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Why NWA Do Not Have TV Or Radio On 757s And A320s?  
User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3301 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5187 times:

At the beginning of the year, I flew NWA to Los Angeles. I flew on a 757 there and an A320 back, and both a/c was not equipped with TVs or radio, why?


PS: NWA is still a good airline, much better than UA. Too they have to merge with Delta.

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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12163 posts, RR: 36
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5090 times:
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Because they decided not to have them?

That being said, on my 757-300 flight to LAS on Monday, they showed a movie overhead. On the way back I have no idea as I was asleep before the main cabin door was closed  Silly



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User currently offlineSoxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 862 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5077 times:

There is usually no IFE on any NW domestic flight, and most domestic aircraft in the fleet (DC30/40/50, A319, A320, 752) don't even have overhead monitors (they were either removed or delivered without them). The one exception is the 753, which flies to and from Hawaii; according to the NW website, movies are show on those flights. KaiGywer, I guess you got lucky on your flight to LAS on the 753! Hope the movie was good  Smile

International flights on 757, A330 and 747 all feature IFE in both classes (for the 757 and 747, PTVs are in World Business Class and overhead monitors in economy; A330 has PTVs at every seat in the aircraft).

There have been previous threads discussing whether Delta intends to install, or reinstall, IFE on at least some NW domestic aircraft as well.

Hope this helps!  Smile



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User currently offlineMichman From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 466 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5067 times:



Quoting Soxfan (Reply 2):
KaiGywer, I guess you got lucky on your flight to LAS on the 753! Hope the movie was good Smile

NW has been running movies on the 753 on continental US flights for a number of months now. Not lucky at all, it's now standard for both Hawaii and continental US flights.


User currently offlineSoxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 862 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4818 times:



Quoting Michman (Reply 3):
NW has been running movies on the 753 on continental US flights for a number of months now. Not lucky at all, it's now standard for both Hawaii and continental US flights.

Interesting! I didn't know that, but it makes sense since Delta offers movies on longer flights on its IFE-equipped aircraft. Thanks for the heads up  Smile



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18681 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4763 times:

NW took the IFE out of their planes back in the early '90's.

I'm actually flying F-class on NW today, SFO-DTW and I'm a bit sad that I get no IFE. I hope the food's good.


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12163 posts, RR: 36
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4724 times:
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Quoting Soxfan (Reply 2):
Hope the movie was good Smile

Absolutely not  Silly It looked very boring



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User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5845 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4666 times:

I don't see why the airline HAS to provide you with IFE at all. Just bring a good book. Even a mediocre one will be better than anything Kevin Costner can dish out.


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User currently offlineN911YX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4615 times:



Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
, and both a/c was not equipped with TVs or radio
, why?

Perhaps they're promoting literacy. Read a book!


User currently offlineBrick From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1575 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4595 times:



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 7):
I don't see why the airline HAS to provide you with IFE at all. Just bring a good book. Even a mediocre one will be better than anything Kevin Costner can dish out.

+1

On the United and Delta non-AVOD flights I get that are long enough to show a movie, the movie is always targeted to the "lowest common denominator". I about died a few years ago when I had an unusually busy month and had "Are We Done Yet?" on every single flight on three different airlines....was very painful to even glance up at the monitor even though I wasn't listening to the audio.

The only time I get interested in IFE is if it is truly AVOD demand. If the IFE is on an overhead screen or on a cycle system (like on United's B777 fleet) then I am not interested. Bring a book or watch a good movie on your laptop.



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User currently onlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3047 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4566 times:



Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
I flew NWA to Los Angeles. I flew on a 757 there and an A320 back, and both a/c was not equipped with TVs or radio

Does it really matter. Delta may add those features since it is there ball game now.

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 7):
I don't see why the airline HAS to provide you with IFE at all. Just bring a good book.

A very good idea.


User currently offlineSimairlinenet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 904 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4562 times:



Quoting Soxfan (Reply 2):
The one exception is the 753, which flies to and from Hawaii; according to the NW website, movies are show on those flights.

Several Northwest-operated Hawaii routes will be flown with 757-200s soon (or now). It's unclear what will happen on these flights.


User currently offlineUAL757 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 806 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4560 times:



Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
PS: NWA is still a good airline, much better than UA. Too they have to merge with Delta.

How so?
- UA has IFE (CH 9!), E+, IMO better BOB (Choice menu), nicer seats in Y, what else?
- NW has no IFE, no E+, BOB, crappy seats in Y, what else?

 Confused


User currently offlineC5LOAD From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4560 times:



Quoting Soxfan (Reply 2):
There is usually no IFE on any NW domestic flight, and most domestic aircraft in the fleet (DC30/40/50, A319, A320, 752) don't even have overhead monitors

I know you are only referring to NW aircraft, but I know that on DL, the MD-90s have flip-down screens they show the safety video on. I have always wondered why they put them on a/c like that but not on the MD-88s. The MD-90 doesn't really fly long enough to show a movie do they?



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User currently offlineBrick From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1575 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4532 times:

Quoting C5LOAD (Reply 13):
The MD-90 doesn't really fly long enough to show a movie do they?

In the past I've flown CVG-DFW and ATL-DEN on MD-90's and a movie was shown.


Actually the simple answer to the question "Why doesn't XXX airlines have IFE on their aircraft?" is IFE is an expense for the airline, not a source of revenue. Some airlines have choosen to accept IFE as an expense while other airlines have not.

[Edited 2009-10-04 10:03:24]


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User currently offlineMichman From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 466 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4493 times:



Quoting Simairlinenet (Reply 11):
Several Northwest-operated Hawaii routes will be flown with 757-200s soon (or now). It's unclear what will happen on these flights.

These are the 75J Pacific Interport birds with 20 FC seats and 162 coach seats. I'm pretty sure these are IFE equipped, but haven't actually been on one, so I'm not positive. I believe the FC section is a step up from the 753's.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7343 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4349 times:

NW domestic flights on aircraft that have IFE now use IFE. This was part of the standardization of in-flight service a few months ago.
This includes the 757-200 (5600), 757-A (Atlantic), and the 757-300's. This includes routes like DTW/MSP-West Coast, and West Coast-Hawaii.

NW always has used IFE on the 753's flying West Coast-Hawaii. There are no 752's that fly to Hawaii.


User currently offlineTimf From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 966 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4334 times:
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Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 16):
There are no 752's that fly to Hawaii.

It appears that as of October 1, there are 752s flying SFO-HNL and PDX-HNL.


User currently offlineSoxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 862 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4133 times:

For those NW aircraft now showing IFE domestically, is it Delta programming (i.e. what Delta is showing on their planes)? Also, is it just films, or do they have short-subject programming, too? And audio channels as well?


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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12163 posts, RR: 36
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4098 times:
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Quoting Soxfan (Reply 18):
For those NW aircraft now showing IFE domestically, is it Delta programming (i.e. what Delta is showing on their planes)? Also, is it just films, or do they have short-subject programming, too? And audio channels as well?

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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3945 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4053 times:
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Quoting UAL757 (Reply 12):
so?
- UA has IFE (CH 9!), E+, IMO better BOB (Choice menu), nicer seats in Y, what else?
- NW has no IFE, no E+, BOB, crappy seats in Y, what else?

I'm sorry but I feel you're wrong on that one. I feel the BOB on both UA & AA is nothing but overpriced garbage. DL has the better BOB of all the domestic carriers though I do know that F9 has some really tasty options and so does YX.
UA & AA really need to look into upgrading the stuff they serve.
This is just my opinion.

Now back on topic...
Now that DL is merging with NW what can we find out about which specific NW fleets will be receiving IFE? Does NW-DL use specific 319, 320s, and 757s to do midcon flights other than the few that operate with the 753 to LAX/SFO/SEA ( I also know these birds show up in LAS, SAN, PHX and PDX on ocasion as well.)? It only makes sense DL will want to make their inflight entertainment product consistent fleetwide with the intergration of NW a/c. The only birds I can see not receiving IFE are the D95s and 744s.
Thoughts?


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7343 posts, RR: 28
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3667 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 20):
Now that DL is merging with NW what can we find out about which specific NW fleets will be receiving IFE?

There have been 1,000 threads of speculation on a.net, however DL has not announced any plans at this point to do anything yet to the NW fleet. Doesn't mean they won't, doesn't mean they will anytime soon, and it doesn't mean they aren't constantly revaluation the cost/benefits of such projects. Only once they say what they are doing will we truly know.

DC-9-50's, A319, A320, 752, 753 will all be getting wifi, that is the only thing announced to date.

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 20):
Does NW-DL use specific 319, 320s, and 757s to do midcon flights other than the few that operate with the 753 to LAX/SFO/SEA ( I also know these birds show up in LAS, SAN, PHX and PDX on ocasion as well.)? It only makes sense DL will want to make their inflight entertainment product consistent fleetwide with the intergration of NW a/c.

Today they do not, as said that could change if they want it to be so. Keep in mind that DL's original fleet is far from offering a consistent product fleetwide as it is now.


User currently offlineN7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1644 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3441 times:
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Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 21):
There have been 1,000 threads of speculation on a.net, however DL has not announced any plans at this point to do anything yet to the NW fleet. Doesn't mean they won't, doesn't mean they will anytime soon, and it doesn't mean they aren't constantly revaluation the cost/benefits of such projects. Only once they say what they are doing will we truly know.

One thing I can say regarding at-seat TV's - DL would have to put new seats in NW aircraft, especially in the first class sections.

Right now DL is merely recovering the decades old NW seats with the blue leather. But these seats (the Recaro slimline) are not thick enough to house a TV. The Recaro seats are on the DC-9's, 319's, 320's ship numbers 3251 and up, 757-5600's and 757-300's. All of these would have to be traded out and as long-time frequent fliers of DL know - they have installed thousands of new seats. While NW still has A320's flying around with the 80's barcalounger style first class seats (ships 3201-3250) and 757-5500's with original design seats from 1984.


User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3394 times:



Quoting N7371f (Reply 22):
One thing I can say regarding at-seat TV's - DL would have to put new seats in NW aircraft, especially in the first class sections.

Right now DL is merely recovering the decades old NW seats with the blue leather. But these seats (the Recaro slimline) are not thick enough to house a TV. The Recaro seats are on the DC-9's, 319's, 320's ship numbers 3251 and up, 757-5600's and 757-300's. All of these would have to be traded out and as long-time frequent fliers of DL know - they have installed thousands of new seats. While NW still has A320's flying around with the 80's barcalounger style first class seats (ships 3201-3250) and 757-5500's with original design seats from 1984.


Interestingly, the NW 5500-series 752s appear to have the same model of seat in Y that DL's MD-88s have. I wonder who is the manufacturer of them.

Also, the Recaro seats you mentioned appear to be the same model of seat that the ex-TWA 752s originally had in Y prior to being replaced by the Weber slimline seats.

I would guess that DL will install the Weber slimline seats in Y should any NW aircraft get AVOD installed. Also, I have heard DL will be installing the Weber slimline seats on the MD-88 and MD-90 fleet to increase their capacities to 150 and 160, respectively. The 763ERs will probably also get them should AVOD be installed.



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