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User currently offlineTristarCrazy From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 321 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8311 times:

Here are some of the latest International Terminal Renderings for those who like to see....

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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22726 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8194 times:

I like these pictures, though I have a dumb question about this terminal. Obviously, international carrier checkin will be there. But what about DL international checkin? Will passengers have to check in at the existing terminal, have to check in at the new terminal, or have the option of doing either?


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User currently offlineTWAL1011727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 622 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8099 times:

Kinda reminds me of TWAs Int'l terminal at JFK with the sloping ceilings and outside wavy flair.

KD


User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8030 times:

Of course they have to include the fountain at Centennial Park.


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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11612 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7978 times:

That is hideous, gimmicky, and so 1990s. I like the use of vegetation, but the appearance inside just looks fragmented and lost - like it's a series of rectified afterthoughts not a new design. Outside is better, but not by much.


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User currently offlineLDVAviation From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 1048 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7941 times:



Quoting TWAL1011727 (Reply 2):
Kinda reminds me of TWAs Int'l terminal at JFK with the sloping ceilings and outside wavy flair.

KD

The TWA terminal was an organic design, meant quite literally to resemble a bird.

The arch here is purely decorative. Take the arch away from the design for this terminal and all you have is a bland, two-story, surburban office block.


User currently offlineNeedmolegroom From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7920 times:

Would it be too much to hope that those who make the decisions, have got over their 'kiddie art' fixation which is such a nauseous feature of the current terminal.
No need to travel the world looking at all the new airports, just buy a copy of Architectural Digest for some inspiration.



needmolegroom
User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1523 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7895 times:

Not too bad. The outside is slightly bland, but the arch makes it a little better. Also, is that an aquarium in the second picture? It would be pretty cool to incorporate something like that into the terminal, being that ATL is home to the world's largest. Don't know how practical it would be but it's a neat thought.

User currently offlineLDVAviation From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 1048 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7868 times:



Quoting Needmolegroom (Reply 6):

They did look at Architectural Digest or their version of it.

In that first pic, the wall of glass bisected by a white-paneled walkway is a direct ripoff of a design element of the Atlanta High Museum, designed by Richard Meir.

At to the 'kiddie art," you couldn't be more right.


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7757 times:



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 4):
That is hideous, gimmicky, and so 1990s. I like the use of vegetation, but the appearance inside just looks fragmented and lost - like it's a series of rectified afterthoughts not a new design. Outside is better, but not by much.



Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 5):

The arch here is purely decorative. Take the arch away from the design for this terminal and all you have is a bland, two-story, surburban office block.

It still looks 100 times better than the main terminal building and the concourses (Although Concourse E is definitely a step up from the rest of the facility.). While the interiors have been refreshed, the exteriors still look dated and dreary and despite the interior refresh, it still is a bit dark and dreary because of the limited windows in many gate areas.


User currently offlineCF6PPE From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 346 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7605 times:

For those of us that don't get a fuzzy, please indicate where the buildings that include the International Terminal Renderings (see original post) are located in relation to the existing Terminals - i.e., original International Concourse T and Concourses A, B, C, D and the current International Concourse E.

I believe that I and others are a little confused.

Thank you in advance....  Smile


User currently offlineTristarcrazy From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7584 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 1):
I like these pictures, though I have a dumb question about this terminal. Obviously, international carrier checkin will be there. But what about DL international checkin? Will passengers have to check in at the existing terminal, have to check in at the new terminal, or have the option of doing either?

Yes, DL will have international check-in int the new terminal. The 5th photo shows check-in DL counters like the new ones at the south terminal but don't know if all the int'l check-in will move. It's going to be very confusing since this terminal is on the other side of the airport from the current terminal....not sure how they plan to work that out.

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 7):
Also, is that an aquarium in the second picture?

Yes it is but not sure it that made it through the last round of budget cuts

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 9):
It still looks 100 times better than the main terminal building and the concourses (Although Concourse E is definitely a step up from the rest of the facility.). While the interiors have been refreshed, the exteriors still look dated and dreary and despite the interior refresh, it still is a bit dark and dreary because of the limited windows in many gate areas.

It is an improvement but it's very boring. Hoping the real thing will look better. And you are correct, the concourses need more windows!! But that would also mean an increase in the HVAC, power, etc. The latest face lift was a big improvement....got rid of that nasty looking carpet.



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7036 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7540 times:

Are those real fish...or pictures of fish? It will cost a ton to care for real fish on that scale. Perhaps that is what DL is peeved about.

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22726 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7529 times:



Quoting Tristarcrazy (Reply 11):
It's going to be very confusing since this terminal is on the other side of the airport from the current terminal....not sure how they plan to work that out.

 checkmark That's why I wonder whether the most sensible solution would be to permit checkin either place. That's what UA does with its two departure terminals at ORD, though passengers checking bags must check in at Terminal 1.

At DFW, must AA passengers check in at their departure terminal? I've never tried anything else.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineTristarcrazy From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7454 times:

They first planed to move all DL int'l check in to the new but then realized that was a mistake. There will be check-in, domestic and int'l, at both but the hope is after time they can have it at either only. I think that day will never come. The biggest confusion will be driving around as there is no simple way and have not heard of any road improvements (other than signage and Aviation Blvd) to drive around.

Also, confusion for other international carriers like LH, only one daily flight and if they move, getting Atlantan's trained to the new terminal. If they went to the old terminal, they would be able to ride the train, but that or driving around will take time.

Should be a lot of fun!!

Heck I hope to use the new terminal for domestic check-in. You know it will not be very crowded!!



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6921 times:



Quoting CF6PPE (Reply 10):
For those of us that don't get a fuzzy, please indicate where the buildings that include the International Terminal Renderings (see original post) are located in relation to the existing Terminals - i.e., original International Concourse T and Concourses A, B, C, D and the current International Concourse E.

This is being built to the east of Concourse E.
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=3...8516&spn=0.008736,0.01929&t=h&z=16

Quoting Enilria (Reply 12):
Are those real fish...or pictures of fish? It will cost a ton to care for real fish on that scale. Perhaps that is what DL is peeved about.

It's a panoramic photo of the main tank at the Georgia Aquarium.

What DL is peeved about is the cost overruns and delays and the efforts by the airport to get DL to contribute additional money to the project above what they had previously pledged.


User currently offlineJosh32121 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6819 times:

Has anyone seen or have access to a floorplan of the new terminal? I can an outline of the foundation wall in the Google maps, but I haven't seen any indication where the actual aircraft parking areas will be. If it follows the foundation wall, it appears to be deviating from the typical "bar" concourses in T-E concourses. Also, I'm curious how the intra-airport train will be integrated into the new facility.

My bad...I just found a PDF on the airport website with a site plan that I had not seen the last time I checked a couple of weeks ago:

http://www.atlanta-airport.com/forms/airport/pdf/20090729_MHJIT.pdf

[Edited 2009-09-29 13:14:17]

User currently offlineCF6PPE From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 346 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6813 times:



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 15):
Quoting CF6PPE (Reply 10):
For those of us that don't get a fuzzy, please indicate where the buildings that include the International Terminal Renderings (see original post) are located in relation to the existing Terminals - i.e., original International Concourse T and Concourses A, B, C, D and the current International Concourse E.

This is being built to the east of Concourse E.
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=3...&z=16

Thank you... I was confused from the description...of having two drop of areas... anyway...

From the referenced Google Map, it looks as if the Delta base and the cargo areas are being encroached upon, i.e., the open areas east Concourse E are vanishing.... who would have thought that when the original mid-field terminal came to fruition about 25 years ago....

Are there known plans where the next concourse expansion will go after the newest international terminal is completed...??

Again, thank you for the clarification...  Smile


User currently offlineDeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6794 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 13):
At DFW, must AA passengers check in at their departure terminal? I've never tried anything else.

No, you can check in at any terminal. I do it all the time, and I've done it for Intl travel also.


User currently offlineJosh32121 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6737 times:



Quoting CF6PPE (Reply 17):
Are there known plans where the next concourse expansion will go after the newest international terminal is completed...??

The South Gate Complex is the next passenger terminal expansion that's been proposed. It will go here: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=3...789&spn=0.013025,0.019248&t=h&z=16

Based on the Google Maps picture, I think they've already started site prep unless someone knows otherwise. If you look at the very last page of the PDF I posted above, the background graphic shows what appear to be two additional "bar" concourses in that space. I had seen previous renderings of the South Gate Complex with a substantially different layout, so I'm not sure if the design has changed or if that background graphic in the PDF presentation is not accurate. The airport website says it should be completed by 2015, and it has been rumored on these forums that AirTran would occupy this facility.


User currently offlineElBandGeek From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6727 times:



Quoting CF6PPE (Reply 17):
Are there known plans where the next concourse expansion will go after the newest international terminal is completed...??

I believe the plan is for a smaller, separate south terminal to be built between 27L/9R and 28/10, and that it will be most likely be exclusive for FL (or possibly, all non-skyteam carriers)


User currently offlineAAflyguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 358 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6701 times:

It's disappointing that most of the talk is about what the terminal "should" look like than the fact that it's functional, open and airy, and meets the intended needs. It's basically a "No Win" situation for ATL. If it selected a more grand and, therefore, more expensive facility, it would please the armchair Airport Designers of the A.net forum, but piss off and be publicly persecuted by DL. So, concessions have been made to scale things back in attempts to appease the hometown carrier, one of the prime culprits behind why the building wasn't constructed sooner in the first place. I continue to believe that, even though it was known this move could cost the City of Atlanta millions of dollars in being sued by the original architect, the main reason the project was halted when it was is because of the uncertainty of DL's future. If that massive structure had been built and DL had either gone belly up or significantly downsized its international network, all of a sudden there'd be a facility for which there is no need and which carries a significant annual debt service and an Airport which may have struggled to cover those costs, quickly losing its edge as a low-cost airport. If the costs were simply passed on to the tenants (primarily airlines), they would balk at using the facility, and concessionaires wouldn't want to be in a building that doesn't have the necessary foot traffic to generate sales.

Whether a showplace or not, ATL has never looked better. I think great things have been done to the existing facility from the terminal to the concourses, and to get as much use as the facility does with over 90 million annual passengers, hats off. The security screening capacity has been greatly increased with the new North & South checkpoints, the concessions program is undergoing a complete overhaul, the concourses have been renovated nearly top-to-bottom as have the main terminal and transportation mall and all restrooms, there's a new Consolidated Rental Car Center with dedicated people-mover opening in a few weeks, and a long-awaited over 1M square foot East Terminal is well underway with an extension of the existing people mover system incorporated into its structure. It's about as effiicient as you can get with such a massive transportation facility as it is. I would argue that virtually no other airport can compare to ATL's efficiency taking into consideration its mass and high-volume of use.

Dark and dreary exterior? Because of the use of tan and reddish orange as the primary colors? Have you ever been to DEN and seen the clearly dirty white exterior of those concourses? Or, UA's facility @ ORD, for that matter? And, there are so many others which would fit that bill long before ATL. I actually think ATL's colors, while not necessarily attractive, do a good job of masking the general condition produced by the elements of a just turned 29 year old facility. And, the design was done with the highest functionality in mind, hence, where there are no windows, there typically is tenant leased space and food & beverage or retail concessions, all of which produce revenue. Not much waste of space in those concourses, and 95% of the holdrooms do have windows.

Lastly, as for the image of kids at the Centennial Park Fountain and the image of the aquarium along what looks to be a sterile international arrivals corridor, it's called creating a sense of place. There will likely be other elements incorporated also in such a large building with vast public spaces, and perhaps even changes to the final product over what is shown here. They are, afterall, simply renderings, which often carry the caveat of not being meant to reflect exactly what is ultimately built.

Let's just wait and see. It doesn't open for another 28-months or so. I, for one, am glad to see it steadily coming along. Maybe I'm alone there.

AAflyguy


User currently offlineJetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3251 posts, RR: 35
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6551 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 13):
checkmark That's why I wonder whether the most sensible solution would be to permit checkin either place. That's what UA does with its two departure terminals at ORD, though passengers checking bags must check in at Terminal 1.

Check-in will be allowed at either terminal. The thing that will limit people from overburdening this new building is the lack of affordable parking. That will regulate usage. At the end of the day, the entire arrangement is a compromise required by the agreement that saw the 5th runway built. No one involved with the airport or Delta wanted a new, separate check-in facility. Political accommodations had to be made, however.

Quoting AAflyguy (Reply 21):
Let's just wait and see. It doesn't open for another 28-months or so. I, for one, am glad to see it steadily coming along. Maybe I'm alone there.

You are not alone. Your entire post is spot-on. At the end of the day, ATL is the most efficient piece of aviation infrastructure in the world, by a wide margin. A building that was designed to handle 60 million people at maximum capacity is now handling 90 million. At the same time, as you say, it has never looked better. It's no Taj Mahal and there are certainly things we'd all like to change, but the way it WORKS is unmatched. The "cheapness" that is sometimes rightfully blamed on Delta has ensured that the facility is the most cost-effective major hub on Earth and led it to the position it has held for a decade as the "World's Busiest".


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22726 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6436 times:



Quoting Jetlanta (Reply 22):
No one involved with the airport or Delta wanted a new, separate check-in facility. Political accommodations had to be made, however.

There's something to be said for being able to depart from and arrive at the same terminal. Those who are used to something else (e.g. DFW) usually don't mind, but ATL passengers are not. It won't cost DL any more, will it? I assume staffing needs won't change, and - hopefully - it will make moving international checked bags easier in that they are closer to their airplanes.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21521 posts, RR: 55
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6411 times:



Quoting AAflyguy (Reply 21):
It's disappointing that most of the talk is about what the terminal "should" look like than the fact that it's functional, open and airy, and meets the intended needs.

Well, the OP did contain pictures. If one wanted comments on the functional nature of the terminal, and how it meets the intended needs, then it would be better to stick with statistics on how many pax it can handle per hour, how many gates it will have, etc.

Pictures were posted, so it's perfectly legit to comment on how the terminal looks. Myself, I like the inside, but that facade at the front (particularly the arch) just looks like an afterthought.

-Mir



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25 Pellegrine : It looks alright...adequate. I won't pick, everyone is doing that already. Yes, one should know the grandiosity of such public use architecture is a f
26 Antoniemey : I wonder if they're going to run a tunnel under the runways/taxiways to connect with the one running between the rest of the terminals...
27 AAflyguy : Mir, points well taken. The arch, to me, simply appears to be a continuation of the ticketing hall's design of soft and wavy lines both in the roof an
28 DeltaL1011man : To me it looks kinda like Philips Area(as in it looks like the same basic idea)
29 Post contains links Josh32121 : I think that's the plan. Look at the very last page of this PDF (which is the background graphic on the other pages): http://www.atlanta-airport.com/
30 Lexy : Well, compared to what they have already I think the new terminal looks fine. Considering the current terminal buildings look like they belong in an i
31 Blueman87 : good luck delta to there New Terminal in ATL now get to Work at JFK Jk about JFK althought they do need it.
32 1337Delta764 : Once this new terminal opens, I wonder if a new voice on the automated people mover will be introduced. A new annoucement for the new terminal will be
33 LDVAviation : Atlanta doesn't have many examples of great architecture, so that wouldn't take much.
34 GayStudPilot : What about the redneck voice, "Cahw Shan. Doors doo not ree bound or spreeng back." I think they replaced it around the time of the '96 Olympics.
35 1337Delta764 : No, I don't think so. The "Doors Closing" messages at the stations still use the 1996-2002 male voice. Also, in Concourse E, there is a "Welcome to A
36 AAflyguy : I would think that the APM station for the East Terminal will serve both the post-security departure level boarding gates as well as provide a direct
37 GayStudPilot : Exactly to my point. The redneck voice was replaced prior to the 1996 Olympics.
38 Sflaflight : ..but what about the screeners? Oh my... you know you're in Atlanta when.... Absolutely. But eventhough ATL is one terminal, it sure doesn't seem lik
39 1337Delta764 : With the increase of space for international flights and passengers, I don't see why would they bring that voice back. If you have ever noticed, most
40 GayStudPilot : I wasn't asking that they bring it back. It was a disgrace to any city or operation trying to become more "international."
41 Jetlanta : I won't comment on the general "customer service" orientation of ATL screeners, BUT they do get you through fast. The days of long lines and long wai
42 DCA-ROCguy : Thanks to the OP and all for a very interesting thread, including the ATL official document linked by Josh32121 in reply 16. Good for Atlanta, getting
43 Jetlanta : Clayton County. The airport is in two counties. The current terminal, and most hotels, car rental agencies, etc...are in Fulton. Along with that goes
44 DeltaL1011man : Tho it would be nice if they would add a little more man power at the peak times. The good news for them is if/when they add a 6th runway(which IMO w
45 NorCal : I thought part of the agreement for getting the 5th runway was that they couldn't get a 6th one?
46 Jetlanta : It is. Never say never in politics, though. Actually, the carriers are pushing the idea of building #6 in the space the the new south terminal comple
47 NorCal : I would guess that DL would be behind that effort it seems like the south gate project would benefit FL the most or possibly allow space for WN to co
48 Srbmod : Actually, the only parts of the airport property that are not in Clayton County are North Cargo, Atlantic Aviation, ASA's HQ/hangar, FL's hangar, CON
49 FUN2FLY : We all have our opinion on what looks good or not, that's fine. What I'm astounded with is the amount of $ spent on excess in terminals. All terminals
50 Atlwest1 : Fun2fly it boils down to being competitive. As long as one city one ups another you will continue to see new terminals being grander and grander thoug
51 Cubsrule : I disagree. With whom is/was JAX or IND competing? People - including those who make decisions about the architects to hire for airport renovations -
52 Jetlanta : I knew it was something like that. LOL IIRC Clayton was concerned that it didn't benefit from the off-airport support facilities like hotels and such
53 Srbmod : They're definitely hoping to see some additional airport-related development as the result of the new International terminal. Unfortunately they won'
54 Jet-lagged : The forth picture reminds be of Hong Kong after immigration.
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