PA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1966 posts, RR: 25 Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3873 times:
Quoting Airstud (Reply 6): So what exactly is an Interline agreement, and does it not anger SA)">UA, US, and soon SA)">CO - the other domestic US carriers in South African's own alliance?
An interline agreement is a commercial agreement between airlines on how to handle passengers traveling between carriers on the same journey. It involves acceptance of each other's tickets, and baggage. Many low cost / budget carriers opt not to have ANY interline agreements. As a result, tickets are not transferable, and bags cannot be through checked between flights involving other airlines.
I suspect SA approached VX in order to obtain extra trans-con lift. UA service to JFK, particularly in economy is limited due to the P.S. configuration. Likewise UA service to/from IAD feeds quite a few of UA's own transatlantic flights. There are times when transcon space gets tight. By signing an interline agreement with VX, SA has secured additional feed to it's North American flights.
FlyIGuy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 896 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3648 times:
Quoting PA110 (Thread starter): Just received from SA sales this morning. SA now has an interline agreement with VX for transcons from SFO/LAX to both JFK and IAD. This came out of the blue, but is a very pleasant surprise.
I can tell you that this will put a bitter taste in Uniteds mouth especially since UA lets SA use it's FIS facility at IAD when the flight arrives in the morning for connecting passengers...And if UA really wants to get nasty and make a point then they will make the VX passengers use the IAB facilities to go thru customs and have to recheck their bags in and go thru security all over again...Eventually no one will want to connect thru IAD onto VX due to all the hassle...
Just my 0.02
The opinions I post are of mine and mine alone, not of the airline I work for.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 23500 posts, RR: 50 Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3473 times:
Its an Interline agreement. Even VX says so itself in a press release.
Quote: Virgin America Signs Interline Agreement With South African Airways
October 1, 2009,
Virgin America, the award-winning California-based airline, and South African Airways (SAA) have implemented an interline agreement offering seamless travel on the networks of each carrier - across their United States (U.S.) and transatlantic routes.
Rjnut From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1177 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3290 times:
Quoting TBYO787 (Reply 11): believe it will be a code-share. I dont see the way to interline with a ticketless Airlines.
Interlines are for airlines that uses E-Tickets or are belong to ARC/BSP
Makes no sense at all.
as long as the VX segnment is ticketed on SA stock it can be done. You just cant issue an E ticket on VX by itself. We do this alot with Cape Air...I validate the whole ticket on Northwest, for example, but if I want simply a Cape AIr flight by itself , i have to book on their website or book thru the GDS and then call in the payment!
AirNovaBAe146 From Canada, joined Jun 2008, 357 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3024 times:
Does SA have plans to keep flying to JFK or transition the NYC flight to EWR now that Continental is joining Star (late Oct). CO's EWR hub would be about the easiest way to access US destinations, if I were a pax from SA.
TBYO787 From Colombia, joined Feb 2008, 195 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2711 times:
Quoting Rjnut (Reply 14): as long as the VX segnment is ticketed on SA stock it can be done. You just cant issue an E ticket on VX by itself. We do this alot with Cape Air...I validate the whole ticket on Northwest, for example, but if I want simply a Cape AIr flight by itself , i have to book on their website or book thru the GDS and then call in the payment!
Do you work for NW? Right. Because we as Travel agents can not ticket 9K Electronically. Only Paper in other Airline Stock. (I use 1A)
Rjnut From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1177 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2475 times:
Quoting TBYO787 (Reply 16): Do you work for NW? Right. Because we as Travel agents can not ticket 9K Electronically. Only Paper in other Airline Stock. (I use 1A)
I work on Worldspan and do it all the time!! why would I make it up!? i work in a corporate travel office.
but i can tell you that I cannot E ticket F9 and its code sharepartner Great Lakes electronically,but Sabre can, so all GDS are different!
It is an agreement between Lufthansa, United and Continental whereby they are feeding each others' flights, to LH benefit and SA detriment because the two US carriers are feeding South Africa-bound pax through FRA instead of onto SA from IAD and JFK.
After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says WTF...
25 9252fly: It's just my opinion,but I think SA would do well by having it's two North American hubs at EWR and IAH providing CO code-shared and provided connect
26 Andz: Now that I see your flag, Air Canada is also part of the Atlantic Plus-Plus agreement.
27 SA7700: Thanks for the info Andz And they have ATI + revenue sharing (LH, UA, CO and AC) on TATL flights..... so much for co-operation within Star Alliance R
28 Andz: The article I read in the SAA Flight Operations magazine 'Intercom' states "Guess what, the two US carriers are now funnelling all their business to
29 LAXintl: There is plenty of cooperation in Star. Simply put feeding via FRA is better business proposition for the partners at the moment. For SA to gain more
30 9252fly: The TATL ATI agreement doesn't stop those carriers from connecting passengers to and from SA at FRA MUC and LHR. From a revenue point of view there is
31 I380North: What is the point of joining *A if your members will not feed your non-stop JFK-JNB route? I think the addition of VX is good move in the right direc
32 LAXintl: I don't think SA was ever under much of an allusion that is would get feed at JFK from Star as the alliance basically has near zero domestic presence
33 SA7700: I agree with you on this one. With CO joining Star, SA should benefit much more, moving from JFK to EWR. Just MHO Rgds SA7700