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SA Announces Interline Agreement With VX  
User currently onlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1979 posts, RR: 24
Posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4522 times:
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Just received from SA sales this morning. SA now has an interline agreement with VX for transcons from SFO/LAX to both JFK and IAD. This came out of the blue, but is a very pleasant surprise.


It's been swell, but the swelling has gone down.
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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8416 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4507 times:
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I don't get it. A Colombian airline for US transcontinental flights?


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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2887 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4497 times:

VX is Virgin America. The hover feature on A.net has not been updated.

User currently onlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1979 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4489 times:
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Quoting Andz (Reply 1):
I don't get it. A Colombian airline for US transcontinental flights?

Looks like airline coding hasn't been updated. VX = Virgin America. Aces (Colombia) went belly-up quite a while ago (back in 2003).

[Edited 2009-10-01 10:58:58]


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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8416 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4455 times:
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The dangers of using jargon. Thanks for the clarification.


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24325 posts, RR: 47
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4380 times:

Remember its merely and Interline agreement. Not code share, joint venture, or any special sales preference.

The larger airlines hold hundreds of such interline agreements which simply allow same ticket to be used for the full itinerary and acceptance of transfer bags.



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User currently offlineAirstud From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2557 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4318 times:

So what exactly is an Interline agreement, and does it not anger UA, US, and soon CO - the other domestic US carriers in South African's own alliance?

[Edited 2009-10-01 11:51:51]


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User currently onlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1979 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4234 times:
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Quoting Airstud (Reply 6):
So what exactly is an Interline agreement, and does it not anger SA)">UA, US, and soon SA)">CO - the other domestic US carriers in South African's own alliance?

An interline agreement is a commercial agreement between airlines on how to handle passengers traveling between carriers on the same journey. It involves acceptance of each other's tickets, and baggage. Many low cost / budget carriers opt not to have ANY interline agreements. As a result, tickets are not transferable, and bags cannot be through checked between flights involving other airlines.


I suspect SA approached VX in order to obtain extra trans-con lift. UA service to JFK, particularly in economy is limited due to the P.S. configuration. Likewise UA service to/from IAD feeds quite a few of UA's own transatlantic flights. There are times when transcon space gets tight. By signing an interline agreement with VX, SA has secured additional feed to it's North American flights.

[Edited 2009-10-01 12:43:29]


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User currently offlineFlyIGuy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1023 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4009 times:



Quoting PA110 (Thread starter):
Just received from SA sales this morning. SA now has an interline agreement with VX for transcons from SFO/LAX to both JFK and IAD. This came out of the blue, but is a very pleasant surprise.

I can tell you that this will put a bitter taste in Uniteds mouth especially since UA lets SA use it's FIS facility at IAD when the flight arrives in the morning for connecting passengers...And if UA really wants to get nasty and make a point then they will make the VX passengers use the IAB facilities to go thru customs and have to recheck their bags in and go thru security all over again...Eventually no one will want to connect thru IAD onto VX due to all the hassle...

Just my 0.02



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24325 posts, RR: 47
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4008 times:



Quoting Airstud (Reply 6):
and does it not anger UA, US, and soon CO - the other domestic US carriers in South African's own alliance?

No - just about every significant airline (sans Southwest) has broad interline agreements.
Star members with Skyteam with OneWorld etc.

Interline agreements are extremely basic and go back to the 1940s atleast.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineAviators99 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3905 times:

http://sanfrancisco.bizjournals.com/...co/stories/2009/09/28/daily83.html

This article calls it a "code-share", but it's probably mistaken.


User currently offlineTBYO787 From Colombia, joined Feb 2008, 195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3847 times:

I believe it will be a code-share. I dont see the way to interline with a ticketless Airlines.
Interlines are for airlines that uses E-Tickets or are belong to ARC/BSP

Makes no sense at all.

TBYO787


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24325 posts, RR: 47
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3834 times:

Its an Interline agreement. Even VX says so itself in a press release.

Quote:
Virgin America Signs Interline Agreement With South African Airways
October 1, 2009,

Virgin America, the award-winning California-based airline, and South African Airways (SAA) have implemented an interline agreement offering seamless travel on the networks of each carrier - across their United States (U.S.) and transatlantic routes.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Virgin...ns-prnews-2843358322.html?x=0&.v=1



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2135 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3818 times:

How is SAA doing with their morning departure from JFK?

User currently offlineRjnut From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3651 times:



Quoting TBYO787 (Reply 11):
believe it will be a code-share. I dont see the way to interline with a ticketless Airlines.
Interlines are for airlines that uses E-Tickets or are belong to ARC/BSP

Makes no sense at all.

TBYO787

as long as the VX segnment is ticketed on SA stock it can be done. You just cant issue an E ticket on VX by itself. We do this alot with Cape Air...I validate the whole ticket on Northwest, for example, but if I want simply a Cape AIr flight by itself , i have to book on their website or book thru the GDS and then call in the payment!


User currently offlineAirNovaBAe146 From Canada, joined Jun 2008, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3385 times:

Does SA have plans to keep flying to JFK or transition the NYC flight to EWR now that Continental is joining Star (late Oct). CO's EWR hub would be about the easiest way to access US destinations, if I were a pax from SA.

AN


User currently offlineTBYO787 From Colombia, joined Feb 2008, 195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3072 times:



Quoting Rjnut (Reply 14):
as long as the VX segnment is ticketed on SA stock it can be done. You just cant issue an E ticket on VX by itself. We do this alot with Cape Air...I validate the whole ticket on Northwest, for example, but if I want simply a Cape AIr flight by itself , i have to book on their website or book thru the GDS and then call in the payment!

Do you work for NW? Right. Because we as Travel agents can not ticket 9K Electronically. Only Paper in other Airline Stock. (I use 1A)

TBYO787


User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8416 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3038 times:
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Quoting AirNovaBAe146 (Reply 15):
Does SA have plans to keep flying to JFK

SA plans to fly non stop JNB-JFK soon. Watch this space.



After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says WTF...
User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3002 times:



Quoting Andz (Reply 17):
SA plans to fly non stop JNB-JFK soon. Watch this space.

The perfect route for all those unwanted A345's.


User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8416 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2991 times:
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Quoting 9252fly (Reply 18):
The perfect route for all those unwanted A345's

SA won't buy 345s. They will do it with 346s.



After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says WTF...
User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2960 times:



Quoting Andz (Reply 19):
SA won't buy 345s. They will do it with 346s.

When the A346's joined the fleet,was the original plan to operate these aircraft non-stop JNB-JFK? I suppose for competitive reasons,ie DL, SA will accept a payload penalty.


User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8416 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2915 times:
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There have been various reasons why it hasn't been done up to now. DL, AA and other factors such as Atlantic Plus-Plus are influencing the decision to do it now.


After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says WTF...
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3432 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2897 times:
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Sorry for going off-topic here

Quoting Andz (Reply 21):
DL,

Don't quote me on this, but I have heard a rumor that Delta enjoyed an average pax load factor of 90% during its first 100 days of non-stop JNB-ATL flights.

Quoting Andz (Reply 21):
Atlantic Plus-Plus are influencing the decision to do it now.

What is Atlantic Plus-Plus?   


Does anybody have an idea what kind of payload hit the A346 is going to take out of JNB-JFK non-stop?


Rgds

SA7700

[Edited 2009-10-03 02:00:23]


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User currently offlineRjnut From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2836 times:



Quoting TBYO787 (Reply 16):
Do you work for NW? Right. Because we as Travel agents can not ticket 9K Electronically. Only Paper in other Airline Stock. (I use 1A)

TBYO787



I work on Worldspan and do it all the time!! why would I make it up!? i work in a corporate travel office.
but i can tell you that I cannot E ticket F9 and its code sharepartner Great Lakes electronically,but Sabre can, so all GDS are different!


User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8416 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2756 times:
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Quoting SA7700 (Reply 22):
What is Atlantic Plus-Plus?

It is an agreement between Lufthansa, United and Continental whereby they are feeding each others' flights, to LH benefit and SA detriment because the two US carriers are feeding South Africa-bound pax through FRA instead of onto SA from IAD and JFK.



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25 9252fly : It's just my opinion,but I think SA would do well by having it's two North American hubs at EWR and IAH providing CO code-shared and provided connect
26 Andz : Now that I see your flag, Air Canada is also part of the Atlantic Plus-Plus agreement.
27 SA7700 : Thanks for the info Andz And they have ATI + revenue sharing (LH, UA, CO and AC) on TATL flights..... so much for co-operation within Star Alliance R
28 Andz : The article I read in the SAA Flight Operations magazine 'Intercom' states "Guess what, the two US carriers are now funnelling all their business to
29 LAXintl : There is plenty of cooperation in Star. Simply put feeding via FRA is better business proposition for the partners at the moment. For SA to gain more
30 9252fly : The TATL ATI agreement doesn't stop those carriers from connecting passengers to and from SA at FRA MUC and LHR. From a revenue point of view there is
31 I380North : What is the point of joining *A if your members will not feed your non-stop JFK-JNB route? I think the addition of VX is good move in the right direc
32 LAXintl : I don't think SA was ever under much of an allusion that is would get feed at JFK from Star as the alliance basically has near zero domestic presence
33 SA7700 : I agree with you on this one. With CO joining Star, SA should benefit much more, moving from JFK to EWR. Just MHO Rgds SA7700
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