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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12217 posts, RR: 18
Posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 14394 times:
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Link from thread #62 New Zealand Aviation Thread #62 (by ManuCH Sep 2 2009 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12217 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 14392 times:
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Piper crash lands on Great Barrier Island http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2914...9/Two-injured-in-light-plane-crash

User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 14256 times:

Air New Zealand will use a 777 to Samoa today as per media Release.

User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2268 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 14100 times:
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Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 2):
Air New Zealand will use a 777 to Samoa today as per media Release.

And tomorrow as well.

NZ1


User currently offlineMacilree From New Zealand, joined Dec 2006, 243 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 13785 times:

Awfully quiet on this thread. As a conversation starter and because a discussion at the office had me thinking about this today, I invite readers to name what they think will be the next five international airlines to commence operations to New Zealand in date order (including the related routes if you wish) as the industry emerges out of the global economic recession over the next few years.


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User currently offlineKoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 13747 times:

OK John, here are my guesses about possible future airlines to serve New Zealand:

1) Etihad, AKL-BNE-Abu Dhabi
2) JALways replacing Air NZ on codeshared services. AKL-NRT.
3) Hawaiian taking over all AKL-HNL services, codeshared.
4) Delta, if their Australia services are a success, AKL-LAX
5) Continental

I considered Tiger, but don't think NZ would be viable for them.


User currently offlineAxio From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 13745 times:



Quoting Macilree (Reply 4):
I invite readers to name what they think will be the next five international airlines to commence operations to New Zealand in date order (including the related routes if you wish)

Five?

Well scratch all the Star Alliance Airlines - they're already here or well served through code shares. As far as cultural ties go, I believe the Pacific Island based airlines serve already, and BA travellers are taken care of through QF and CX. On top of that the most likely South American candidates are already in the market.

So that leaves as likely destinations North America and a few parts of East Asia; and the possibility more Middle East airlines take pax through to Europe. So...

New entrant number one: Delta. Direct to Atlanta on 772LR with trans-tasman and domestic feed from Pacific Blue. Starting out 3x a week, moving to 6x a week.

New entrant number two: Vietnam Airlines. Direct to Saigon on 788 (if the 787 ever arrives)

That's probably it. Qatar maybe - via another destination, probably SYD.

Next...  Smile

ax



Time for a new viewing deck at AKL!
User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6436 posts, RR: 38
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 13729 times:



Quoting Macilree (Reply 4):
I invite readers to name what they think will be the next five international airlines to commence operations to New Zealand in date order (including the related routes if you wish) as the industry emerges out of the global economic recession over the next few years.

It won't hurt to have a crack.. But 5 seems a lot! A lot of it is dependent on many factors..

Air Asia X late 2010, KUL-AKL/CHC
Tiger on TT routes 2011
Delta 2011 LAX-AKL
V Australia 2012 Aussie-AKL-North America
Air Philippines 2012 (either this or an NZ flight to CRK)
And if not Air Philippines, the re-emergence of either OZ or BR to AKL.
HA possibly?
Does JQ International count?

TT is dependent on the SAM. I'm sure Air Asia X would be able to fly down here but it'd be a matter of demand both to here and Aussie - they might consider expanding further into Aussie before trying out AKL as it's much further away. DL could also opt for an alternative to the current ATL-LAX-SYD and re-route it to MEL; possibly via AKL or something.. V Australia could enter the non-stop AKL-North America IMO once they increase their fleet. I'm sure they'd be keen on flights to AKL before the RWC, especially as a means of boosting capacity without having to use too many 737s. But it could be a possibility that Pacific Blue would have dramatically increased their services to NZ, especially from smaller airports if the SAM opens up. We could well be seeing HBA, CBR, TSV and the likes with nonstop flights to NZ. More competition to PER, ADL, CNS. It's too far fetched for me to be predicting but I can't exactly think of too many more airlines who would actually want to fly here.

Quoting Koruman (Reply 5):
1) Etihad, AKL-BNE-Abu Dhabi

Oh yes, Etihad must certainly be closing in. I'm sure they'd be keen by RWC too. Do EK hold all the TT rights for UAE though?



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User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 1001 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 13690 times:



Quoting Koruman (Reply 5):
2) JALways replacing Air NZ on codeshared services. AKL-NRT.

i dont think so, with the current state of that company as a whole, they wont be starting anything, anytime soon they seem to be cutting routes... for eg next yr BNE-NRT on JL is scrapped! sorry guys!  Smile



Next Trip: PER-DPS-KUL-BKK-HKT-CNX-BKK-SIN-PER
User currently offlineKoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 13659 times:



Quoting Macilree (Reply 4):
I invite readers to name what they think will be the next five international airlines to commence operations to New Zealand



Quoting Koruman (Reply 5):
JALways replacing Air NZ on codeshared services. AKL-NRT.



Quoting JQflightie (Reply 8):
i dont think so, with the current state of that company as a whole, they wont be starting anything, anytime soon they seem to be cutting routes... for eg next yr BNE-NRT on JL is scrapped! sorry guys!

I think that you'll find that BNE-NRT is being axed simply because the market is for NRT-OOL, not BNE.

As a Gold Coast resident I'm rather pleased that OOL is starting to steal international market share from BNE, or to be precise that BNE is no longer stealing all Gold Coast passengers. I'm currently on the second of three international itineraries in six weeks, and very happy to be connecting at AKL from OOL instead of BNE, and somewhat disappointed that schedules require me to fly HNL-AKL-BNE rather than OOL on both this trip and my next one in one month's time.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6436 posts, RR: 38
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13639 times:



Quoting Axio (Reply 6):
Vietnam Airlines. Direct to Saigon on 788 (if the 787 ever arrives)

How much chance do you give VN as a stayer? I think TG and CX (and also SQ and MH) can probably serve Vietnam well enough.

Quoting Axio (Reply 6):
Qatar maybe - via another destination, probably SYD

Would it be easier for QR to get the rights for TT over the likes of EY? And I'd add to that - I'd expect to see it through MEL rather than SYD.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12217 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13635 times:
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Quoting Koruman (Reply 5):
4) Delta, if their Australia services are a success, AKL-LAX
5) Continental

I'm very interested in having more options for USA flights and I think it would be fantastic for New Zealand if a US based airline re-started ops here.

Koruman, what routes do you think would be started if DL and/or CO launch routes here like AKL-LAX-ATL for DL etc?


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6436 posts, RR: 38
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13625 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 11):
and/or CO

With CO becoming *A, I don't really think they're likely to send their own metal down unless it was a rather eccentric route choice direct to one of their hubs.



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User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1717 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13625 times:

not in any order but the likes of;

1. Air Asia X - CHC Service
2. SAA - AKL Service
3. Tiger - CHC,AKL,ROT,WLG Service
4. China Southern - AKL Service
5. Vietnam Airlines - AKL Service



CZ 787 to AKL can't wait.
User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6436 posts, RR: 38
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13616 times:



Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 13):
4. China Southern - AKL Service

Is CAN ready for frequent flights to AKL with HKG being so close and may I add getting closer? It's fair to say that MU/CA etc wouldn't be keen in PEK/PVG-AKL on their own metal. Is any flight to China (excluding HKG) in the medium run that sustainable?



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12217 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13610 times:
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Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 13):
3. Tiger - CHC,AKL,ROT,WLG Service

I can see Tiger operating Tasman flights, but I'm not so sure about AKL due to all the competition there and JQ taking over WLG Tasman flights


User currently offlineKoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13610 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 11):
Koruman, what routes do you think would be started if DL and/or CO launch routes here like AKL-LAX-ATL for DL etc?

Unfortunately,the DL Australia experience leads me to believe that their only route would be LAX-AKL, using the existing DL(NW) network beyond LAX. I don't believe that an Atlanta flight to Auckland would precede a Sydney one.

As for Continental, again I don't think we'd see a Houston service but we might just see either a 737 from Guam (via Nadi) or a 764 from Honolulu.

The other possibility is that Hawaiian might extend its Honolulu-Pago Pago service down to Auckland, with attractive fares from AKL to APW via Pago Pago.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12217 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13598 times:
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NZ is adding an additional flight on Saturday to Samoa using a B763

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12217 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13596 times:
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Quoting Koruman (Reply 16):
Unfortunately,the DL Australia experience leads me to believe that their only route would be LAX-AKL, using the existing DL(NW) network beyond LAX. I don't believe that an Atlanta flight to Auckland would precede a Sydney one.

Do DL/NW base any long haul aircraft at LAX to enable only an AKL-LAX flight? Maybe DL or CO could beat NZ to an ORD or IAD service?


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8580 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13575 times:
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Quoting Macilree (Reply 4):
I invite readers to name what they think will be the next five international airlines to commence operations to New Zealand in date order

Your idea certainly seemed to wake the thread up  thumbsup 

I have to say that I see little likelihood of 5 new carriers inbound to New Zealand anytime soon , at a stretch I could think of three possibles

TT
I believe that they have already stated their intention to eventually serve Transtasman ( which seems a natural with their 2 letter code  Wink )

EY
although I believe that NZ107 has highlighted a potential deal breaker ,

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 7):
Do EK hold all the TT rights for UAE though?

I cannot see EY running a service without 5ths on the Tassie , and I think that EK has already used them all up .

D7

I am not sure what the agreement between Malaysia and New Zealand permits ( although I think it is pretty liberal ) .

.....


and for my very , very , very longshot ...

JJ soon to be *A member and they will have to find some use for their A345s once all the 77Ws arrive ( in all honesty though this is really just wishful thinking on my part because I would dearly love to see a *A carrier between South America and New Zealand , why oh why did SK sell their stake in LA ? We could have had them in *A instead of oneworld  banghead  ).

For the rest , CO ? I think they will content themselves with interlining/codesharing with NZ . DL? Maybe in a few years if they are still flying to the region , but frankly I am not convinced that LAX-SYD will last , I give them a year to eighteen months before they bow out in favour of codeshare on V Australia ... assuming of course that V Australia survives but that is another story .



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6436 posts, RR: 38
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13566 times:



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 19):
I cannot see EY running a service without 5ths on the Tassie ,

Just thinking a bit more on EY - as they now have a codeshare with QF, it shouldn't take any effort to get their flight number on QF metal and they could just leave it at that - a codeshare across the Tasman.



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User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5055 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 13545 times:



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 19):

For the rest , CO ? I think they will content themselves with interlining/codesharing with NZ

In my view a CO/NZ AKL-IAH service is a no brainer. It can be done with the 772 with at least max passenger load, it can leave AKL late enough to get the connections from Aus. and arrive early enough to make the late afternoon/early evening CO flights to just about every city of any consequence east of the Mississippi. A great opportunity to upstage QF and the SYD-DFW service they have never got past talking about.


User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 13537 times:

During a layover somewhere recently (I think it was Perth) I watched a very long interview with the EY CEO, as part of a documentary about Etihad in general. Once you got past the usual jingoistic tone of how wonderful Aussies are at leading foreign companies, it was very interesting.

One thing he specifically said (which I have to admit surprised me) is how they were using the Qantas codeshares 'to places where we almost certainly won't operate ourselves, like New Zealand'. I'm pretty sure that was the exact wording he used.



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8580 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 13532 times:
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Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 21):
In my view a CO/NZ AKL-IAH service is a no brainer.

In principle I agree , but I am not sure how much of the USA-New Zealand/Australia market it would capture .

It would still force pax to/from Australia to double connect ( eg BNE AKL IAH MSY or MEL AKL IAH IND etc ) so I dont see what it would offer in that market that cannot already be offered via LAX and an interior hub such as DFW or DEN and I am not sure that the New Zealand-Eastern US market on its own is enough to make it work

I would love to see an NZ 787-9 operated AKL-IAH service one day ... but you could write on the back of a postage stamp everything I know about running an airline profitably so I am not sure that my opinion would carry a lot of weight with NZs route planners 

[Edited 2009-10-01 05:15:30]


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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25424 posts, RR: 86
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 13476 times:
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Poor ol' Air NZ - battered by all this new service.

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 19):
( in all honesty though this is really just wishful thinking on my part because I would dearly love to see a *A carrier between South America and New Zealand

Mostly, I'd like to see Air NZ start a service to South or Central America. I'm not holding my breath, but surely it has to happen one day?

mariner



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25 NZ107 : One thing's for sure - I'd like to see some new airlines head down this way. It surely doesn't stop NZ from opening up these new routes which could p
26 SunriseValley : The only difference beween IAH and DFW is that the first is good for Star Alliance ( CO) connections and the second for One World (AA).. Eastbound co
27 777ER : Eastern USA is actually becoming a popular destination for New Zealanders and Australians. New Zealand and Australia is also becoming a popular desti
28 777ER : Couldn't agree more! When I go to Michigan, I'm forced to endure upto 36 hours of nonstop travel, all thanks to the 8-10 hour wait at LAX due to NZs
29 Post contains links 777ER : Airlines bleed in Tasman route scrap - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...rlines-bleed-in-Tasman-route-scrap Heres a few interesting bits from the
30 DavidByrne : Just did a bit of "estimating" and figure the outbound flight AKL-IAH might be around 14h 00m, and the return about 14h 45m - just within the 772's c
31 777ER : A CO or NZ flight from AKL with your departure times would allow for perfect connections to CO34 at 4.30pm and CO4 at 6.25pm to LHR. Since NZs long h
32 Alangirvan : Bearing in mind that from March ( if gossip is right), there will be a same plane service AKL-LAX-JFK, operated by the airline with a red tail, that i
33 DavidByrne : This may have more to do with the scheduling of DJ flights compared with the scheduling of EK flights. The DJ AKL-SYD flights give looooooooooooooooo
34 Alangirvan : Yes of course. Even more reason why VA should start their own AKL-LAX. Maybe borrow some SQ planes as interim lift, and they (777-200ERs) would be th
35 777ER : I'm starting to take a rumor I've heard with just a grain of salt, but has anyone else heard a rumor about an airline starting Tasman flights to IVC
36 Kiwiandrew : I think to be an attractive option for Queenstown bound pax their fares would have to be 'realdeals'
37 777ER : Well it was an Australian I heard it from!
38 AerorobNZ : If NZ got a GIG/GRU/LIM/BOG/CCS sector I'd jump over the moon. I love South America, and would go every few weeks if NZ started. Realistically tho Bra
39 NZ107 : Does anyone think that Air NZ AKL-GIG is on the cards by the 2016 Olympic Games? It'll be interesting to see if they do this. And I would think it'd b
40 DavidByrne : Didn't go by the name of REALDEAL or ECONOMICS by any chance?
41 TG992 : I think the awarding of the games to GIG would be a HUGE point in their favour when competing amongst the other 22 routes NZ monitor. Certainly ahead
42 SunriseValley : According to Amadeus there is one at 1750 arr EWR about 22.30
43 AirbusA322 : Tiger will eventually serve New Zealand, providing it can get around the Regulatory Boundaries. Dont forget, they will only operate a return service A
44 777ER : Wouldn't have a clue if it was REALDEAL or not. I got an e-mail from the a.net email system. On another note, is this the week coming that we hear ab
45 Alangirvan : If Tiger have a plane available, the time would be about 4 hours 10 in one direction and 4 hours 50 in the other, so Tiger would be able to operate i
46 Alangirvan : I wonder if anyone has heard any figures as to whether our Dunedin to Brisbane is doing any better? The services have launched after the midyear brea
47 Alangirvan : Continiuing about airlines that might start or return to NZ - how about Garuda? If we look at another forum, a highly respected contributor who issues
48 Zkpilot : Asiana (ICN-AKL) would be a contender... they have flown here previously and there is currently only KE serving the market. There are a lot of pax fr
49 DavidByrne : I was using E-Skyguide, which for the week of 21 June 2010 (just because thta happened to be the week that I chose). However, looking at the CO timet
50 Alangirvan : I had a quick look at Great Circles. One of the possibilities for NZ Brazil flights might be connecting South Americans to Asia via Auckland. The map
51 DavidByrne : I think I read in another thread that JL was going to stop its Brazil (GRU?)-JFK-NRT through flights. Maybe not enough local traffic between JFK and
52 Zkpilot : IIRC Kman was advocating this a year or so ago? Another destination (which NZ doesn't fly to right now but has previously and might again with 787s i
53 DavidByrne : NZ management were also talking publicly about the potential for capturing part of the Brazil-Asia market a few years ago when they spoke expansively
54 Alangirvan : The Great Circle Mapper shows AKL-GRU as 7400 miles. This could be done with current equipment, could it not, though I do not know about winds and div
55 ANstar : My understanding is that BNE-DUD loads have actually been very good. As for poor loads on the HLZ flights... lets not write it off after 1 month of o
56 777ER : HLZ and DUD have two different market conditions. HLZ is within an easy drive of AKL and I wouldn't be surprised if many HLZ residents still drive to
57 DavidByrne : For NZ, I hope that serving ROT Transtasman is a serious attempt to replicate their success in serving ZQN from Australia - aiming at a tourist marke
58 EDICHC : I'm sure you mean PR. Can only see a PR to MNL working, nor CRK. CRK does not have the level of connectivity that MNL has, and those connections woul
59 NZ107 : Yes, I mean PR. Why I stated CRK in there was because when the NZ and Philippines Govts met to discuss bilaterals and everything, the plan was to get
60 EDICHC : I've never quite understood the infatuation with CRK, it's simply too far from Metro Manila...please don't get me stared on transport links lest I se
61 NZ107 : When I first heard about this Clark Airbase, I searched it on Google Maps and found it to be in the wops.. If Manila had the efficiency of say HKG, i
62 Alangirvan : Important difference is that Rotorua is a tourism icon, HLZ is all ex NZ traffic. Does Hamilton have a profile in Australia? Rotorua does. It is a pl
63 777ER : Grab a Seat for the last few days have had $1 one way fares to at least two destinations. Today was CHC-ZQN in January and WLG-ROT-WLG in February. In
64 Post contains links Zkpilot : Haven't seen anyone mention the new Pac Blue ad.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSSyrr5x-Ns hmmm pretty well done... except that most people cringe
65 Alangirvan : People will have seen on another thread that the Mitsubishi Regional Jet has got a Letter of Intent from Trans State Airlines of the USA for 50 + 50.
66 NZ107 : It was mentioned in the previous thread but there wasn't any link up by then.. Great ad, I finally understood the words when I listened to it the 2nd
67 Koruman : I did advocate Air New Zealand operating half of a codeshared service from Brazil to Japan, but emphatically not Rio and even more emphatically not v
68 SunriseValley : A problem that I see on any AKL- South America service is alternate airports and the distance from them. The new EDTO standard is not as black and whi
69 Alangirvan : This is an interesting way to do it, though I am not sure why Air Tahiti Nui and TAM would feel any need to involve AirNZ. If AirTahiti Nui have some
70 777ER : Thanks for the link. I found that add very catchy after watching several times
71 Koruman : The reason for doing it the way I've advocated is that it reduces the risk for all three parties, for the following reasons: 1. Air Tahiti Nui alread
72 Alangirvan : Going back to this operational question - back in late 87 when I attended a couple of Diplomatic cocktail parties in Canberra (don't you know) I met
73 Koruman : At the risk of being just a touch narcissistic and grandiose, when exactly? The Shanghai and Beijing routes are proving such a success that Air NZ de
74 ZKOJH : Are we likely to see an increase in services to PVG next year with 'EXPO 2010' on , or does this route speak for itself??
75 Mariner : I very much hope they do persist with PVG and PEK. I would be extremely disappointed if they were dropped and I hope they add to them. mariner[Edited
76 Xiaotung : QF canceled MEL-PVG (and SYD-PEK) in favor of adding SYD-PVG to daily so they didn't actually give up on Mainland China. I know PVG is performing bett
77 Koruman : For the sake of comparison, I've just brought up on 'ExpertFlyer" availability on Air NZ's 777-operated flights AKL-PEK and LAX-LHR departing 24 Octob
78 Cchan : Maybe the belly of the aircraft is full to and from PEK?
79 Alangirvan : I should stress that Koruman's contributions are a very important part of the debate on this forum, and even when people ask him about some of his sta
80 Mariner : I surely hope so. If they had not dropped SIN I might feel differently, but it would be bizarre to me if Air New Zealand's only route to (non-Japan)
81 SunriseValley : And applications lodged to delay introduction of service or reduce service.
82 Koruman : I knew someone would say that! That's an argument to operate a freigher, not a passenger aircraft. And freighters which are full in one direction oft
83 TG992 : Their flights they operated after Tech Ops did their work operated via NAN? Cam Hawaiian do this successfully via NAN and would NZ codeshare on this
84 Koruman : Yup, but remember that they operate HNL-SYD 3x weekly? What you are describing is their subfleet of 767s acquired second-hand from LTU, which have sh
85 Zkpilot : um.... The 772 has the nicest interior of all 3 aircraft in economy (larger overhead bins, nicer lavs, wider aisles, wider seats) the only thing wher
86 Koruman : Try sitting in Economy on the 763 (2-3-2) or the 772 (3-3-3). I know which one I feel more comfortable in, and it isn't the 772! With the 763 you hav
87 Alangirvan : For that reason, I was saying Garuda might come to NZ, or they might just do deals with AirNZ to feed NZ passengers into Australian gateways.
88 ZK-NBT : Next 5 carriers to NZ. SAA JNB-AKL via PER with A346. 3 weekly MU PVG-AKL A332 3 weekly PR MNL-AKL via BNE A333 3 weekly DL LAX-AKL Daily B77E JJ GRU-
89 Post contains links 777ER : Kiwi's keen to visit Wellington - http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/new-ze...n-to-visit-Wellington-survey-shows In the article it also states the two top
90 Axio : I still feel that Delta should go with AKL - ATL. Assuming that flight can fit into their connecting schedule then it would be a significant advantag
91 NZ107 : Would these airlines have the rights for operating these routes? Is there a possibility they could operate this GRU-SYD nonstop? ie does the A345 hav
92 TG992 : Often freight can seal the deal, if they agreed to start China services and the deciding factor was freight in one direction why would you then put a
93 Koruman : Hi TG992, I'm really sorry if my post sounded forceful or aggressive, that was absolutely not my intention. Can I address some of the things we've bee
94 Zkpilot : It was my understanding that they have 32" on the 777 vs 34" on the 744
95 Koruman : The rear rows have 31 inches according to seatguru, although some of the forward ones have up to 33 inches. The 777 can be a great aircraft in Premiu
96 777ER : Since DL doesn't have the aircraft spare to provide enough feed for an AKL-ATL service within New Zealand/Australia, then Pacific Blue would be DLs b
97 Koruman : I've had another offbeat thought on the issue of Hawaii. Hawaiian have really put down strong roots in secondary West Coast markets like Sacramento,
98 777ER : People don't like changing aircraft at a stop over thou, so HA would need to take over NZs AKL-HNL flights to make this work easier
99 Cchan : Well, I have to agree with Koruman that the 767 has a better seat layout. For those who love window seats, getting through 2 persons to get to the to
100 Koruman : I've done a bit of research, and discovered that Air NZ's Premium Economy and Economy seats on the 777 are narrower than any seat in the entire Easyje
101 AerorobNZ : Big boned kiwi girls as Flight attendents??? :-P
102 RichardJF : Koruman - It's a great idea for NZ to take a 24.9% stake in HA.
103 TG992 : Wasn't taken that way. Hope you didn't take mine that way. I guess the 777 offers better economics than the 763 yet the 777 to hold these needs a 3-3
104 Koruman : Every business needs its bean counters, but I think with the 777-200ER they actually got to hold a bit too much sway at Air NZ. I can't criticise the
105 DavidByrne : Back in the DC10 days most carriers in my experience went with 2-5-2 for their economy section - I can't remember NZ's DC10s specifically, but I thin
106 NZ2 : I have to agree with all of the above, and disagree with Ground TG992 In fact I woudl say its the opposite, everyone I know prefers the 767 over 772
107 TG992 : It really is rather pointless comparing the 767 to the 777 as they are completely different aircraft with completely different operating costs, ranges
108 ANstar : British Airways have had a 2-4-2 PE seating config in their 777-200er's since before NZ even placed their order.
109 HLZCPH : I've done the 2-5-2 in a 777 (MH, KUL to AMS in 2001) and it feels crammed compared to 3-3-3. My opinion only of course. I prefer the feel of our 763
110 Kiwiandrew : Firstly there is no need to shout . Secondly your statement is incorrect , BA have had 2 4 2 premium economy seating in the 777 for ages.
111 Cchan : Years ago, I was on an AY MD11 with a 3-4-2 layout. Seems a bit strange, but that's not a bad idea. At least some window seat lovers can sit in the bl
112 Post contains links and images TG992 : Well I've never heard anyway ask for a 763 over a 777. In fact I've always had people want to travel the 777. Very. View Large View MediumPhoto ©
113 TG992 : And of course every seat ever made is still in production, available within the timeframe the airline requires it, and has no patents/copyrights/othe
114 TG992 : I attach a DIRECT QUOTE from the Premium Economy Programme Manager in the hopes that the issue will be put to bed. Had we had a better choice the opti
115 767ER : NZ's DC10s were initially configured 2-4- 2 then around 1979 they were reconfigured to 2-5- 2. I was speaking to an NZ FA months who flew the 10s and
116 ANstar : As I said above, BA managed to get a 2-4-2 seat on their 777's and VA manged to get one in time for their 777 delvieries. If I rememebr correctly NZ
117 ZK-NBT : I'd like to think something like that, I've been thinking along the same lines lately. NZ6 could operate say 2 days in winter and 4 in summer with a
118 Alangirvan : Air Asia X would be great, but how would they do it? The A330s cannot do Malaysia to NZ non stop, and the A343s are tied up doing Europe. So they coul
119 Aerokiwi : Shouldn't the question be - which airline will pull out of New Zealand next? Not to be pessimistic, but codesharing's the way to go afterall, if you w
120 Dddale : On a different note, has there been any further development regarding the 737 replacement?
121 777ER : When I'm in the USA, I always try and fly UA as I've found them to be excellent on both domestic and atlantic B763 flights. I don't enjoy spending ne
122 ZKOJH : I think the only way their making money on the PEK route is by cargo, you just have to walk around all the super markets in Beijing theses day's spot
123 Viscount724 : If your research is based on SeatGuru.com, you can't rely on their information on things like seat width. There are various ways of measuring seat wi
124 Alangirvan : It is now two weeks since we were told that some regional planes, painted red might be flying around NZ. Is that another one that was a nice idea, but
125 SunriseValley : So.... who is or are they rotting and being thrown out ?
126 TG992 : Oh maybe you are guesing and have no idea what the issues are and why NZ couldn't do it. Ground TG992
127 777ER : I think from memory DJ738 did say in around three weeks expect an announcement, so there is still one more week to go
128 Alangirvan : Does anyone tell them they are just Chinese Gooseberries?
129 NZ1 : Decision to be made by the years end, with 1st aircraft in service late next year/early 2011. NZ1
130 TravellerPlus : Re the 777 PE seating, I presume NZ had a 16G certified twin seat unit at the time of the roll out. They are used on the upper deck of the 747. If the
131 Koruman : Ground TG992, I do believe that you accept that in good faith, but I have an alternative theory..... I suspect that there is a faction within Air NZ
132 ANstar : I am guessing - but you are coming out with statements saying it was not possible on the 777, yet other 777 operators had 2-4-2 seating certified and
133 777ER : Speaking of tables in Y+ and Business on the B777 and B744, does anyone else find the location of the table (im talking about the table attached to t
134 TG992 : ...and the fact refitting a cabin that has high %age sales figures and high customer satisfaction ratings would have cost $5m per aircraft. How can y
135 TG992 : Not me nor the Air TG992 but a Ground TG992
136 Koruman : I do understand that rationale, but the airline needs to understand that its Premium Economy product was only going to do that well when competitor a
137 PA515 : It is time you initiated your own username anyway. PA515
138 TG992 : I honestly believe that the airline realized your point very well, from back in the days when our First and Business Classes were industry-lagging du
139 SunriseValley : Perhaps you would summarize what you believe the improvements will be. Will the AVOD be touch screen controlled? The reason I ask is that I found on
140 Post contains links 777ER : Air NZ reservations, check-in system crashes and severe flight delays - http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2952...er-crash-chaos-for-Air-New-Zealand
141 LipeGIG : I do believe it's a good opportunity. GIG does not have any link to Asia and therefore, NZ could take a big advantage of a growing market between Aus
142 TG992 : The controller has a tendency to get jammed if stowed incorrectly by the previous occupant. Hopefully the new product will have seatback mounted cont
143 AerorobNZ : Oh Joy...work will be fun tonight...
144 Post contains links Zkpilot : The other night QF26 LAX-AKL had a birdstrike after takeoff and returned to LAX. Heres the thread: QF 744 Vs Pelican (pics) - LAX (by Zkpilot Oct 10 2
145 777ER : NZ453 to WLG is over 3 hours late, but that appears to be the only several delayed flight this afternoon/evening thanks to the computer system crash a
146 Koruman : I'm going to be a pain and disagree here too. The only plus point with the 320/767 AVOD is the touchscreen, but the vast reduction in available conte
147 RichardJF : There's a possibility for NZ to go there if only because QF is now running SYD-EZE meaning AKL-GRU or possibly GIG make quite a lot of sense for thei
148 TG992 : What does the available content of the 767 AVOD have to do with the controller being mounted on the seatback?
149 LipeGIG : As i mentioned, would be a very nice move considering South America is growing a lot. Of course GRU would be the natural choice being the big Star hu
150 Alangirvan : Well, GIG would be the best destination, because it is the city we have all heard about, but GRU is the one that would fill the Business Class seats w
151 Koruman : You've missed my point, I'm saying I pray that they don't introduce the newer, touchscreen IFE in place of the older one with more content, that's al
152 TG992 : I think you've missed mine - neither Sunrisevalley or I expressed any desire for the IFE system on the 767s to be fitted on the new aircraft, which is
153 LipeGIG : You can fill the business cabin in both markets, in Rio will be with mining and oil executives as well as wealthy Brazilians (as well as the opposite
154 TG992 : Do people watch these? LOL they have to be some of the worst destination videos I have seen! I would love us to producde new ones. Reading this mysel
155 Alangirvan : Any chance of continuing discussion about AVOD in a thread of its own? Take your own Ipod on board and watch whatever you want.
156 AerorobNZ : Iguassu has IGU on the Brazilian side, and IGR on the Argentine side. it's also in driving distance from either GRU/GIG. Many Overland Trucks as well
157 Koruman : Maybe I'm autistic, but when I'm flying short-haul Trans-Tasman to places which really don't excite me I like nothing better than to watch the old Co
158 Alangirvan : Talking about Destination Videos, has anyone ever shown the one about Gondolas that preceded the Life of Brian? On a plane? Or wouldn't they dare?
159 DavidByrne : I've certainly got no hard data on this, only gut feelings, but living in Auckland I'm constantly surprised by the number of Brazilians that I run in
160 Koruman : I'm going to get slaughtered for this, as it reflects my own doubts about China, but when I was in the USA three weeks ago I was surprised to hear th
161 767er : Koruman, You must be autistic if you watch those detination videos. They are simply dreadful. I would love NZ to produce them for such eye watering d
162 Post contains links Mariner : Why "slaughtered"? I'm simply puzzled as to your conclusion. The India's economic growth has been remarkable, but then so has China's. http://news.xi
163 Post contains links Kiwiandrew : Update on the NZ narrowbody fleet replacement - apparently a decision is expected early next month . http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=
164 Gasman : I completely agree. There hasn't been a recent flight for me in Biz Premier when I haven't wished the wine (quality and selection) was better. For th
165 Alangirvan : You will see the other thread that Airbus are looking at a possible re-engining of the A320 for 2015 with Boeing maybe on a similar timetable either
166 777ER : But can NZ compete with a 'sub-standard' fleet compared to DJ and JQs newer and flasher fleet till then?
167 NZ107 : Seems as though this is what's going to happen. The costs of renewing the leases and other costs could possibly outweigh holding off for a few more y
168 DavidByrne : I think the answer is "probably not". Right now, the 733s are perfectly bright, clean and more than acceptable in the minds of the majority travellin
169 SunriseValley : It seems to me that such projects are more likely to run late than on time. Before delaying the re-equipment and incurring the costs of the delay I w
170 LipeGIG : That's a valid point. But tourists in general preffer to fly as it's just 1h50min from GIG against 13h on a bus. We have 7 flights a day and may be 6
171 MD-90 : Indeed. On Nov. 14 I'm leaving for two weeks in New Zealand, flying BNA-LAX-AKL on the way over (AA/Qantas) and CHC-AKL-LAX-BNA on the way back (Jets
172 SunriseValley : But if BNA-IAH-AKL and return with CO/NZ with a 2-hr connection at IAH was available, would you have gone for it?
173 TG992 : To be honest I enjoy watching the LA one. Takes me back to when I was younger and did my first trip, like you I would love to get a copy online if an
174 Post contains links QF45 : Interesting "War of Words" on the tasman front... http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10602835 Are we seeing some frustra
175 777ER : I don't believe NZ can win the war well with DJ and JQ especially if either DJ or JQ decide to further expand into smaller regional markets or decide
176 Alangirvan : We are all guessing things about the fleet decision that we will all know in just a few weeks time (if the decision does not get deferred), but it wou
177 ZKOJH : Eagle Air to suspend Oamaru-Christchurch route Air New Zealand subsidiary Eagle Air today (12 OCT) confirmed that it is suspending its services betwee
178 AerorobNZ : Yep. I'm not a student but I'd love to go and work in Brazil if we start flying there... When I was there for 5 weeks in Jan/Feb the R$ was almost 1
179 ZKOJH : Winglets reduce Air NZ fuel bill Wing tips on its Boeing 767-300ER aircraft are reducing fuel consumption by more than expected, Air New Zealand says.
180 NZ107 : Interesting. If it does swing Boeing's way, I wonder if we'll also see the next 77W ordered at the same time. 19% is a lot! Great job on getting thos
181 MD-90 : If premium econ was available, yes, that sounds nice. Who says you have to go through LAX to get to New Zealand?
182 NZ107 : SFO's already an option..
183 777ER : Yes I'm also a velocity member, but I do more flights on NZ then DJ mostly because of NZs more extensive network. I've got many good reasons why DJ i
184 TG992 : Says it all then really doesn't it. You have very odd tastes! Some drink Lion Red while some drink Heineken. This is true I was actually referring to
185 Post contains links Viscount724 : The complete text of Fyfe's October 6 speech at the "Greener Skies" conference in HKG where he referred to EK's Tasman operations (without referring
186 NZ107 : It's a pity that in WLG, DJ has this rather small departure lounge in comparison to all of NZ's on the other pier. Same goes with AKL - it's a hell o
187 Alangirvan : At the smaller end of the market, Oamaru will be losing its Jetstream service to Christchurch. Load factors and yields not very good. I wonder if ther
188 TG992 : But overall I just listed a bunch of things that NZ do better than DJ with out much thought. Can you list that many things that DJ do better than NZ?
189 NZ107 : I'll reserve my comment until I experience DJ a few more times. I was basically trying to even up the argument because a lot of the debate above seem
190 TG992 : Can anyone tell me if they think the 764ER would be a good fit for NZ's fleet? I've always found it an interesting aircraft, mainly because of its poo
191 NZ107 : I think that the 772 overlaps its capabilities somewhat. And NZ already has that particular plane so its use in our fleet would seem limited. Sounds
192 Alangirvan : The 764 problem is that it loses range compared with 763 there are routes from NZ to Asia that the 764 could not do. Range was one reason 764 lost out
193 Post contains links 777ER : Air NZ to apologise to Erebus families - http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2964...NZ-to-apologise-to-Erebus-families The advantage for DJ and JQ using t
194 Dj738 : When Air NZ uses it's stand off gates on the ground floor (it might as well just be a corridor) at AKL its even more of a squeeze than DJ's lounge. A
195 777ER : The lounge that is used by Soundsair, Air2There.com, 1900D flights and nother airline which I can't think off, well that lounge gets very cramped qui
196 DavidByrne : I took a Sounds Air flight a couple of weeks ago to Picton, and noted that it appears that they also use that "lounge" (which is a very grand word fo
197 Vhqpa : I flew out of WLG the other day and the Gate 16/17 sterile area was full enough with the 1 737 flight. Hopefully with the expansion NZ can tidy it's
198 NZ107 : How often is that used? I'm never at the airport to see it being used.. But the main area upstairs where the vast majority of flights leave from has
199 Dj738 : Whenever I fly in and out of AKL (which can be several times a week) it's almost always in use...
200 777ER : One of the advantages WLG has over heaps of airports world wide is the gate are for NZ, JQ and DJ's B737A320 domestic flights enable family and frien
201 TG992 : The is the most ridiculous comparison I’ve ever heard of.. Can you imagine Mr Gold E who spends 300K sitting in 23A on a 737? No NZ see's both mark
202 NZ107 : Yes I am, but there's no harm for someone to sit there even if they were boarding in the old part. At least there are a lot more seats on the NZ side
203 Post contains links NZ107 : A very good read here: http://www.nzx.com/markets/NZSX/AIR/...0/Air-NZ-Investor-Day-Presentation Notably - April is the announcement of the new seats
204 Aerorobnz : Sitting forward of the wing is overrated. guaranteed every single seat in the space plus zone will be allocated, I'd rather sit row 16ABC with a spac
205 Cchan : I agree. In flight comfort, for any class and seat, is really down to who your neighbour is (or no neighbour). Even if you have the best seat with th
206 Dj738 : I personally much prefer sitting forward of the wing. It's quieter and smoother. And with the advent of Space+ on Air New Zealand's 737s, I find the
207 NZ107 : I hope that NZ will look to match the legroom for normal Economy of JQ/DJ (1 or 2 more inches) when they bring out the 738/A320. That extra inch or t
208 Post contains links NZ107 : Air NZ lowers domestic airfares Prices are coming down by up to 23%; new fare structure will see 2 types - smart saver and flexi plus, the latter of w
209 Post contains links Kiwiandrew : For todays marketing chuckle http://www.examiner.com/x-3584-Airli...go-nude-for-joint-inflight-musical I guess the link pretty well sums it up but her
210 TG992 : Of course you do, everyone does for various reasons but NZ looks after the premium market who keep us as the number one NZ airline. For that reason y
211 NZ107 : Well, not exactly: only a small amount of info has been released. There won't be anymore info until Monday but so far with the extra luggage and flex
212 Axio : As long as they aren't removing the baggage allowance for the saver fares...
213 NZ107 : Air New Zealand will never do that under the current management. They've built up this whole "nothing to hide" campaign based on loyalty and it would
214 Cchan : Is this "price cut" related to the rumour that some ATRs painted in red will start the competition in regional routes? I hope the new fares will see
215 DavidByrne : I wondered this, too. The NZ marketing machine seems to be working overtime the last few months, with quite impressive image and branding results. Le
216 ANstar : Seems the competition is getting to NZ! No airline reduces prices so dramtically by choice. Seems NZ are sufferring with the increased LCC competitio
217 Koruman : It's just spin - there is no actual price cut. The cheapest fares you can book via a travel agent have just tripled in cost. Meanwhile, there has bee
218 Kiwiandrew : Who books domestics through a travel agent anymore ? ( and I say that as a former travel agent )
219 777ER : Speaking of that rumor, its now been 3 weeks and stil we've heard nothing
220 Mariner : I do. I may be able to get a cheaper (or as cheap) fare doing it myself, but for me there's more to travel than just the airfare. Over the years, tra
221 Post contains links NZ107 : I actually think that the larger portion of the price cut was in relation to the fully flexi fares to come down to a level of what flexi saver was bu
222 Axio : I've not done a statistical survey of grab-a-seat, but there are routes that show up alot, and routes that don't. Seldom do I see AKL-PMR or anything
223 RichardJF : Why don't they try Oamaru-Timaru-Wellington?
224 RichardJF : Long term I see NZ and QF as the logical airlines to South America not LA and AR. Looking at your existing network Brazil makes lots of sense. 744 may
225 Post contains links 777ER : New Zealand Aviation Thread #64 (by 777ER Oct 16 2009 in Civil Aviation) thread 64
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