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User currently offlineNEMA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 724 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 13650 times:

So BA are going to start a service where Silverjet left off, well not quite as they are going to fly from LCY but it will be a business class only service and.... It'll be the first plane since Concorde to carry the BA001 flight number.

Can it work in times when spending is lean?


One interesting point that surprised me from the article (see link below), is that a refuelling stop in Shannon in the Republic of Ireland will be scheduled and the 32 passengers can clear US immigration whilst there. I have not heard of that before. Also there is no hint of the intended arrival airport in NY, any ideas?.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8279408.stm

[Edited 2009-09-28 21:33:18]


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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 13554 times:



Quoting NEMA (Thread starter):
One interesting point that surprised me from the article (see link below), is that a refuelling stop in Shannon in the Republic of Ireland will be scheduled and the 32 passengers can clear US immigration whilst there. I have not heard of that before. Also there is no hint of the intended arrival airport in NY, any ideas?.

I think they're going to JFK.

As for US border pre-clearance, a new agreement will have US immigration/customs pre-clearance in Shannon and soon, Dublin. I assume it's pretty much the same as my experience on the Eurostar to and from London...e.g. when checking in at Waterloo, I cleared French customs. On the return, at Gare du Nord I cleared French customs again, then UK immigration. It's convenient not having to stand in a line when all you want to do is get home --especially since back when I was returning to London in May our train was delayed an hour and a half...



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User currently offlineNEMA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 724 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 13511 times:



Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 1):
I think they're going to JFK.

I would imagine that would be a popular choice and with only 32 seats to fill maybe they might do well.

Anybody know how many seats Silverjet were offering and what their take up average was?



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User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 13575 times:

There aren't that many seats on it being a tiny aircraft. Even if it left half full it would still make a substancial profit.

This will probably reduce the number of F/J seats out of LHR and allow the route to be downgraded to a 777 without loss of face.


User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1855 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 13566 times:

Dear Nema
this has been discussed forever in previous threads. Just do a search in the search forum.
Regards


User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2010 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 13542 times:
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Discussed

Here: First BA A318 Had It's First Flight Today (by Sralfalo Aug 19 2009 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=4523819&searchid=4556452&s=A318#ID4556452

and here: BAW9256 G-EGUNA (by DaveUK Sep 4 2009 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=4540528&searchid=4540943&s=A318#ID4540943



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20204 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 13525 times:



Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 1):

I think they're going to JFK.

That is going to be a very strange thing to see taxiing by at JFK,


User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2010 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 13499 times:
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):
That is going to be a very strange thing to see taxiing by at JFK,

Agreed. I believe BA have given this new route the former Concorde flight numbers BA001 / BA002. Quite a step down from Concorde. Oh well... It will be interesting to see if they can make the economics work, long term. Personally, I just don't see it.



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User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3012 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 13463 times:
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Quoting PA110 (Reply 7):
Oh well... It will be interesting to see if they can make the economics work, long term. Personally, I just don't see it.

I see it working. There are not many seats to fill, and the business traveler who wants to be on the plane quickly without the mess and queues of LHR is the perfect target for this. If I lived in London, I'd definitely pick this flight.



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User currently offlineNEMA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 724 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 13452 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 3):
This will probably reduce the number of F/J seats out of LHR and allow the route to be downgraded to a 777 without loss of face.

Good point

Quoting Goldorak (Reply 4):
Dear Nema
this has been discussed forever in previous threads. Just do a search in the search forum.
Regards



Quoting PA110 (Reply 5):
Discussed

I take your point and i did a search before posting but the titles of the previous threads didnt pop up and alert me to my own topic when posting, the link i have placed might be interesting to some regardless.



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User currently offlineKennyk From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 13364 times:

Has this service just started?

User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 13212 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):
That is going to be a very strange thing to see taxiing by at JFK,

Absolutely right. It'll be right up there with the Air France and Iberia A319's at MIA only a few short years ago... Sad



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User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1385 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 12972 times:



Quoting Kennyk (Reply 10):
Has this service just started?

1st Scheduled flight is today (29th Sept), however 1 article I read said that the 1st revenue flight (i.e. with paying passengers) would actually be 30th Sept - maybe a BA person can confirm this?

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User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3653 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 12926 times:

How soon before we see a trip report ?

User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 12840 times:



Quote:
That is going to be a very strange thing to see taxiing by at JFK,

Yup, so odd that when it came in for the first time, one of the things ATC said was
"You gunna look like the other British airways aircraft when it grows up" which made the pilot laugh

Then someone said God Save the Queen over the Radio  Smile

They then had a little chat about the descent into LCY and the angle it goes down. Cant wait to pop to LCY soon and see it.


User currently offlineClubWorld1986 From United Kingdom, joined May 2009, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 12449 times:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/travel/business/article6852125.ece

LCY released this. Apologies if it's already been posted.


User currently offlineEbbUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 12404 times:



Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 13):
How soon before we see a trip report ?

The first one to post a trip report with pics gets an add to my respected members. Now that is a prize worth having believe me!


User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4880 posts, RR: 37
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 12394 times:

How long exactly does this thing take to get from London to New York, including the stop?

And how long does a scheduled non-stop flight actually take?

And for comparison, consider NY-London on BA previously took 2h:53min.

This seems quite a step down in service level, you'd have to admit. If they can make it work and take money from the wallets of business travellers, then good luck to them.

Admittedly, you could sell Concorde because it was fast, very fast, but I'm unsure, even with simplified customs procedures and small queues, how you can get someone to pay more to go slower, and be burdened with a stop en-route.

Especially when a B747 or B777 will do the whole journey non-stop at M0.855, and the old Concorde did it at M2.01 non-stop.

[Edited 2009-09-29 03:44:40]

User currently offlineAirvan00 From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 12287 times:



Quoting Cpd (Reply 17):

How long exactly does this thing take to get from London to New York, including the stop?

And how long does a scheduled non-stop flight actually take?

The important selling point is that this flight leaves from LCY and not LHR. So there is a headstart of a couple of hours for Canary Wharf executives.


User currently offlineABpositive From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 12287 times:

Will the tickets for this service be readily flexible with other BA flights between London and New York? I imagine you'd want to be able to offer frequency to business travellers.

User currently offlineDitzyboy From Australia, joined Feb 2008, 722 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 12139 times:



Quoting Cpd (Reply 17):
how you can get someone to pay more to go slower, and be burdened with a stop en-route.

The en route stop is due to weight restrictions/aircraft limitations on the Westbound leg only. BA have made the stop not a total incovenience by making use of the US pre-clearance facilities.

With respect to paying more, do remember that the Club hard product on the 318 is VASTLY superior to that of the Concorde. The IFE is also far better and there is the availability of laptop power, not available on Concorde.


User currently offlineUPSMD11 From United States of America, joined May 2003, 816 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 12024 times:
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I wonder if this will have easy connections in JFK from One World flights? If so, it could make getting to the London city center easy for other people, not just those in the NYC area.

AA has many flights into JFK but it all depends on the timing of these whether someone could connect.

John


User currently offlineOffloaded From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 893 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 11968 times:

Flight numbers are BA 1, 2, 3 and 4 as there will be 2 flights a day.

I am giving BA1 a go in mid November. I have a question which so far no-one at BA has been able to answer and that is: as we get off at SNN, clear US Customs and Immigration, when we land at JFK we are considered a domestic arrival. However, I am carrying on to IAD and would rather not recheck my bag at JFK. So would me bag be tagged LCY SNN then SNN JFK IAD or what?

Yes I know I can fly LHR IAD direct, but seeing as how I missed the original BA1 (I still have mixed feeling about the use of this flight number!) I thought this would be an interesting experience.



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User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4880 posts, RR: 37
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 11937 times:



Quoting Ditzyboy (Reply 20):
VASTLY superior to that of the Concorde

The product is still ultimately inferior to the previous BA001/BA002 product because it is slow.

You never really work productively on a flight interrupted by meal breaks, the need to have a sleep (hence the flat reclining seats), people and service carts bumping into you as they go past. Even worse, you arrive jet-lagged and exhausted at the destination, just like those folks who travelled on the B747, B777 or A340.

Concorde allowed the executive the possibility of a day of productive work at the other end of the journey. Something not possible with this new service, regardless of what they claim.


User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3012 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 11852 times:
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Quoting ManuCH (Reply 8):
If I lived in London, I'd definitely pick this flight.

I have to correct myself: isn't this flight a tiny bit expensive? I tried to book it online and it is quoted at GBP 3705 (US$ 5890). With LX I can fly ZRH-JFK in C for CHF 3323 (US$ 3200), on the Privatair BBJ2 (or on the A333). That's a factor of 1.85.

Am I missing something? Productivity or not, I don't know many people whose time is worth so much...



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25 BeakerLTN : I'm perhaps not the target audience for that product, but as I see it, If I'd paid £4k for my ticket and want a few hours to enjoy it!!!! - so for me
26 Offloaded : Maybe you picked the wrong day. This isn't being priced differently to BA's normal NYC fare, i.e. availability will still be I, R, D, C, J class but
27 Kappel : It doesn't matter, because the Concorde doesn't fly anymore. So the a318 flight does not compete with the Concorde. With the exeption that you arrive
28 UAEflyer : I personally will take this flight on my way back from JFK next November, but will fly to JFK by the 777. I hate stops under any name or benefits. Yes
29 Post contains links EI787 : Please continue the discussion here: BA - LCY - JFK - Inaugural Flight (by Captainsimon Sep 28 2009 in Civil Aviation) Any additional posts that are m
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