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Republic To Purchase US E190s?  
User currently offlineLoggat From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 666 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8647 times:

I only put the question mark in the title because there has not been an official press release yet...

However, it seems RAH will be purchasing the E190s from US (rumor has it at 10-12 to start and the rest later). This could all be a convenient coincidence that RAH is adding E190s and has not made any press release orders with Embraer. US was, of course, talking about selling the E190s to raise cash not more than a few weeks ago.

Just to point out, RAH will not operate the E190s for US, as that is scope protected by the US pilots. They will be repainted and refitted to either have animals on the tails or have a large amount of blue on them.

If you're wondering my source, I'm an RAH pilot and spoke to some colleagues of mine who ran into BB this morning in MKE.


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User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8579 times:

Yeah, US selling 10 E190s, haven't announced to who yet but all signs lead to Republic.

Announcement will come soon.



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User currently offlineRidgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8520 times:

It was in USA today about it as well, although they didn't name the carrier purcahsing the e190s.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/sky/2009/1...-190s-airlines-president-says.html


User currently offlinePHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1250 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8445 times:

Someone from RAH - Maybe from Engineering. Was on property looking at several E190s a few days ago.

Done deal.


User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8425 times:

They want to sell all of them though, so we might see another deal in few months.


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User currently offlineLuv08 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8263 times:



Quoting Loggat (Thread starter):
Just to point out, RAH will not operate the E190s for US, as that is scope protected by the US pilots. They will be repainted and refitted to either have animals on the tails or have a large amount of blue on them.

IMO, I would say the majority of these E-190's would probably be painetd in F9 colors with some airbuses already moving to MKE soon and more capacity cuts at DEN to move more to MKE they will need a few of the 190's in DEN.


User currently offlineAntoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1608 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8227 times:



Quoting Luv08 (Reply 5):
IMO, I would say the majority of these E-190's would probably be painetd in F9 colors with some airbuses already moving to MKE soon and more capacity cuts at DEN to move more to MKE they will need a few of the 190's in DEN.

What makes you so sure that F9 will cut capacity at DEN? With some of these aircraft plus the rest of their fleet they could ADD capacity at DEN, even with the 5 Airbii being shifted to MKE (and those will continue to rotate through F9's system for the near future anyway).

In fact, that would be more in keeping with F9's shift towards larger capacity aircraft and the fact that they were already planning on growing the fleet, even with the A318 removals.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25710 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8210 times:
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Quoting Antoniemey (Reply 6):
In fact, that would be more in keeping with F9's shift towards larger capacity aircraft and the fact that they were already planning on growing the fleet, even with the A318 removals.

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Just as I wonder when Republic will announce this, I wonder when Frontier will announce the new A320's that are coming?

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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8189 times:



Quoting Luv08 (Reply 5):
...would say the majority of these E-190's would probably be painetd in F9 colors

Don't count on it because that is not going to happen at the moment. And there is no capacity cuts as the 19's will be rotated around F9's system anyway.



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User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4317 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7858 times:



Quoting IliriBDL (Reply 4):
They want to sell all of them though, so we might see another deal in few months

I am not entirely convinced of this. Scott Kirby today said in an employee memo that the 190 is the perfect aircraft to keep around to better match capacity with demand and keep it restrained. I think they plan to keep the other 15 190's on the property for a while longer. There is a significant capacity gap between the 175 and the A319 that the 190 fits perfectly. I do not see them making the same mistake that AA made with the F100's.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25710 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7532 times:
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According to TheStreet.com, the US pilots aren't happy about the planned sale, and that it is "meeting resistance":

http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/stor...cm_ven=YAHOO&cm_cat=FREE&cm_ite=NA

"US Airways(LCC Quote) says it will sell 10 of its 25 Embraer190s, a move that is meeting resistance from pilots who say the carrier is already below agreed-upon flying-time levels."

mariner



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User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7455 times:



Quoting Apodino (Reply 9):
I am not entirely convinced of this.

Who knows, I guess we'll find out. Another idea is that they'll get some airbuses like A319 or A320 to replace the E190s.



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User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7094 times:



Quoting Apodino (Reply 9):
I am not entirely convinced of this. Scott Kirby today said in an employee memo that the 190 is the perfect aircraft to keep around to better match capacity with demand and keep it restrained. I think they plan to keep the other 15 190's on the property for a while longer. There is a significant capacity gap between the 175 and the A319 that the 190 fits perfectly. I do not see them making the same mistake that AA made with the F100's.

The E190 is a great aircraft for US but it is the only aircraft Kirby can use to cut capacity without violating the transition agreement. Right now the pilots union is preventing US from cutting capacity where it needs to be cut and US can't do anything about it until there is a joint pilot contract. The E190 didn't fall under the transition agreement so it is the only aircraft that can be cut without violating that agreement. Kirby has said over and over that US MUST make cuts to be profitable and the pilots just don't seem to listen so again the only thing he can do is cut the E190 flying and it appears that he is going to do it and maybe get rid of the entire fleet. In the long run this will hurt US but there is no other choice right now since the pilots aren't willing to work it out with management.

Quoting IliriBDL (Reply 11):
Who knows, I guess we'll find out. Another idea is that they'll get some airbuses like A319 or A320 to replace the E190s.

Where did this "other idea" come from? There is no such idea, they are trying to cut capacity not gain more!



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26175 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5445 times:

Seems like its just about a done deal ---

Employee announcement:

Quote:
An Important Message from President Scott Kirby

Dear Fellow Employees:

At our last State of the Airline employee meeting, Doug shared with all of you that we would be exploring the possibility of selling our 25 Embraer190 aircraft. I am writing today to let you know that we are close to finalizing an agreement to sell ten of these aircraft to another carrier.

While this is the right move for our company, it will impact some of our co-workers and that is a decision none of us makes easily. Even though the airline industry is beginning to see improvement in the business environment, our industry is a long way from returning to sustainable profitability. The revenue environment remains challenging and the E-190 capacity presents the only flexibility we have to further reduce capacity to right size supply with demand.

Because we wanted to keep all employees informed about the status of the E-190 fleet, we wanted to let you know where this stands today. Removing ten E-190s from our fleet will reduce flying and have an impact on staffing levels in a number of employee groups and locations. We are still working on the revised schedule and will announce changes as soon as we know them. We realize that people need to know what is happening and how it may impact their lives, and we are committed to getting you that information as soon as we have firm answers to all of the questions you might have.

These are challenging times, but these are the necessary and right steps to take for our airline. We feel very good about the airline we are running (first in on-time among the network carriers year to date) and I thank all of you for delivering every day on our goals. As we continue to run a great airline, and in spite of the uncertainty of the economic challenges, the best thing for all of us to do is remain focused on doing our best to take care of our customers and continue running one of the industry’s on-time performing airlines.




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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5338 times:
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Quoting Antoniemey (Reply 6):

In fact, that would be more in keeping with F9's shift towards larger capacity aircraft and the fact that they were already planning on growing the fleet, even with the A318 removals.

How many 318s are they going to remove from the fleet? It's a very niche a/c and thought F9 had some routes it was perfect for as well as being able to have the versatility to change equipment depending on flcuating capacity.

Good for F9/RP/YX not so good for US regarding the E90s. It's a shame dear 'ole Dougie doesn't bring any of them out west.


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2908 posts, RR: 31
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5313 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 14):
It's a shame dear 'ole Dougie doesn't bring any of them out west.

That it is. The E-190 would be a very nice upgrade from those awful Mesa CRJ-900s!



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25710 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5305 times:
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Quoting LACA773 (Reply 14):
How many 318s are they going to remove from the fleet?

Frontier's intention was to exchange all the A318's with A320's. I haven't heard an update on this since Republic took over.

Three more A320's are coming (to Frontier) early next year, but I think the remaining A318's are staying, at least for a while.

mariner



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26175 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5087 times:

While the initial 10-E190s would be to cover to YX 717s, I cant imagine in the long run US keeping a mere 15 orphan E190s, so I could see a option clause for Republic to getting the remainng birds in the future.

How about E190s swap out the A318s at F9?



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User currently offlinePBIflyguy From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 248 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4926 times:



Quoting Luv08 (Reply 5):
IMO, I would say the majority of these E-190's would probably be painetd in F9 colors with some airbuses already moving to MKE soon and more capacity cuts at DEN to move more to MKE they will need a few of the 190's in DEN.

Well, I found an E90 from ATL-DEN starting on 11/3/09. Operating with a F9 four digit flight number and shows as operated as Republic... and yes, it is replacing a flight that used to operate with a 318.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25710 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4879 times:
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Quoting PBIflyguy (Reply 18):
Well, I found an E90 from ATL-DEN starting on 11/3/09.

As of November 3, 4 x Frontier A319's go to MKE to start flying some Midwest routes and 4 x E190's go to DEN to fly some of Frontier's frequencies.

On November 19, it will be 5 x A319's at MKE and 5 x E190's at DEN.

It has been covered in the Frontier threads and also (I think) in Enilria's excellent OAG threads.

mariner



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User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2266 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4877 times:



Quoting Loggat (Thread starter):
repainted and refitted to either have animals on the tails or have a large amount of blue on them.

Or something completely different. You never know with BB.

Quoting Luv08 (Reply 5):
capacity cuts at DEN

Cuts? I doubt it. They are making money there, and one of their competitors there is parking airplanes.



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User currently offlinePHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1250 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4856 times:

961 and 963 were sold about 5 days ago. They were sitting at PIT for a few days awaiting pickup.

User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25710 posts, RR: 85
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4842 times:
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Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 20):
Or something completely different. You never know with BB.

I'd like to see a badger on the tail of a Midwest-assigned E190. Or a red-headed woodpecker.  Smile

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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5128 posts, RR: 28
Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4647 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 15):
That it is. The E-190 would be a very nice upgrade from those awful Mesa CRJ-900s!

I still love the 900! Nice ride! Have not had the pleasure of flying the 170 or 190, so I am not a good one to determine the ride. But, I have flown the 900 on Mesa and it was a pleasure.

Quoting Mariner (Reply 22):
I'd like to see a badger on the tail of a Midwest-assigned E190. Or a red-headed woodpecker. Smile

mariner

LOL! Yeah, that would be awesome. I can't wait to see what they paint the 190's in!!!!



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User currently offlineLoggat From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4638 times:



Quoting PHLapproach (Reply 21):
961 and 963 were sold about 5 days ago. They were sitting at PIT for a few days awaiting pickup

Interesting. RW accepts new deliveries at their PIT maintenance base, so I wonder if they will just tow them down to the RW hangar...

Then they'll fly them to IND to paint them.



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25 Ridgid727 : Yeah, remember his days at defunct Western Pacific, you never knew then either
26 LACA773 : Thanks for the information Mariner. It would seem they would want to keep some of them at least to fly longer, thinner routes where the 319/320 are t
27 Post contains links FL787 : FWIW, based on the US press room fact sheet below, there are supposed to be six E190s gone before the end of the year. Also surprised to see they are
28 SPREE34 : I had no idea Mainline flew so many flights less than the Express/DCI. Charlotte Daily Flights: 543 (231 US Airways Mainline, 312 US Airways Express)
29 Yeogeo : The Red-Headed is certainly a handsome bird but the species has made a sad, slow progression towards extinction, or at least status as a rarity, sinc
30 Post contains links Mariner : Indeed. I don't know that they are going to put animals/birds on the tails. I'd like to see it, but they may have a different view. But if they did,
31 AvConsultant : AA, DL and UA have drummed up cash in the last several week. US is in need more than anyone to find a similar deal to survive through the winter. Adva
32 Post contains links MKENut : Maybe the same company that created this commercial with a badger in it could do a commercial for Frontier staring the badger. http://www.youtube.com
33 Post contains links MKENut : Take a look at the new E190 Seat maps on Midwest's website. E9B seat map is just like US E190 seat map. I guess the virtual tour shows the seat color
34 Antoniemey : Only virtual tour I see shows an ivory-colored leather seat. Looks comfy, though.
35 Post contains links Mariner : Officially confirmed now: http://www.businesswire.com/portal/s...&newsId=20091014006237&newsLang=en "Republic Airways to Acquire 10 Embraer 190AR Airc
36 Post contains images MSNDC9 :
37 N7371f : Huh? Which aircraft type?
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