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User currently offlineMiami1 From Australia, joined Feb 2001, 706 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 22874 times:

Have a look at this link i found with mock up images of the interior of the 748. Looks nice. Im assuming that the upper deck has a slight extension and possibly the main deck B zone is slightly extended as well?? Can anybody confirm this.


http://www.watoday.com.au/photogalle...eings-new-jumbo/20090505-atod.html

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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21580 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 22845 times:

Those BBJ images are fun. I library with a rolling ladder. Priceless.

Those two extra windows on the upper deck are to provide natural light to the staircase. I wonder if they will make it into the final production model. Seems like a lot of added weight and cost for very little benefit other than an aesthetic one that is meaningless for all night flights.



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User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4881 posts, RR: 37
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 22751 times:

The BBJ idea is garish and ugly.

Otherwise, the passenger 747-8i sure looks the business.  Smile Love it.  Smile

I think the upper deck is slightly stretched.


User currently offlineJbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 22368 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
Those two extra windows on the upper deck are to provide natural light to the staircase. I wonder if they will make it into the final production model. Seems like a lot of added weight and cost for very little benefit other than an aesthetic one that is meaningless for all night flights.

Well the weight saved by not carrying so many people & their luggage (in theory!) should more than offset a few windows.... and given the type of person who might be buying their own personal 748, I don't think the cost is a big concern  Smile


User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10816 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 22282 times:



Quoting Cpd (Reply 2):
The BBJ idea is garish and ugly.

I agree. That BBJ interior design is crap and looks cheap. I doubt one of the VIP-748s will be outfitted that way. No shik will like it. And its an old concept. I guess I´ve seen those pictures already two years ago.

The standard pax 748 though is very tasteful and easily beats everything flying.


User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 22232 times:

It looks amazing! I cant wait to see the real thing hit the skies with LH and makes its way to DEN!


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User currently offlineDennys From France, joined May 2001, 897 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 21963 times:

I still do hope more and more 747-8 !

regards
dennys


User currently offlineHirnie From Germany, joined May 2004, 596 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 21763 times:

In picture no 3 you can see two seats behind the stairs. To mee those seem to be the ones LH right now has installed in their B744s in economy. Hopefully they will get new and better ones in the B748.

To me the BBJ pictures look ugly as well. I have no idea who would like to have such an interior in his personel Jumbo.


User currently offlineSkyguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 18790 times:

It's highly unlikely that the 747-8 will come out looking like this.

These pictures are prepared by Boeing's marketing department just to illustrate the concept and possibilities, what the actual interior will look like is all dependent of course on what the client (the airlines) want, based on the options that the aircraft can give them.
For example, if you look at the first A380 marketing pictures of the interior of the aircraft that came out several years before they actually entered service, they looked different compared what was actually produced. The airlines can choose things like showers (which EK installed) as these are options that the manufacturer can offer, but it's up to the client as to how their plane ultimately looks based on what they want to pay for.



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User currently offlineAircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1735 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 18345 times:

"...the ladder to the bookshelf."


Yeah, of course...


User currently offlineAtlwest1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1046 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 18083 times:

The ladder is merely meant to show what can be done in the plane not what is a must order standard. And you can best believe there will be someone who has the money who will want it so dont discount it. The BBJ pics are meant as a launching point for someones imagination. Which money can make imagination reality.


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21580 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 17557 times:



Quoting Jbernie (Reply 3):

the weight of the windows does matter to LH etc. and Boeing is unlikely to build a different window layout for VIP v. standard.

Quoting Atlwest1 (Reply 10):

Really? The ladder isn't mandatory?



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User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 16874 times:



Quoting Miami1 (Thread starter):
Im assuming that the upper deck has a slight extension and possibly the main deck B zone is slightly extended as well??



Quoting Cpd (Reply 2):
I think the upper deck is slightly stretched.

The upper deck is stretched as much as the forward fuselage plug, 13' 4" (4.1M). Fore of the wings, both decks will be 13' 4" longer than the 744, and the main deck 5' aft of the wings.  Smile



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31387 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 16694 times:
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Quoting Skyguy (Reply 8):
It's highly unlikely that the 747-8 will come out looking like this.

I have a feeling the ceilings and bins will look like that and probably the staircase as shown in Picture 9, as well. LH has signed a third-party design contract for the A Zone cabinetry, so I expect the closet and "Concierge Station" will look different (assuming LH even offers such a station).


User currently offline797charter From Denmark, joined Jun 2005, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 13653 times:



Quoting Atlwest1 (Reply 10):
The ladder is merely meant to show what can be done in the plane not what is a must order standard.



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 11):
Quoting Atlwest1 (Reply 10):


Really? The ladder isn't mandatory?

I am quite surprised too...

 bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineFlybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 13239 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):

Those two extra windows on the upper deck are to provide natural light to the staircase. I wonder if they will make it into the final production model. Seems like a lot of added weight and cost for very little benefit other than an aesthetic one that is meaningless for all night flights.

Not to mention it would be impossible to certify a layout like that under the current FARs. That's why all the concept interiors always end up boring in the end. Take a look at the Ethiopian 787 interior images compared to the concept interior images released by Boeing between 2005 and 2007. The same thing goes for exterior design... the graphic artists and industrial designers can go to town in the beginning, but the engineers bring the design down to earth into something that is simple to manufacture, meets performance specs and is safe.



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User currently offlineSP90 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 388 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 12756 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
Those two extra windows on the upper deck are to provide natural light to the staircase. I wonder if they will make it into the final production model. Seems like a lot of added weight and cost for very little benefit other than an aesthetic one that is meaningless for all night flights.

The extra weight of the windows is nothing next to all those books they plan to carry around!  Big grin

Seems like a very beautiful bird. Hopefully the final version that enters service will look as nice as those photos. Hard to believe Boeing could breath new life into a 40 year old design. How much of the plane is still built to the original specs or left unchanged all these years?


User currently offlineRwy31R From Saudi Arabia, joined Aug 2001, 454 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 12597 times:

This is a gorgeous aircraft, it has the classic 747 look with a 787 twist. I do hope to see it flying soon. As far as I know only LH have ordered them. Any other possible customers?


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User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 12500 times:



Quoting Rwy31R (Reply 17):
Any other possible customers?

Sure lots of possible customers, but VLAs in general just aren't selling well right now.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21580 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 12469 times:



Quoting SP90 (Reply 16):
The extra weight of the windows is nothing next to all those books they plan to carry around!

Again, I'm talking about for LH and other potential commercial carriers. The 748i is not a different model than the 748VIP, and so one structural design has to work for both.

I suppose they could be plugged, but there is still a structural weight penalty to have plugged windows v. no windows at all, and considering that Boeing wants to get every ounce of extra weight out of this plane, I would bet dollars to donuts that those windows go bye-bye before all is said and done. They don't exist on the other side of the aircraft to begin with.



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User currently offlineWAH64D From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 966 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 12392 times:

B747-8i looks absolutely superb, can't wait to fly on one!!!


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40065 posts, RR: 74
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 12363 times:

Now THIS is a new Boeing I can get excited about.  yes 


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User currently offlineSP90 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 388 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12165 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 19):

I see your point. If the purpose is to provide light to the stairs then its not a very bright idea. During night flights you'll still need electrical lighting.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21580 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 11377 times:



Quoting SP90 (Reply 22):
I see your point. If the purpose is to provide light to the stairs then its not a very bright idea. During night flights you'll still need electrical lighting.

It's purely an aesthetic luxury, to have an "open, natural 'skylight' over the grand staircase." From a style POV, I like it. But it seems like something that the artists and design school grads came up with, not the engineers who are trying to make an efficient aircraft.



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User currently offlineDetroiter From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10804 times:



Quoting Dennys (Reply 6):
I still do hope more and more 747-8 !

i totally agree with you, boeing can do much more than this. actually, beside the upper level interior (which i did not understand) i did not see anything new, i think the 787 has more advanced seats though


25 Oroka : I am sure if someone puts up enough dough for a 748i VIP, they can afford windows AND lights for their staircase.
26 FlyCaledonian : From those images I'm confused about the stairs to the upper deck. Will there be one set (At door 2) or two sets (at doors 1 and 2) in the 747-8i? Whi
27 Stitch : I tend to think if the 748 is going to have any sales traction, it will be at the expense of the 77W. If it really hits her numbers, it's going to off
28 WarRI1 : I will vote with you guys, looks very good to me. The numbers will tell the story.
29 Pellegrine : I have to disagree here. It only takes money to certify a new idea. Ethiopian just pictured off the shelf seats for their B787 on their website...pre
30 Ikramerica : But the 77W as it is now doesn't have much of a new customer sales life left, anyway. Unless Boeing goes through with the 777NG work they are talking
31 Max Q : The reality is that the original design was so good (long before Cad / Cam or the benefit of any computer aided design) with so much of the structure
32 Blueman87 : if it really has the window on top i pay alot to be under it
33 Ikramerica : Define good? Overbuilt is not "good" engineering. It's wasteful engineering, at least when you are talking about an object that needs to be as light
34 Atlwest1 : Well golly gee nope its not. :-P
35 Ikramerica : Hey, you are the one who thought we needed this explained to us in the first place, so you can't get too upset with a little mocking in jest.
36 Atlwest1 : LOL too true mr. mr to true
37 Max Q : Amazing, you answered your own question !
38 Aircellist :
39 TymnBalewne : I wonder if slide 2 gives a hint as to a future order by another passenger airline? The gentleman in the image bares a striking resemeblance to Eli Sa
40 Ikramerica : Who asked a question? I was simply responding to the assertion that the lack of understanding in the 60s that lead to the overbuilt 747 was somehow "
41 Blueman87 : wish Delta would Order one
42 Max Q : On the contrary, their 'understanding' as you put it was ahead of their time, perhaps you could enlighten us further as to your belief this Aircraft
43 Tdscanuck : I think Ikramerica is just pointing out that the original 747 had more safety margin in it because of imprecise engineering tools available at the ti
44 Ikramerica : Yes, and more than that. As someone with a degree in engineering, I do NOT agree with the assertion that the reason the 747 has so much "room to grow
45 Tdscanuck : "Good engineering" has got to be taken in the context of the tools available at the time. Apollo was wonderfully engineered, in general. By today's s
46 AirlineCritic : In this economy, all of us have to make sacrifices. For some of us this means letting go of our house or employment, for others having to give up tha
47 Brons2 : Just one? I would think that most airlines would want to have a fleet of more than 1*. I guess DL could just polish it up and fly it on nice sunny da
48 Max Q : No structural problems 'causing death' have ever been recorded in the history of the 747, in the JAL crash a tail strike caused damage to the rear pr
49 Shankly : Ikra is, as ever, right although I guess it depends on how you define structural; to me the phrase embraces not just metal but systems. The loss of t
50 Ikramerica : The faulty design of the cargo door caused crashes. It has been inspected and reinforced. This is a structural failure, hardly caused by being "overb
51 Ikramerica : There was also an explosive decompression event that killed one pax. (not structural?) Then there are the engines ripping off of the El Al flight. Peo
52 Tdscanuck : That's not normal to an airplane engineer; structural is, very explicitely, not the systems. Things that carry flight loads are structure...everythin
53 Cpd : If the door were designed differently (so that it opened internally, and closed up like a plug against the fuselage) rather than hinging outwards - w
54 Brons2 : I thought the pilots had not switched on the pneumatic system responsible for the deployment of the leading edge devices....?
55 Brons2 : It's not structural when a lightning strike causes the left wing to separate?!?!?
56 Tdscanuck : It wouldn't have opened. But it's not a structural design flaw to have a non-plug cargo door...it's completely normal. All current freighters have th
57 Max Q : I would say the passengers that were killed in the American Airlines Airbus 300-600R crash out of JFK which did have a complete vertical stabilizer s
58 Tdscanuck : That crash would have ripped the vertical stabilizer off any equivalent commercial jet...it had nothing to do with the A300's structural design. The
59 Tdscanuck : That crash would have ripped the vertical stabilizer off any equivalent commercial jet...it had nothing to do with the A300's structural design. The
60 Shankly : Which is why I very carefully qualified my interpretation. I understand your view that structure should be limited to heavy metal. Out of interest ho
61 EmSeeEye : Well, you will need it to get to the top of the indoor rockwall.
62 Max Q : Actually Tds, you have no way of knowing that In the American Airlines crash there was a lot of speculation about American's Pilot training program,
63 Tdscanuck : Actually, I do. Aerodynamic loads on the rudder are functions of geometry and flight contidion only, not material. And the FAR's for the A300 are wel
64 Max Q : Exactly my point, Airbus seems to think that just 'meeting the FAR's' is adequate, exceeding them by a significant margin may cost more in weight and
65 Post contains links Tdscanuck : No OEM intentionally exceeds the structural strength FAR's by any significant margin (unless forced to do so by another FAR, like fatigue strength).
66 Max Q : I disagree, the facts do not bear this out, especially when discussing older transports designed and built without the 'benefit' of Cad / Cam. Signif
67 Post contains links DEVILFISH : Just thought a short video would be more fun..... http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...ideo-inside-boeings-747-8i-in.html
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