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Why Do BA's European B767s Still Have Cloth Seats?  
User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1236 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6659 times:

Is there any reason that the 767's that BA use on its European routes still have cloth seats at the back?

The front half of the Euro Traveller section is leather seats, but why not the back? I know they are getting rid of the 767's but there's still a few years to go and they are just so ugly and old!

Could they not have refitted them when they refitted the Airbus and 757's with the new Euro Traveller seats?

Any thoughts appreciated.

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User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6654 times:

I loved the cloth seats on the 757's before the leather ones came in. Much more comfy  Smile

User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3966 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6529 times:

I wonder the same... maybe they were just in a better shape than the cloth covers?

User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6460 times:

Don't they still have cloth seats on their 747 and 777's?

I'm sure when I flew NCE-LHR about 2 years ago the BA 767 had blue leather seats.  Confused


User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4053 posts, RR: 33
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6422 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 3):
I'm sure when I flew NCE-LHR about 2 years ago the BA 767 had blue leather seats.

The front two cabins have convertible leather seats. The rear cabin has cloth seats.

Its about time BA decided what is going to happen to the shorthaul B767. They really need a new PES/PSS system. The videos are old, the multiplex system is antique, the video screens are out of the ark, the call bells and reading lights are always failing. The whole lot needs replacing.
BA has ordered B787 to replace the longhaul B767, what is going to happen to the 7 shorthaul aircraft?


User currently offlineFlyglobal From Germany, joined Mar 2008, 596 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6310 times:



Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 4):
BA has ordered B787 to replace the long haul B767, what is going to happen to the 7 shorthaul aircraft?

The same what happened to LH's A306: they will be retired and changed to A321's. It may not fit to akll routes, but BA is claiming missing passengers anyhow.

Someone knows about the load factors on those B767 short haul routes?
Due to utilization, they may not be always on over busy routes anyhow.

regards

Flyglobal


User currently offlineSirThomas From UK - England, joined Jul 2009, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6260 times:

I went on a 767 last week and they still had the old cloth seats.. very tatty looking now... what routes do they serve with the 767's now? I thought when I got on it they should have been phased out by now  Smile

Anyone know if they still run the 757's? I hav'nt been on one for ages if they do  Smile

Tom



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User currently offlineSpeedbirdie From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 918 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6179 times:



Quoting SirThomas (Reply 6):
what routes do they serve with the 767's now?

Well where do we start? IST/DME/ATH/NCE/LCA/ARN.. Um what else have I missed out from the shorthaul network? Starting up the FRA on them for Winter I believe but what else have I missed out? I haven't been on one for 104 days and counting!

Quoting SirThomas (Reply 6):
Anyone know if they still run the 757's?

Sure do. I have been living on them this past week. Vile aeropleanes!



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User currently offlineSirThomas From UK - England, joined Jul 2009, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6175 times:

Thankyou kindly Birdie!  Smile

Tom



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User currently offlineLetsgetwet From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6154 times:

Cloth is much more comfortable, than leather. Especially when your butt has to be in them for hours on end. You'll never see leather in the cockpit or bus drivers seats.

User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4053 posts, RR: 33
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5940 times:



Quoting SirThomas (Reply 6):
Anyone know if they still run the 757's? I hav'nt been on one for ages if they do

yes but they will all go by Mar 2010.


User currently offlineTiktokjake From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5647 times:

My sister is crew for BA and gladly explained why! BA only have leather seats due to the need to convert the seats into Club Europe. On the 767 there is a firm divide between where CE ( completely full ) ends, and where the Economy rows start! On an A319/20/21, B 757 - there is just a moveable class divider, therefore just starting cloth seats on row X would look cheap and tacky!

If you look carefully on the BA website, on CE passengers are guaranteed leather seats, therefore can be sold as another advantage of CE!!  Smile

Hope it helps.


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13241 posts, RR: 77
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5012 times:

Not it would seem good marketing either, given the slang connotations of 'touching cloth' at least for the British!

User currently offline1peter From Netherlands, joined Jul 2005, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4287 times:



Quoting Speedbirdie (Reply 7):

Quoting SirThomas (Reply 6):
what routes do they serve with the 767's now?

Well where do we start? IST/DME/ATH/NCE/LCA/ARN.. Um what else have I missed out from the shorthaul network?

Winter 09 will include the following..........ARN, ATH, BUD, DME, FCO, FRA, GVA, IST and LCA.



Airlines flown; AA, AC, AY, BA, BD, BY, CX, DA, DP, IB, KL, LH, LA, LP, MA & MH
User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4165 times:



Quoting Flyglobal (Reply 5):
The same what happened to LH's A306: they will be retired and changed to A321's

Does the A321 have the range to do LCA comfortably?

Also the BA seats are 'pleather' (plastic leather) not leather. That's what I've been lead to believe. I could be wrong. Anyone know?


User currently offlineSunshine79 From UK - England, joined Jan 2006, 1760 posts, RR: 30
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3725 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 14):
Does the A321 have the range to do LCA comfortably?

Yes, loads of airlines send A321's to Cyprus regularly.



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User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4053 posts, RR: 33
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3633 times:



Quoting Flyglobal (Reply 5):
The same what happened to LH's A306: they will be retired and changed to A321'

Yes agreed, but some of the B767 routes are there mainly for the cargo. This is true of ARN. If the fwd hold wasn't full of pallets every day, it would have been an Airbus long ago. Every year the OPS planners downgrade it to an A320, then BA Cargo makes a case, and the B767 on BA780/1 continues for another season. It would never be a B767 for the pax loads.
But BA operates an A300 freighter once a week ARN LON so I suppose they could add to that.
I could also see the Moscow and Istanbul going to Longhaul B787.
But what bugs me is there is no decision, and the B767 soldier on.


User currently offlineTheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3133 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 14):
Does the A321 have the range to do LCA comfortably?

Yes they do, very easily. They are already being used on longer routes with no problem such as LHR-AMM and also LHR-CAI. MEA also uses them between LHR and Beirut. The A320 series has long legs if it needs to!


User currently offlineEdina From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 746 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3050 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 14):
Also the BA seats are 'pleather' (plastic leather) not leather.

They're definitely leather - airlines put leather seatcovers in because in the long run it's quite a bit cheaper than constantly changing fabric covers. They are more durable & easier to clean - in most cases a wipe wil suffice.



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User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4053 posts, RR: 33
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2993 times:



Quoting Edina (Reply 18):
airlines put leather seatcovers in because in the long run it's quite a bit cheaper than constantly changing fabric covers. They are more durable & easier to clean - in most cases a wipe wil suffice.

Agreed. We were forever changing cloth seat covers on turnrounds due spillages. I have never had to change a leather cover.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25871 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2522 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 3):
Don't they still have cloth seats on their 747 and 777's?

Yes, very few airlines use leather seats on their longhaul fleets, and those that do are airlines I avoid flying (e.g. DL). SQ uses leather in their new business class seats on the A380 and 77W but that's much higher quality leather than what you typically see on other airlines which is only chosen because it's cheaper in the long run, not because passengers prefer it.

Quoting Letsgetwet (Reply 9):
Cloth is much more comfortable, than leather. Especially when your butt has to be in them for hours on end. You'll never see leather in the cockpit or bus drivers seats.

Totally agree.


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