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User currently offlineGlobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 928 posts, RR: 3
Posted (4 years 12 months 19 hours ago) and read 6022 times:

Greetings. I was wondering if anyone knows who will service AS in ATL when they start the new ATL service? Will they have a counter in the North Terminal and operate out of the common use gates on the "D" concourse or will DL handle them due to their new marketing arrangement?


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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 12 months 16 hours ago) and read 5766 times:



Quoting Globalflyer (Thread starter):
or will DL handle them due to their new marketing

I would speculate the later based on the new code-share announcement and press release of last week. http://www.alaskasworld.com/newsroom...s/asstories/as_20040916_095057.asp

I searched the AS URL and the ATL airport URL ATL/contact_information.aspx" target=_blank>http://www.atlanta-airport.com/Airport/ATL/contact_information.aspx and didn't find much I was quite surprise with service scheduled to begin in less than a month, October 23

If all else fails you can contact ATL



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 12 months 16 hours ago) and read 5729 times:

Wikipedia (that paragon of truth  sarcastic  ) says that AS will operate out of D. I would venture to guess that this could be the case since it only is one flight a day. I would also think that AS will utilize DAL Global Services to handle their operations and perhaps only have a single employee in Atlanta. Other than flights on E, DL typically doesn't handle non-DL flights and those flights are handled by a third party handling company like DAL Global or ASIG. When Hooters Air was around, DL initially handled their flights over on B, but eventually, their flights moved to D and were handled by DAL Global Services.

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 1):

I would speculate the later based on the new code-share announcement and press release of last week. http://www.alaskasworld.com/newsroom...7.asp

That press release is from 9/16/2004.

There's no mention on the ATL website of where AS will operate or what terminal they will use.


User currently offlineThreeifbyair From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 676 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 12 months 10 hours ago) and read 5469 times:

At the only other DL+NW hub AS serves, MSP, AS uses a gate from AA on Concourse E (E16 IIRC). No idea if that is indicative of what ATL will be, but I think it does make some sense and it isn't any more difficult to connect to AS from a NW flight than between 2 NW flights. You just keep...on...walking...

Not sure who handles AS at some of the other small outstations, but at DCA, AS uses a CO gate.


User currently offlineLono From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1335 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 12 months 8 hours ago) and read 5337 times:

why would DL service AS .... a direct competitor ...???
Just a thought....



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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10427 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (4 years 12 months 8 hours ago) and read 5228 times:



Quoting Lono (Reply 4):
why would DL service AS .... a direct competitor ...???
Just a thought....

Not just a direct competitor, but also a code share partner. It might be one of those deals where at some other common station, AS handles DL and this is just a recipracol (SP?) agreement.



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 12 months 8 hours ago) and read 5124 times:



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 2):
Wikipedia (that paragon of truth ) says that AS will operate out of D.

Wiki may be correct again! I got curious, F9 offers one daily round-trip DEN-ATL-DEN and uses D5 & D7. AS will fly SEA-ATL-SEA also once daily, so why wouldn't they be assigned concourse D.

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 2):
That press release is from 9/16/2004

My bad, I cued in on the 9/16 date and completely overlooked the year thinking it was released a few days ago. Haste makes waste!

I'm surprised ATL doesn't populate the concourse maps on their URL showing which airlines fly out of which concourses/terminals. I saw the hometown airline including DL Connection mentioned on a couple of the maps but no other airlines. LAX for example labels which airlines are on which concourse.



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User currently offlineCatIII From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3031 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (4 years 12 months 7 hours ago) and read 4863 times:



Quoting Lono (Reply 4):
why would DL service AS .... a direct competitor ...???
Just a thought....

A "direct competitor" with whom they have entered into an expansive marketing alliance that builds upon the code share agreement they have. Makes sense they would handle them in ATL.


User currently offlineHatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (4 years 12 months 7 hours ago) and read 4831 times:



Quoting Lono (Reply 4):
why would DL service AS .... a direct competitor ...???
Just a thought....

DGS ground handles us at a lot of airports. The reason we got this slot for ATL service was because DL dropped it. We are pretty much filling in the gap that DL left when they gave up that slot. If I remember correctly, it was almost a mutual agreement.

When I go back into work on Monday I'll find out who is ground handling us in ATL.


User currently offline7673mech From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 729 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 12 months 5 hours ago) and read 4435 times:
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Quoting Lono (Reply 4):
why would DL service AS .... a direct competitor ...???
Just a thought....

$$$
Same reason they have an extensive maintenance agreement with Hawaiian - even though they compete on several routes.
Revenue from something other then operating the aircraft.


User currently offlineFlyPBA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3287 times:

IIRC ... Delta asked Alaska to run this route to fit a hole in their ATL-SEA service schedule.

AS and DL are not really competitors but rather allies these days (or at least friends)


User currently offlineLuckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3251 times:

One thing I should point out here -- ATL is not slot controlled. Delta still flies to SEA several times daily from ATL. Is this timeslot (early evening) not profitable at Delta's cost structure?

User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11637 posts, RR: 61
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3115 times:



Quoting FlyPBA (Reply 10):
IIRC ... Delta asked Alaska to run this route to fit a hole in their ATL-SEA service schedule.

I doubt that, as I believe - correct if wrong - that Delta discussing or "asking" such things would be explicitly illegal under antitrust statue and precedent. Delta and Alaska do not have antitrust immunity, and thus are not permitted to discuss and/or coordinate schedules, fares, etc.

Quoting FlyPBA (Reply 10):
AS and DL are not really competitors but rather allies these days (or at least friends)

They are most definitely still competitors.

They cooperate in a range of areas, including marketing, frequent flyer miles, and network access (via extensive codesharing), but they still - ultimately - compete, as they do not have antitrust immunity.


User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5237 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2809 times:

I just went to Alaskaair.com. The ticket counter will be in Terminal South, and AS will be using gates D13 and D14.

User currently offlineFlyPBA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2750 times:



Quoting Commavia (Reply 12):
I doubt that, as I believe - correct if wrong - that Delta discussing or "asking" such things would be explicitly illegal under antitrust statue and precedent. Delta and Alaska do not have antitrust immunity, and thus are not permitted to discuss and/or coordinate schedules, fares, etc.

what? You have a serious lack of understanding as to what Antitrust is ... there is nothing illegal about one airline asking another airline to run a flight during a specific time of day.


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11637 posts, RR: 61
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2705 times:



Quoting FlyPBA (Reply 14):
there is nothing illegal about one airline asking another airline to run a flight during a specific time of day.

Yes there is.

It is illegal for two airlines without antitrust immunity to discuss schedules, and coordinating said schedules. One airline asking another to fly at a certain time of day to fill a specific gap in that airline's schedule would constitute a violation.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13602 posts, RR: 61
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2688 times:
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Quoting Commavia (Reply 12):
Quoting FlyPBA (Reply 10):
IIRC ... Delta asked Alaska to run this route to fit a hole in their ATL-SEA service schedule.

I doubt that

While I cannot speak to the point about DL "asking" AS to fly the route, I do know the timing of the flight was specifically tailored to work around a hole in DL's existing ATL-SEA schedule.

The new AS service is intended to both satisfy desire on the part of AS to serve the market while simultaneously complementing DL's presence in the market.



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User currently offlineCokePopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1184 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2685 times:

I believe I read somewhere that the NW employees will be handling them. Something about
them loosing some flights out of ATL and the ground staff would be able to handle AS. So they wouldn't be let go.


User currently offlineFerrydxer From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2580 times:

Interesting could this be part of the thinking as to why FL will keep the ATL service seasonal and just keep the 1x MKE run year round? I would much rather fly FL than the grinning eskimo.


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User currently offlineHatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2494 times:

We have some employees up here doing some ramp training and they are DL employees. So looks like DL will be doing the ground handling.

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