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Australian Aviation Thread 31  
User currently offlineAllrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 1869 posts, RR: 4
Posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 23850 times:

Welcome to Thread 31!

In Thread 30 (thanks QF175!) we discussed:

* QF's aircraft delivery and retirement schedule
* The arrival of QF's 4th A380
* Virgin Blues/V Australia's profit results
* QF's Trans-Tasman use of 738's
* New Qantas tv advert
* V Australia's new routes - can they be profitable?
* JQ wants to fly SYD-NAN
* Airnorth add services DRW/ISA/OOL
* SQ A380 to MEL
* A TT aircraft has a bird strike
* QF 767's and their interior fitouts
* How the 787's will be split between JQ and QF
* Y+ in business on AKL-LAX, BNE-LAX on QF
* QF's MAN service and other old destinations
* What aircraft should be added to the Qantas Heritage Museum?
* Qantas's trans-tasman fleet naming after NZ
* What happens to the additional A332's joining JQ?
* JL cancels BNE-NRT in 2010. State of Australian - Japan flights
* The dust storm
* Smartgate introduced at SYD.

Now let the discussions continue!


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User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 23747 times:

Who is operating for Indojet now? If Skywest is only operating weekends, that will not be too many extra seats. Phuket is interesting - too far for non stop from PER in an A320. They could do Pacific Blue original plan of flying DPS-HKT. Or is there a suitable port in North West Australia that could be used as a refuelling stop - perhaps Broome to Phuket?

User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 23579 times:



Quoting Allrite (Thread starter):
Airnorth add services DRW/ISA/OOL

Does anyone know how the loads are looking for the first few flights so far? I know they havent started but its just over a week away.


User currently offlineJbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 23423 times:

Since we touched on it at the end of thread 30:

Smartgate: http://www.customs.gov.au/site/page.cfm?u=5552

Aussies & Kiwis only with ePassports for now.

ePassport: http://www.dfat.gov.au/dept/passports/


User currently offlineAllrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 1869 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 23372 times:

According to Matt Sullivan in the SMH Jetstar's 7th A332 will be used to boost flights to Bali, Phuket and Hawaii. Passengers numbers up but Qantas still set for bumpy flight.


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User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 940 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 23234 times:



Quoting Allrite (Reply 4):
According to Matt Sullivan in the SMH Jetstar's 7th A332 will be used to boost flights to Bali, Phuket and Hawaii.

yes this is right!
SYD-DPS x 4 going to daily
MEL-DPS x 2 going to 3 times weekly
SYD-HKT x 3 going to 5 times weekly
SYD-HNL x 4 going to 5 times weekly

also..
I was in MEL today and got the pleasure of seeing both the QF A380 and the SQ A380 Big grin

also..
Who had the hydrolic problem going into MEL on tuesday 29/9/09 in the morning at about 0700?



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User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 23223 times:

Any pictures of the new 737 interior?


Qantas, Still calling Australia Home.........
User currently offlineSmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1488 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 23194 times:



Quoting JQflightie (Reply 5):
yes this is right!
SYD-DPS x 4 going to daily
MEL-DPS x 2 going to 3 times weekly
SYD-HKT x 3 going to 5 times weekly
SYD-HNL x 4 going to 5 times weekly

Good to see, just wished we had seen some more increases out of MEL, maybe BKK will be next? I hope that the European flights when they start will hopefully originate in MEL.
There was another forum I was viewing the other day, I can't find it now which listed some interesting increases in MEL over the summer;
From what I recall:
VN going from 3 weekly to 4
CA going from ? to 5 weekly
NF going to 2 weekly
The site also mentioned a rumour that CI would introduce TPE flights from mid-next year...
Does anyone have the exact increases at all or any idea what forum I may have viewed this on I think it was one that seemed dedicated to Melbourne Airport?


User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2807 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 23009 times:



Quoting JQflightie (Reply 5):

SYD-DPS x 4 going to daily
MEL-DPS x 2 going to 3 times weekly
SYD-HKT x 3 going to 5 times weekly
SYD-HNL x 4 going to 5 times weekly

Interesting. I imagine all of these are only peak period additions to the schedule and will be reduced once school holidays end in February? Or will QF permanently reduce SYD-HNL services now that they are retiring Dreamtime 763's and hand more of it to JQ? JQ will need spare A332 capacity mid year to start CNS-KIX as well unless they are going to push that back to the end of next year when the leased A332's start arriving?

Quoting Smi0006 (Reply 7):
Good to see, just wished we had seen some more increases out of MEL, maybe BKK will be next? I hope that the European flights when they start will hopefully originate in MEL.

Even though the JQ hub is in SIN, I'd love to see MEL-BKK-ATH as an extension of the current flights. But you are quite right. QF group needs to start increasing international services out of MEL or they will risk being squeezed out of potential growth markets and confined basically to New Zealand, LAX, SIN and HKG on mainline and BKK, DPS and CHC on JQ.

On a side note, has there been any movement on QF taking up BNE-NRT now that JL is dropping it?


User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 659 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 22979 times:



Quoting Sydscott (Reply 8):
Interesting. I imagine all of these are only peak period additions to the schedule and will be reduced once school holidays end in February? Or will QF permanently reduce SYD-HNL services now that they are retiring Dreamtime 763's and hand more of it to JQ? JQ will need spare A332 capacity mid year to start CNS-KIX as well unless they are going to push that back to the end of next year when the leased A332's start arriving?

CNS-KIX isn't expected to commence until at least APR10 pending further discussions.

QF 332 VH-EBK is due to transfer to JQ upon delivery of VH-EBM.

Interesting to note that the new Qantas domestic A330-200s will be delivered with PTVs in Economy creating greater product variation.

Cheers


User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 659 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 22982 times:



Quoting Sydscott (Reply 8):
QF group needs to start increasing international services out of MEL or they will risk being squeezed out of potential growth markets and confined basically to New Zealand, LAX, SIN and HKG on mainline and BKK, DPS and CHC on JQ.

Same can be said regarding Brisbane - QF Group have an impressive and extensive domestic network, however internationally, it needs some work.


User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 659 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 22972 times:

QantasLink will reduce PER-AYQ-PER to 4x weekly 30OCT-22MAR. Day 1/3/5 services have been suspended.

Cheers


User currently offlineSmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1488 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 22957 times:



Quoting QF175 (Reply 9):
Interesting to note that the new Qantas domestic A330-200s will be delivered with PTVs in Economy creating greater product variation.

So the new A332 will be delivered in domestic configuration then??
Not a huge product difference aren't many of the current PER-SYD and PER-MEL on the A333 with PTVs anyway?
Also I think there is a plan for all new 738s to be delivered with PTVs and I would Imagine they will eventually refitt a proportion of the curent ones at some point along with the other solo A332 that doesnt have them.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 8):
QF group needs to start increasing international services out of MEL or they will risk being squeezed out of potential growth markets and confined basically to New Zealand, LAX, SIN and HKG on mainline and BKK, DPS and CHC on JQ.

I hope that as the economy improves especially considering Victoria may recover and excede NSW rather soon we will see some more services add as you said to growth regions, there was mention of a second FRA service at some point from MEL with A330s this could be a good model for other routes too, use the A330s a bit more....


User currently offlineDJ748 From Australia, joined Jul 2006, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 22824 times:



Quoting Sydscott (Reply 8):
On a side note, has there been any movement on QF taking up BNE-NRT now that JL is dropping it?

QF used to fly BNE-CNS-NRT, but not sure when they dropped it, but have a feeling it might have been within the last 12 to 18 months or so. Not sure if they would want to resurrect the route using their own metal, even if direct, as it would compete too closely with JQ's OOL-NRT service.


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5552 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 22806 times:



Quoting DJ748 (Reply 13):
QF used to fly BNE-CNS-NRT, but not sure when they dropped it, but have a feeling it might have been within the last 12 to 18 months or so.

QF used to fly SYD-CNS-NRT, BNE was a connection. I flew it SYD-CNS in July 08. I think it ended in Oct/Nov 08, so just about 12 months ago.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineDitzyboy From Australia, joined Feb 2008, 700 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 22788 times:



Quoting Gemuser (Reply 14):
QF used to fly SYD-CNS-NRT, BNE was a connection.

Until recently QF flew both SYD-CNS-NRT and BNE-CNS-NRT. CNS-NRT was double daily with 763s. In the early-mid 90s the routes were SYD-CNS-NGO and BNE-CNS-NRT with 742/3s.


User currently offlineDitzyboy From Australia, joined Feb 2008, 700 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 22759 times:

To expand further the flight numbers were QF167/QF168 for SYD-CNS-NRT and return and QF69/QF60 for BNE-CNS-NRT. These flight operated until Qantas ceased NRT flying. Flights were kept at double daily to keep NRT slots. During the last six months or so it was not uncommon for one of the CNS-NRT-CNS rotations to be cancelled and the flights combined, although that was most certainly ad hoc.

The 747 flights I mentioned survived past 2001, not just during the 90s, as I stated.

Qantas has not operated solely domestic flights between international terminals since the 90s, for sure. Funnily enough Air NZ has recently started to do this on AKL-CHC-AKL once a day. I wonder if a re-think of this strategy would benefit Qantas in some way? It would certainly benefit the customer.


User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 940 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 22748 times:



Quoting Ditzyboy (Reply 16):
Qantas has not operated solely domestic flights between international terminals since the 90s, for sure. Funnily enough Air NZ has recently started to do this on AKL-CHC-AKL once a day. I wonder if a re-think of this strategy would benefit Qantas in some way? It would certainly benefit the customer.

QF still have QF81 SYD-ADL-SIN.
It leaves from SYD Int terminal  Smile



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User currently offlineDitzyboy From Australia, joined Feb 2008, 700 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 22694 times:



Quoting JQflightie (Reply 17):
QF still have QF81 SYD-ADL-SIN.
It leaves from SYD Int terminal

You must have missed my use of the word solely. I was referring to solely domestic flights between international terminals. These flights were used to deliver pax between hubs. Usually SYD-BNE and SYD-MEL though they also operated SYD-BNE and BNE-CNS. Such flights were not a 'tag' of an international flight and originated and terminated in Australia.

For example there was a QF212 BNE-SYD (solely domestic), as opposed to QF143 CNS-SYD-AKL (or the QF81 example given by yourself).


User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 22653 times:



Quoting Ditzyboy (Reply 15):
Quoting Gemuser (Reply 14):
QF used to fly SYD-CNS-NRT, BNE was a connection.

Until recently QF flew both SYD-CNS-NRT and BNE-CNS-NRT. CNS-NRT was double daily with 763s. In the early-mid 90s the routes were SYD-CNS-NGO and BNE-CNS-NRT with 742/3s.

During the early 90s some 744s were rotated through NZ and Japan via Cairns. There was the plane that started the day doing SYD CNS, then onto Nagoya. Return NGO-CNS-SYD, then over to CHC, sometimes with the Japanese menus still in the seat pocket. Return from CHC to SYD and then overnight. So, two planes to do that patter.

There was a similar pattern for AKL-BNE-CNS-NRT and return , five times weekly, and twice weekly CHC-BNE-CNS-NRT, operated by 743. After the plane did the AKL-BNE or CHC-BNE stage, the plane would go down to SYD, but I do not think there would have been many paying passengers to keep the crew company.


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3314 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 22555 times:



Quoting QF175 (Reply 11):
QantasLink will reduce PER-AYQ-PER to 4x weekly 30OCT-22MAR. Day 1/3/5 services have been suspended.

How will this change affect CNS-AYQ?
didn't the PER-AYQ continue up to CNS and CNS to AYQ and onto PER?


User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2807 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 22368 times:



Quoting QF175 (Reply 9):
Interesting to note that the new Qantas domestic A330-200s will be delivered with PTVs in Economy creating greater product variation.

But it will be common with the new trans tasman 738's and all of the rest of the 738's to be delivered. I think this is a taste of the future of QF mainline domestic.

Quoting QF175 (Reply 10):
Same can be said regarding Brisbane - QF Group have an impressive and extensive domestic network, however internationally, it needs some work.

I don't necessarily agree with you on that. In terms of the QF group I think BNE is in a relatively difficult position because their traditional QF traffic is now going to OOL through JQ. While I do think QF will have to eventually link NRT back to BNE and gradually increase HKG service I think New Zealand plus SIN, HKG, LAX and MNL are about all to expect out of QF mainline. Now JQ, on the other hand, would be mad not to serve places like ICN and TPE from Queensland but that doesn't necessarily equal service from BNE anymore. So it'll be interesting to watch what they do.

Quoting Smi0006 (Reply 12):
there was mention of a second FRA service at some point from MEL with A330s this could be a good model for other routes too, use the A330s a bit more....

I doubt we will see additional FRA service. From MEL I can see NRT and PVG returning on mainline but the question is what JQ will do. MEL-BKK-ATH makes sense as a routing since they already have 3 services per week MEL-BKK. That would also allow an increase in MEL-BKK frequency over time. But who knows really!

Quoting Ditzyboy (Reply 15):
SYD-CNS-NGO

I think JQ should try OOL-NGO considering the success they've had with OLL-NRT/KIX.


User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 22368 times:



Quoting Sydscott (Reply 21):

I think JQ should try OOL-NGO considering the success they've had with OLL-NRT/KIX.

But have they had that much success? Wasnt it recently said that OOL-NRT/KIX flights were being routed via CNS to pick up extra passengers as OOL numbers were to low?


User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2807 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 22231 times:



Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 22):
But have they had that much success? Wasnt it recently said that OOL-NRT/KIX flights were being routed via CNS to pick up extra passengers as OOL numbers were to low?

That was because traffic to both ports was down due to the economic crisis and the flu pandemic. So they combined the flights for a while. The NRT sectors are now separate once again and once CNS-KIX re-starts these will be too. I definitely think there is a market for JQ flights to NGO, FUK or Sapporo the latter especially during the Japanese winter given the growing popularity of their snowfields with Aussie travellers.


User currently offlineAllrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 1869 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 22008 times:

According to Flight International Jetstar are getting the HGW A332s, enabling them to fly to Athens and Rome. Jetstar's CEO, Bruce Buchanan, was quoted as saying that they hadn't decided whether the hub would be Singapore, Bangkok or Ho Chi Minh City and whether the flights would be operated by Jetstar, Jetstar Asia or Jetstar Pacific. They are also still deciding whether to open new routes to Europe or fly to other destinations in SE and North Asia.


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25 Post contains links Asiaflyer : Jetstar has opted for the HGW version for the next batch of 5 A330-200, which the carrier signed a lease contract for earlier this year. Delivery will
26 747m8te : Was loving it working at MEL today, 3 A380s were on ground, 2 QF and 1 SQ ...but i was confused...why 2 QF A380s in MEL today???...as QF93 was a 744ER
27 AirbusA322 : No they have not had enormous success. How many times have you seen Japan fares on sale, on a weekly basis now. I would say that Yield would be atrou
28 WithaK : On a Friday QF94 is operated by an A388 while QF93 is operated by a B744. The A388 then heads up to Sydney to operate a flight from there. The second
29 EK413 : QF032 on the 1st of Oct diverted to MEL due to SYD curfew resulting in 2 QF380 in MEL on the 2nd of Oct EK413
30 747m8te : Ah cool, that explains it, thanks for the info, was a great sight to see anyway
31 TN486 : which beggars the question from the uninformed (me!!), anyone know the reason why this flight was in a situ where it would have incurred the wrath of
32 TN486 : were you in a position to get some photos?
33 747m8te : I do, but I was on shift at the time and only had my phone handy so its not a good quality pic...my eyes enjoyed it atleast
34 TruemanQLD : That sounds a little bit of a conspiracy against Jetstar there. They ran KIX flights long before they started at OOL and they have had plenty of chan
35 Post contains links and images TN486 : Source please? or some evidence of your statement. My understanding has been the JQ brand in Japan is very strong, and the only hiccup was the exchan
36 EK413 : Late rotation ex-SIN due to late rotation ex-LHR lol... Anyone care to shed some light why the 2nd B744 is backtracking from 16L-34R... EK413
37 Alangirvan : You can see lots of 748s. One of the finest turboprops to come out of Britain, a real competitor to the Friendship. Operated by the RAAF and the RAN
38 The Coachman : Don't know if this was mentioned but looks like SQ is downgauging SQ219/220 to a 772 from 25 October. Anyone know if this will be a 2-class regional,
39 Post contains links and images TN486 : Here you go Alan, at MEB. Do you have some "soft spot" for this ac. I happened to fly in a HS748 once, vague memory though, not sure where, could hav
40 Alangirvan : 748s were better known in NZ than Australia. In Australia, passenger 748s lost out to Friendships on the Civilian register. There were some 748s opera
41 AirbusA322 : They have also been quietly combining flights of late, as in the aircraft stopping in KIX from NRT before continuing onto OOL. They actually are doin
42 CX777Fan : I'm happy to be proven wrong, but my impression was the opposite; i.e. Jetstar is having difficulty in finding wide appeal in Japan. The Japanese tra
43 Jetfuel : Some circles suggest killing Australian Airlines was a mistake. Japanese people accepted Australian Airlines as name brand and as a QF airline. Jetst
44 Sydscott : That's also because AO was a full service, all economy airline. Very different to what JQ is.
45 Smi0006 : Just for an update rumour is that the new concourse at Melbourne, will open at the end of this month after originally being scheduled to open on the 2
46 Post contains links DJ748 : Competition to DPS from Australia is really heating up - we have a newcomer to the scene, with Strategic Airlines applying to start services on the BN
47 Post contains links JQFlightie : http://www.marketingmag.com.au/news/...st-advertiser-award-in-japan-1281#
48 Ditzyboy : Customers whose journey originates in Japan get all of the above included in their fare, as is my understanding. Will try an find an employee communi
49 TN486 : I expect you are referring to that airline that flew out of Cairns with 763's - if so, my understanding is it was killed off because it was a loss-ma
50 JQFlightie : the travel agent must book it.. OR if they are on a codeshare ticket everything is included.
51 ZK-NBT : It should be a 2 class 772ER with Spacebeds I believe. I thought the 744s were on the route till early November now, then 772s for a few weeks then 7
52 DJMEL : The Black Eyed Peas will be going hard singing with 140 lucky singers from MEL/PER attempting a world first Kaoroke at 40,000 feet on a special charte
53 Dddale : Does anyone know if the 787's Qantas has on order will replace the A330's on routes such as BNE to SIN or ADL to SIN when they arrive?
54 Post contains links Allrite : The Sydney Morning Herald has a long article on Alan Joyce's first year as CEO of Qantas and the challenges he faces.
55 TN486 : Its all interesting, a balanced report with the critics and supporters both being quoted. Would dearly love to know who the "former exec" of the comp
56 TN486 : Just finished reading the Oct 09 "Australian Aviation" mag. Geoff Thomas, a very respected aviation journalist, and a professional in his own right, h
57 RyanairGuru : hmm, "new competitive threats" It depends whether they're talking domestic or international. Any development in the latter probably wouldn't blow Qant
58 TN486 : On reflection, I was considering the possibility that QF may lose at some stage a lot of the Govt contract work they currently have. I remember seeing
59 Sydscott : LOL I laugh when I read things like that because it implies that QF isn't keeping an eye on what's happening out there. The thing to remember about A
60 Travelhound : I can't find the article, but QF had 92% load factors on its Aus-USA opps in August. They must be filling a fairly big chunk of their first and busin
61 ANstar : Or a lot of cabin rolling is going on. Ie Y to Y+ and Y+ to J. on other routes QF have extended the time period that they are selling Y+ as regular Y
62 Dddale : Will Qantas ever order the Boeing 777? I know this has been discussed previously, but does anyone know of any developments or is the B777 dead for Qan
63 Zkpilot : Pretty much its dead as far as QF are concerned... the only way I can see QF getting them now are either as compensation for 787 delays, or 777NG. Ot
64 Alangirvan : Some people think this is flogging a dead horse - the subject has been discussed to death. We have had Geoff Dixon saying it was his biggest mistake
65 Vhqpa : I think there is a small chance QF may get a small fleet (10-12) of 77W to replace the 744 on LAX (ex BNE/AKL)/SFO/FRA but maybe they hang onto the 74
66 TruemanQLD : Why do we need to discuss QF getting 777's ever 2nd thread? Can we please put the matter to rest for once and for all
67 Sydscott : QF should have the 773ER pure and simple. If Boeing can deliver a 15% improvement over the current one then, frankly, who cares about the 789? Buy th
68 Alangirvan : I do not want to provide links to other a.net threads which people can find for themselves, but there is a big discussion about how much of an improv
69 Sparklehorse12 : They could easily acquire 773's from VA, they would give em up if they could.....
70 DJMEL : It would be absolutely stupid of Alan Joyce and his management team not to look at an improved 777-300ER, after all the flying Kangaroo we're on the D
71 Allrite : I'm sure Qantas is keeping an eye on the 777 and the A350 and should they make financial sense then I'm sure that they will order them. I doubt if Joy
72 28L28L : Can anyone provide any detail of the approximate time that QF ceased operations at CAI, CCU and DEL? I found these cities in a Qantas map from the lat
73 Gemuser : I don't have any specific details to hand, I'm in VCE , but it was around the the mid 1970s with the introduction of the B742. This resulted in many l
74 Aussie_ : From today's Australian. Interesting that there will be no more QF routes handed to Jetstar. About time, a lot of people will be saying! * * * AFTER a
75 NZ107 : About time IMO! It's the same situation across the world - Air NZ is experiencing the higher than expected volumes but low yield; most likely caused
76 Smi0006 : I'm glad to read this indeed!!! I would imagine that JQ will expand in the short term, but it will be a while before the economy has recovered enough
77 ANstar : No more routes - but what about capacity? They could still replace more QF TT routes or SYD-MEL etc.
78 TN486 : Just noticed a QF 7586 arrival in MEL 1909 this evening from HNL and AKL. Can anyone tell me what this is all about?
79 NZ107 : It's a freighter service operated on behalf of QF.
80 TN486 : Yeah, thanks, I should have twigged to that, (flight number was the "hint"), too much housework today!!. (the other half was out galavanting). I pick
81 A1ring23 : Anyone see the report on "Sunday Night" on channel 7 about the A330s? Namely QF72 and AF447...such a stereotypical story typical of the Australian med
82 Sydscott : LOL Yes I did. The only 2 things I took out of it were that; - Apparently pilots are calling the Airbus A330 the "Scarebus". - There was an abnormal
83 Smi0006 : Perhaps its my inner Uni student finally rearing it's head (Prepare for a rant Lads and laddettes) , but regardless of the topic wouldn't it be nice t
84 Sydscott : I think that all you'll see in terms of QF capacity on the Tasman from mid 2011 is the 6 738's with PTV's etc and the couple of widebodies on SYD-AKL
85 A1ring23 : - ROFL.... That American Captain made me laugh quite a bit, 40 years in the industry and he still believes this?? The way the questions were directed
86 Smi0006 : I agree that certainly will be interesting to see if it is possible for the government to negotiate open skies, but I wonder if QF will be able to su
87 Jamie86 : Has anyone heard about the possible MEL-JNB with QF next year?
88 DJ748 : I'm curious about V Australia - they were planning on having a 4th weekly service on the BNE-LAX route as of a month ago, but hasn't happened because
89 Tayser : MEL-LAX, MEL-JNB and MEL/BNE-HKT no doubt.
90 Sydscott : A couple of points; 1. QF was only able to serve CDG 3 times a week so they were never competitive with frequency. They wanted daily, like FRA, to ma
91 Jamie86 : I think we just have to watch this space
92 Sydscott : Don't forget that V is also going to launch MEL-PER-JNB as well soon. If I recall correctly didn't QF once fly a MEL-JNB direct service at one stage?
93 A1ring23 : Any idea who will be the next to operate out of PER? I doubt QF will have any more Int'l routes planned, but maybe V Aus, EK, EY or a few others?
94 Aussieindc : With VH-OEC being slated to be retired this month, does anyone in the know, have which date and flight it's due to operate as it's final flight? I not
95 Aussieindc : My apologies, it was actually QF73 18OCT.
96 ANstar : DL/DJ have soft launched reciprocal lounge access. DJ GOLD memebrs will be able to access DL lounges in the USA when traveling DL and likewise for Sky
97 Smi0006 : I understand that the frequency wasn't there but at the same time compertition wasn't at the same levels that it is now, how big is the market betwee
98 Jamie86 : V australia planning to start this next march, from what ive heard, not sure about the PER part though
99 Smi0006 : Yeah I was aware of the MEL-JNB service but it is planned to be non-stop at this stage there was a lot of discussion on here as to the merits of it b
100 ZK-NBT : Isn't there a limit of 10 weekly flights Australian carriers can operate to South Africa and vv? With VA starting MEL-JNB non stop I think its quite
101 Post contains links Sydscott : QF have said publicly quite a few times that they'd like to serve Paris with their own metal. Realistically it is the only other major European Capit
102 Kiwiandrew : Sorry , what is GFC ?
103 NZ107 : The Global Financial Crisis
104 Smi0006 : Interesting and lucky if true: Wheel 'disintegration' on Virgin Blue plane in Print October 20, 2009 Article from: Australian Associated Press SAFETY
105 Post contains links ANstar : Virgin response is here http://virginblue.com.au/AboutUs/Med.../NewsandPressReleases/P_010544.htm
106 Airbusa322 : Tiger today will be the announcing the start of a new route: SYDNEY-GOLD COAST. Part of new plans for the future for sydney involving MEL-SYD-*new rou
107 Aussieindc : Finally I get the chance to get back home again and am booked JFK-LAX-BNE on Sunday 25OCT. This morning, something peeked my interest in the availabil
108 Koruman : No, Star Class is the few bits of broken-up cake that Jetstar international has. The rest of the plane amounts to lots of unconnected crumbs piled to
109 DJMEL : Qantas have applied a special Socceroos Livery on one of their B747-400, saw it sitting in front of the hangers, tried to get a photo of it and note t
110 TN486 : To which "hangars" are you referring sir? loc??
111 NZ107 : Left for LHR as QF1 already according to cpd on the photography forum.. VH-OJS (or T?)[Edited 2009-10-22 01:51:26]
112 Post contains links and images NZ107 : A pic is already up on A.Net: View Large View MediumPhoto © Richard Goodman - Goodman James Images
113 TN486 : VH-OJS, looks good. Lets hope it bring the socceroos some luck. Well done to Richard for nabbing and posting it so quickly.
114 Post contains links Smi0006 : It has been announced on travel weekly that come the 9th of December Viva Macau will commence twice weekly services to Melbourne. December certainly w
115 6thfreedom : Is the service to Gold Coast operated as a W rather than triangulating?
116 Post contains links Sydscott : 2 bits of news from the IASC; 1. Fiji - V Australia awarded daily SYD-NAN flights and JQ awarded 4 weekly SYD-NAN flights. http://www.iasc.gov.au/dete
117 Airvan00 : Maybe they refer to W and Y as a single class, 38W 265Y would be 303 seats.
118 Post contains links JQFlightie : the new A330's coming online are in a defferent configeration to the other fleet. Also, is this a scary thought, i honestly dont know how reliable th
119 Gemuser : " target=_blank>http://www.etravelblackboard.com/sho...av=61 Well the bit about Air Austral is dead on. What the response of other airlines will be,
120 TN486 : I notice the article was written mid August, and also Allan Joyce has said quite recently no more QF routes to JQ. So, could we consider some QF A380
121 Gemuser : I wouldn't regard AJ comments as set in stone. If a new idea comes along or an old idea gets a new lease of life that is best implemented by JQ then
122 Post contains images Vhqpa : Last friday (23/10) after over 23 years of service QF Group retired their last pax 733 with ZK-JNC (formerly VH-TJB) operating QF38 WLG-MEL. The Intro
123 Airbusa322 : So what Config are the new JQ 330's coming in? Are they going to do an AirAsia and squeeze more seats in?
124 Ditzyboy : The one arriving in the immediate future (-EBK) is the same configuration as the existing 332s. The new deliveries (Nov and Feb) are going to the QF
125 JQFlightie : havnt been told about specific config, all i know i they are different. i think possible routes across the pacific could be MEX, YVR that would be ni
126 Smi0006 : I thought they were confirmed to be in domestic configuration but with PTVs thus bringing them inline with the new trans-tasman 738s. I was under the
127 Sydscott : I think we're all getting confused here. QF mainline are taking deliveres of 2 A332's in Nov and Feb which will have PTV's. No I gather this is to ha
128 Post contains links Jetfuel : A TIGER Airways passenger has told of his and other passengers' frustration after they were stranded in Hobart for three days due to a flight cancella
129 TruemanQLD :
130 Sydscott : Pay peanuts = get monkeys. I love how he "forked out" for the DJ fare. It'll be interesting to see just how much repeat business TT generates because
131 JQFlightie : i dont understand why they didnt just PAX another crew member down with another airline to complete the duty? surely they had a MEL base crew member
132 Kiwiandrew : Not that I agree with how TT handled this , but I dont think the a/c was stranded in HBA , just the pax , although they did not have sufficient cabin
133 Jetfuel : As far as I know they flew the a/c back to MEL as it was needed for other scheduled flights, leaving passengers in Hobart.
134 Boof : They couldn't pax another aircrew down as the attendent fell ill on the TT fight that originated in MEL at 19:30 and this cancelled flight was a sche
135 JQFlightie : ferry flight! but thanks for the clarrification guys, its just sounded like the aircraft was stranded there for 3 days... all good
136 JQFlightie : ferry flight! but thanks for the clarrification guys, its just sounded like the aircraft was stranded there for 3 days... all good
137 Airbusa322 : Also there were a few Sydney cancellations due to the storms so the Aircraft was needed in Melbourne asap ready for the morning Sydney sectors that we
138 Alangirvan : just some idle thoughts from me regarding the EK Trans Tasman services. We all guess there are various reasons why EK operates Trans Tasman - BNE/MEL/
139 Sydscott : From all the reports it sounds like they need some highly accurate and factual Today Tonight bashing so they pull their heads in. I'm sorry but to le
140 NZ107 : Currently, I'm not sure if they'd turn around quick enough in AKL to make it back for the departing flight out of SYD - to my calculations it'd be ab
141 Airvan00 : The BA 747 and 777 are parking in the same area (at least they have been over the last couple of weeks) as the SQ 380 and the VS A340 beside the M5E
142 NZ107 : Interesting.. Well that certainly gets rid of my query then All other times I've seen them over the last 5 years (not many times actually) have been
143 DavidByrne : I think that the answer, historically, is that the Tasman is one of the most competitive air markets in the world, going by the number of carriers fl
144 Alangirvan : I am only starting to put this discussion together - if the route was so bad, EK would not be doing it. The other airlines could do it for other reaso
145 Post contains links JQFlightie : http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/...star-engine-fire-forces-evacuation im surprised this hasnt been picked up sooner... i hate until i have to wait
146 AirbusA322 : Not until someone tells this to Shelley Roberts' face. EK's loads out of Melbourne usually sit under 100. Tue/Wed can get a little ugly. There has to
147 Tayser : Air Asia X is moving from 11 weekly to 12 weekly in February MEL-KUL. pretty impressive - nearing double daily in under a year![Edited 2009-10-28 00:4
148 TN486 : Hi all, Tue pm QF to ADL and return Wed pm JQ to MEL. Some observations if I may (NO, this is not a trip report)!! and a couple of questions. QF total
149 Jbernie : when my wife & I did DEN-LAX-MEL with my elderly father in law we had great treatment all the way through, all airport staff, whether QF or security
150 AirbusA322 : More Tiger Capacity coming. New Bus coming to be based in Adelaide. Plus some more extra for Melbourne. MEL-ADL MEL-HBA MEL-MCY ADL-PER Plus more
151 Post contains links and images Aussie18 : I think since Etihad starting codesharing with Qantas they managed to get a deal to park their A346's especially A6-EHJ(F1 scheme) at the pond during
152 Jbernie : Great shot Mark, if only you could have gotten a QF 744 or A380 in as well and you would have won the jackpot
153 VHVXB : It appears that scheduled 3rd daily EK SYD-DXB-SYD service beginning 1st December will not operate daily as orginally planned. It will operate on a 3
154 Aussie18 : Thanks Mate,I would've preferred better light. Possible times: VA027 SYD0810 – 1320 NAN 77W D VA028 NAN1455 – 1820 SYD 77W D
155 TruemanQLD : Looking at JL timetable, BNE services continue into April. So appears services have not been cancelled - for now.
156 6thfreedom : I think it's 4pw for month of Dec, going daily 2 Jan. into SYD Mon/wed/fri/sun at 2230, departing 0600 following day.
157 Gemuser : Cutting it fine on the inbound! And a 3:00 am checkin! I hope EK has had words with both the airport operator and the service providers, Terminal 1 c
158 Jetfuel : When is Tiger going to announce MEL-CNS?
159 AirbusA322 : Last I heard it was sitting at ADL-CNS, ADL-PER and there is a gap still there, dont know whether BNE has come back to Tiger after failed discussions
160 Aussie_ : So is TT ADL-CBR canned? It's a real pity as their start-up schedule was great, with Fri and Sun flights constantly full and strong loads Mondays (Wed
161 AirbusA322 : Yes, no more ADL-CBR from 9th Jan. And as you said, the Tue/Thur/Sat lineup proved deadly with lower loads, but it was more than messing with the sch
162 Post contains links Jetfuel : Other news - Tiger Airways announced Sunday its decision to double the number of daily flights between Sydney and the Gold Coast due to popular demand
163 Aussie_ : Tiger have now announced up to 3x daily services MEL-BNE-MEL from March.
164 AirbusA322 : So add ADL-BNE and that is the new A320 full to capacity during the day along with ADL-PER unless they ADL-BNE is made double daily.
165 VHVXB : SYD-NAN now available for sale. Special fares available towards the end of January 2010
166 PITrules : Perhaps this is about the proposed nonstop flights to London and New York by V Australia?
167 ANstar : I reckon it is more to do with the 3 airlines coming under a single brand soon. There has been alot of whispers about it and the more time that passe
168 TN486 : Pretty heady stuff indeed, and the continued expansion of Tiger!! Food for thought for the armchair CEO's Where would possible "cooperation" in vario
169 VH-BZF : QANTAS is facing another potentially damaging safety campaign after its professional engineers voted overwhelmingly to take industrial action because
170 Sparklehorse12 : Who the heck do these clowns think they are? Imagine if I walked into my boss asking for a 30% pay increase.....he would show me the door........ I a
171 Post contains links Boof : When was this ever mentioned? I cant say I'm an expert in all things V Oz but I cannot ever remember this being said.... I'm sure it would have made
172 Jetfuel : I see QF11 Qantas A380 carrying 329 passengers on its way from Sydney to Los Angeles has been forced to return to Australia because of a faulty fuel p
173 PA515 : Virgin Blue's AGM is on the 26th November 2009. Perhaps rumours of 5 777LR's for 2011 delivery will be confirmed by then. PA515
174 QF175 : Firstly, contrary to what has been reported, JAL has no plans to suspend its daily services to Brisbane. Secondly, I understand Qantas will shortly an
175 Jetfuel : or will it be the 773 order changed to 772??
176 Post contains links Gemuser : If anything it'll be B737s See: http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/ Virgin spokesperson has said the following since.... Quote: Whenever we go n
177 AirbusA322 : And it will be interesting to see what Boeing 737 type they choose. I understand for Sydney ops they want the 739. And we should find out when the AGM
178 TN486 : would this start with a tag from SYD or MEL, or be a service in its own right? Welcome back, you have some work to do ( Can we expect a TR. Probably
179 Jetfuel : I could seriously see DJ looking for something bigger than the 739. Their 738 has 180 pax and I understood the 739 has the same max pax load (FAA/CASA
180 Post contains links VirginFlyer : The 737-900, like the 737-800, can carry up to 189 passengers. The 737-900ER, which has replaced the 737-900 as the current production model, can car
181 Thegeek : I remember reading (can't remember where - sorry) that DJ looked at a widebody and would like the capacity for domestic but their gates aren't suitabl
182 AirbusA322 : Tiger will be rolling out new Schedules until 30th October this evening and over this coming week, including some small reductions in MEL-SYD, yet som
183 Post contains links Jetfuel : http://www.theage.com.au/travel/trav...-landing-normal-20091109-i4u0.html Qantas in the news again. ........"The Boeing 747, flight QF94 from Los Ange
184 NZ107 : At least it sounds like their gear was down
185 Airvan00 : When I was a boy the management would say "if you didn't have a "go around" once per shift, your weren't trying". Go Arounds are either caused by an
186 VirginFlyer : That's not fair. I was asked to go around by tower once, and I didn't get my own story in the newspaper. Maybe I should paint the tail red and affix
187 ANstar : Didn't AN fly wide bodies into T2? Virgin could use any of the gates there as most of them are multi user.
188 DJMEL : ANstar - that is correct AN 767 A/C use to dock in on what is now the the DJ concourse in Sydney in fact I bet you could dock a 773 or a 747 on the T
189 Post contains links Airvan00 : Gates 49 53 and 55 are the current 763 gates http://www.airservices.gov.au/publications/pending/dap/SSYAP03-119.pdf
190 TN486 : T2 in SYD can accept anything except an A380 or a Concorde . I still feel that in the future DJ (or whatever it will be known by in the future) will
191 Jetfuel : I tend to agree. The 767 is now too inefficent and the A330 too expensive. QF gate about 300 pax on their domestic A330 and really DJ could do with 6
192 TN486 : Oh well mate, you win some, and you lose some I am out at MEL most Saturdays, and there is very rarely a couple of weeks go by without at least one g
193 747m8te : Yes...but the issue is....they will probably need another aircraft to do the job before any 787s would be available for them... Maybe they could stri
194 Post contains links VirginFlyer : 49, 53 and 55 are all in the Qantas/JetStar side of T2 - I have a feeling they may have exclusive use on them too - http://www.sydneyairport.com.au/S
195 QF175 : Unsure at this stage, however I understand the 73H that operates CBR/PER originates in SYD, so perhaps we'll see SYD/CBR/DRW? Thanks, I have a large
196 Jbernie : God help us then if any Virgin folk are seen in Russia... the media will be in a frenzy then
197 ANstar : Pretty sure tiger have used gate 55
198 Thegeek : What's the acutal problem with the 767's efficiency? It's significantly lighter weight per pax than the A330. If you aren't carrying much freight the
199 Jetfuel : THE public has been warned not to be alarmed if they see flames and smoke billowing from Sydney Airport. Airservices Australia (AA) says it is conduct
200 Jetfuel : If you can fill an A330 then the A330 is the better a/c. The 767 is a great plane .The problem with buying a 767 is the high lease rates. Its about $
201 Thegeek : I'm sure that's true so long as you mean belly cargo as well as pax. My question was more in regards to sectors like SYD-BNE and SYD-MEL where I woul
202 6thfreedom : PER-CBR arrives CBR 2215 and overnights, so techonically it doesn't tag, regardless of where it goes on to the next day. Even if the aircraft origina
203 DJ748 : I've seen an article that has said about no order for the 77L's for direct PER-LON and SYD-NYC services, which got me thinking, so what are your thou
204 Gemuser : As a general statement, tags like this are never profitable unless there is some special circumstance involved. It is generally more profitable to le
205 Alangirvan : perhaps the V Australia fleet is not quite big enough to do that yet. V Australia decided that the flights from SYD to LAX would be evening departure
206 Post contains links NZ107 : Qantas and check-in Looks like QF will soon roll out a new checking in system similar to Air NZ's..
207 6thfreedom : Tiger is launching BNE-ROK services, and QF to operate Canberra-Darwin from next year. Busy morning in Australian aviation..
208 Aussie_ : CBR-DRW formally launched today 3x a week Monday/Wednesday/Friday From 1/02/10 til 03/04/10 QF844 Dep CBR 0930 Arr DRW 1225 QF845 Dep DRW 1310 Arr CBR
209 Aussie18 : Reports going around about the 5th & 6th Qantas A380's being delayed again now due for delivery in FEB 2010.
210 TN486 : any thoughts on why?
211 BmiBaby737 : Is there anyone that may be able to provide more details on the retirement of VH-OJK and it's scheduled before hand, please?
212 Post contains links Jetfuel : Here's an awesome new satellite photo site. Check it out http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-27.405265,153.110263&z=21&t=h&nmd=20091015
213 A1ring23 : Just realised that EK425 from PER - DXB is now operated by an A343 instead of the usual A345? Any reason for this? Would it possibly be due to the tai
214 BNE : Seems like Velocity upgraded everyone to Gold status. Followed by: A bit of a PR stunt or disaster for for Virgin Blue.
215 Jetfuel : me too. I just booked some upcoming flights after they upgraded me to Gold. Not sure what to do but am thinking I might cancel the flights (100% refu
216 Gemuser : Jetfuel, take my word for it, it is a very, very easy error to happen! An update was applied to the whole database, rather than in accordance with so
217 Aussie18 : I believe its still scheduled for retirement by end of 2009 which is only 6 weeks,Both OEC,OED have been retired as have 1 of the 767's so Id expect
218 DJMEL : Pacific Blue launched flights from PER to HKT today and VA launch BNE/HKT on 22 Nov......interesting times ahead.........
219 TN486 : Hey people, it seems number 32 is open with 3 comments allready, so who, how, locks this thread?
220 Post contains links Tayser : great updated overview pic of MEL showing the new sections of T2: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=46175153&postcount=1299
221 Post contains links EI787 : Please continue here: Australian Aviation Thread # 32 (by QF175 Nov 12 2009 in Civil Aviation)
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