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N400DE Intercepted By F16s. Crashes In Indiana  
User currently offlineDiamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 63
Posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 17000 times:

A 2003 Mooney M20M with registration number N400DE was intercepted by United States F-16s before crashing in Indiana. The single-engine plane is registered for a Michigan corporation and departed from Grand Rapids, Michigan at 9:43a EDT and the last radar positions were received at 11:31am before crashing in Muncie, Indiana.

It is being reported by CNN and others that the pilot became unresponsive to radio calls and NORAD scrambled F-16s around 10am to intercept the aircraft. Sources speculate that the pilot may have had oxygen depravation or become otherwise incapacitated.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...U1zajJoGvMooM9xx_527XbZVAD9B1Q6M00

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...ALeqM5j-4DvVPXvhQOhJXP5XGdBvPEdf-g




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User currently offlineLrdc9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 16686 times:

Whoops . . .

RIP



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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 16562 times:

Tragic. Yrs back we had a similar accident, with a businessjet.

User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5998 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 16337 times:



Quoting Keesje (Reply 2):
Tragic. Yrs back we had a similar accident, with a businessjet.

Payne Stewarts learjet. I suppose this shows how 9/11 changed intercepts outside the ADIZ, since back then it took them over an hour to intercept the jet, this time they found him much quicker.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15739 posts, RR: 27
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 16150 times:



Quoting CPH-R (Reply 3):
Payne Stewarts learjet.

I remember hearing about that, as my dad was a fan of his. And his plane crashed near the town where I was born. Also, there have been a few other similar incidents over the years. Pretty sad, but honestly not the worst way to go. Simply pass out in a plane.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25300 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 16076 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 4):
Also, there have been a few other similar incidents over the years.

Notably the Helios Airways 737-300 near ATH in 2005 with 121 fatalities.
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20050814-0


User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 31
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 15878 times:



Quoting Keesje (Reply 2):
Tragic. Yrs back we had a similar accident, with a businessjet.

Just a couple months ago, many of us on this forum watched the tracks of a Cirrus flying from Iowa past it's destination in Indiana until its transponder stopped reporting position changes over West Virginia - via FlightAware.

The original post was by someone working in an ATC center about the concern for the pilot. Fighters from the ANG tried to intercept the plane and check on the pilot, but could not find it at night.

Never saw anything on the news or web, except the FAA incident report the next day.

The thread was removed a few hours later, probably at the request of the OP. Who should not have made a such a post in the first place.

It was not the first time I've followed position reports and updates as a plane flies toward destruction. Always an eerie feeling to watch it unfold and be completely unable to do anything.


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 15826 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 5):
Notably the Helios Airways 737-300 near ATH in 2005 with 121 fatalities.
http://aviation-safety.net/database/...814-0

That one was even worse..
At 11:49, the F-16's reported a person not wearing an oxygen mask entering the cockpit and occupying the captain's seat. The F-16 pilot tried to attract his attention without success. At 11:50, the left engine flamed out due to fuel depletion and the aircraft started descending. At 11:54, two Mayday messages were recorded on the CVR.
At 12:00, the right engine also flamed out at an altitude of approximately 7100 feet. The aircraft continued descending rapidly and impacted hilly terrain.


User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2004 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 15524 times:



Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 6):
The original post was by someone working in an ATC center about the concern for the pilot. Fighters from the ANG tried to intercept the plane and check on the pilot, but could not find it at night.

The F16s came from the 180th Ohio ANG based out of TOL. I'm willing to bet the Stingers also responded to this one as they actively patrol this region.


User currently offlineType-Rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 5033 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 15302 times:

I didn't even know that a Mooney M20 could reach 25K feet. I thought it's service ceiling would be around 16,000.


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User currently offlineDiamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 63
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 15001 times:



Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 9):
I didn't even know that a Mooney M20 could reach 25K feet. I thought it's service ceiling would be around 16,000.



Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 6):
Just a couple months ago, many of us on this forum watched the tracks of a Cirrus flying from Iowa past it's destination in Indiana until its transponder stopped reporting position changes over West Virginia

25,000 ft. seems to be the magic number. This situation is very similar to the West Virginia incident which happened on 7/31. In both cases the aircraft flew right over their intended desitnations and continued climbing to about 25,000 until they crashed.

7/31 incident:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N...S/history/20090730/2110Z/KJYR/KEYE

Today's incident:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N.../20090930/1410Z/KGRR/KMIE/tracklog



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13113 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 14864 times:

Could have been an exhaust leak, perhaps from a cockpit heater that caused a CO2 poisoning. Either that or a heart attack or a stroke. Hopefully the pilot didn't suffer and we are lucky he landed in a way so not to kill others.

User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 14350 times:



Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 8):
The F16s came from the 180th Ohio ANG based out of TOL. I'm willing to bet the Stingers also responded to this one as they actively patrol this region

- I'm surprised the ANG F-16s out of FWA we not called.

- I live about an hour south of MIE and did not hear a word about it (although I really have not been watching local news).

David



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User currently offlineBalZ18 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 11232 times:



Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 12):
Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 8):
The F16s came from the 180th Ohio ANG based out of TOL. I'm willing to bet the Stingers also responded to this one as they actively patrol this region

- I'm surprised the ANG F-16s out of FWA we not called.

- I live about an hour south of MIE and did not hear a word about it (although I really have not been watching local news).

David

FWA's jets don't usually sit on alert unless its drill weekend. TOL on the other hand does 24hrs a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year.



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User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 31
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 10790 times:



Quoting Diamond (Reply 10):
25,000 ft. seems to be the magic number.

Both aircraft were the turbocharged version. 25K is apparently the highest altitude that this type of aircraft is certified. Though of course one issue is an unpressurized cabin at that altitude and having to be on oxygen.

The Cirrus Specs - http://cirrusaircraft.com/turbo/specifications.aspx
The Mooney Specs - http://www.pilotfriend.com/aircraft%20performance/Mooney/56.htm

25K is also the service ceiling for the Piper Malibu piston, the Cessna 400 Corvalis TT, the Commander 115TC, the EADS Socata TB-21 TC


User currently offlineMD80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 10021 times:

Payne Stewart was -pre- 9-11. Too bad the F-16s couldn't have been more on the ball that particular day.

User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2004 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 9857 times:



Quoting BalZ18 (Reply 13):
FWA's jets don't usually sit on alert unless its drill weekend. TOL on the other hand does 24hrs a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year.

I was told Wednesdays are usually training days at TOL and the local rag said the Indiana ANG responded. The 180th took over the active alert status about a year ago from Selfridge north of Detroit. Did Selfridge close or did they just move missions around?


User currently offlineFrequentFlyKid From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 9791 times:

What would those F16's have been able to do if they had been "on the ball?"

User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 9622 times:

Home reg is ADA, Michigan, just east of GRR airport.
Ada is the home of Amway Corp.
I wonder.........................
safe



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User currently offlineNWAdeicer From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 174 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8331 times:

SInce the local paper has identified who owns the plane I feel it can be shared now. The plane is registered to a prominent family in the Lansing area, the Eyde family. They are well known developers. The plane was registered to the 42 year old son of Lou Eyde who lives in Ada, just outside of Grand Rapids. I have known this family for about 25 years, a great family to say the least.


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User currently offlineOneToGo From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7720 times:



Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 12):

- I'm surprised the ANG F-16s out of FWA we not called.

Exactly what I thought as well.

Quoting BalZ18 (Reply 13):
FWA's jets don't usually sit on alert unless its drill weekend. TOL on the other hand does 24hrs a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year.

Interesting. The FWA base always seemed pretty formidable.


User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5998 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7646 times:



Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 12):
- I'm surprised the ANG F-16s out of FWA we not called.

Does the ANG at FWA have fighters on alert status? Or are they merely on combat ready status?


User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7017 times:



Quoting CPH-R (Reply 21):
Does the ANG at FWA have fighters on alert status? Or are they merely on combat ready status

- I do not know the details of the rutine and training regement of the unit at FWA but everytime I have been to that airport (FWA) or nearby there has always been activity on the ANG ramp and I have seen F16s flying on several different days of the week. I could be just lucky I guess.

David



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User currently offlineBalZ18 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6664 times:



Quoting CPH-R (Reply 21):
Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 12):
- I'm surprised the ANG F-16s out of FWA we not called.

Does the ANG at FWA have fighters on alert status? Or are they merely on combat ready status?

The have two jets in the alert shack that are armed. However, they do not have a set of crews on standby. My father flew with the 180th before transfering to Springfield, OH ANG. On the weekends (that are not drill) the base is completely dead. Having said that during the week it really is hit and miss. The base can be dead some days and others not a sole. The hours there are usually 5am-4pm (any other time and ya... empty). Unless the are night flying then everything is messed up. Hahaha and the Blacksnakes are a formidable group beleive me haha.



First class or no class...
User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3081 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6395 times:

permalink
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N...E/history/20090930/1410Z/KGRR/KMIE

I think the highest certified Mooney was the 252 at a 28,000 feet.

Two times this year, fighter jets from the Louisiana ANG F-15 159th Fighter Wing (Bayou Militia) were used to intercept GA planes. First was the Piper that the guy parachuted out of and the plane crashed in Florida, and the other was the stolen 172 out of Canada that landed in Missouri. As far as I know, we have 2 F-15's on full standby at all times and they can be scrambled in minutes.



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25 Type-Rated : But the Mooney aircraft that was involved in the crash was a Mooney M20M, not a Bravo DX. But still, a M20M can reach 24,000 feet, surprisingly. I ha
26 MD80fanatic : More than what they accomplished sitting on the ground. Tailing the lumbering 767s produces options, many of which could have reduced significantly t
27 EMBQA : He was talking about the Payne Stewart accident
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