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Jat Airways Runway Overrun At LTBA  
User currently offlineJoeKuboj From Serbia, joined Feb 2004, 164 posts, RR: 13
Posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8387 times:

Only in Turkish and Serbian atm.. http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/12617387.asp?gid=229

pics: http://fotogaleri.hurriyet.com.tr/galeridetay.aspx?cid=26918&p=4&rid=2

http://www.rts.rs/page/stories/sr/st...vion+skliznuo+sa+piste+u+Istanbulu


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User currently offlineFatmirJusufi From Albania, joined Jan 2009, 2441 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8280 times:

Source in English
http://bit.ly/3ypI5g



DO FLIGHTS. NOT FIGHTS.
User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8193 times:

Glad no one was hurt.


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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27231 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8131 times:

Thank god it wasnt worse. JAT having a run of bad luck the last week. Gotta love the pic of the pilot coming off with what looks like a bag of Duty Free.  Smile

User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10804 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8094 times:

Like all JAT 737s this aircraft is older than 21 years. This oldie is certainly in the twilight of its career, even if the damage seems to be very minor.

User currently offlineEnginebird From United States of America, joined May 2007, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8078 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 3):
Gotta love the pic of the pilot coming off with what looks like a bag of Duty Free.

Two silver stripes, probably not the pilot, right? Rather one of the flight attendants.

Bad luck for troubled JAT.


User currently offlineFatmirJusufi From Albania, joined Jan 2009, 2441 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8035 times:

Quoting Enginebird (Reply 7):
Two silver stripes, probably not the pilot, right? Rather one of the flight attendants.

He must be F/O. It depends in some airlines F/O to have two silver stripes.

EDIT (forgot to add)

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Photo © Peter Fagerström



[Edited 2009-10-04 08:15:46]


DO FLIGHTS. NOT FIGHTS.
User currently offlineGosheto From Bulgaria, joined Jun 2009, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7965 times:

I am surprised I didn't see a thread here last week when they had to ground all flights due to the strike at JAT Technika. Could it be a factor to this mishap -- stress on pilots or something like this?

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26010 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7842 times:

Here are some more photos
http://www.airporthaber.com/v3/readnews.php?newid=17830

Quoting Gosheto (Reply 9):
I am surprised I didn't see a thread here last week when they had to ground all flights due to the strike at JAT Technika.

Search and you would find;
JAT Airplanes Don’t Fly (by Kiqaboy Sep 29 2009 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlineYAK42 From Ireland, joined Oct 2000, 801 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7773 times:

Could this be a simmilar cause to the Aria Afghan A300 write off at IST a few years ago? Is it the same place that the aircraft overran?

User currently offlineVlada From Serbia, joined Aug 2005, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7693 times:



Quoting YAK42 (Reply 11):

Yes, it is the same place


User currently offlineFatmirJusufi From Albania, joined Jan 2009, 2441 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7668 times:



Quoting YAK42 (Reply 11):
Could this be a simmilar cause to the Aria Afghan A300 write off at IST a few years ago? Is it the same place that the aircraft overran?

http://bit.ly/48BAC7

And yeah it's the same RWY 06/24!



DO FLIGHTS. NOT FIGHTS.
User currently onlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1427 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7643 times:

That particular runway has a long and sad history of overruns, which are more likely to happen when the runway is wet. The layer of used Dunlops deposited on the tarmac is staggering, and you probably all know about the reduced friction of wet rubber. The overrun areas are also more than just a bit dodgy, with steep inclines and multi-laned public roads just outside the perimeter fence. Check googlemap and see how close the runway ends are to public roads - and that's on all sides. Add the steep inclines, and it's fairly obvious some extra precautions might be in order - this is hardly a minor regional airport!

We're instructed not to accept landing clearances to that runway if it's wet. Problem for IST is that 06/24 is the preferred runway for landing since it allows simultaneous take-off operation from one of the parallels.

Unless that runway is closed and re-surfaced, this is going to keep on happening - and such action will only be taken if more airlines refuse to accept 06/24 for landing, even in the dry.

IST should also, gven the steep inclines at the end of all it's runways, be installing arrestor beds if safety was really it's top priority. But, alas, I feat that Tombstone Technology shall once again prevail before anything will be done.

[Edited 2009-10-04 10:34:57]

[Edited 2009-10-04 10:36:49]


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User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 3008 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7593 times:



Quoting B777LRF (Reply 14):

this winter they're going to close that runway to extend it. indeed it's very famous for difficult landings in wet conditions .


User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2245 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7588 times:

JU has had its big share of problems, but let's face it, this can and does happen everywhere and to all airlines.

As B777LRF says in detail above, this runway is a hazard for IST ops in poor weather and has led to similar incidents in the past.

I hope the Turkish CAA acknowledges this as well as all other factors and makes valid recommendations that will help prevent similar incidents in the future.

For now, thank God everyone got our OK and that this did not end in a tragedy.



Kafa, čaj, šraf?
User currently offlineFlyboy_se From Sweden, joined Feb 2000, 830 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7470 times:

Poor Jat, not what they need right now.
Glad there were no fatalities.



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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12562 posts, RR: 35
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7342 times:

Doesn't seem to be any serious damage. Lucky for all concerned; hopefully JAT won't be too hard on the crew when they get back to BEG. (I mean, their home base - not to beg for their jobs!)

User currently offlineYAK42 From Ireland, joined Oct 2000, 801 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7299 times:



Quoting B777LRF (Reply 12):
The overrun areas are also more than just a bit dodgy, with steep inclines and multi-laned public roads just outside the perimeter fence.

I recall the Ariana A300 almost reached the road.

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User currently offlineCuban8 From Kiribati, joined Sep 2009, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4464 times:

Istanbul RWY06 can be tricky sometimes. Still, it amazes me that most of the recent runway overrun has been here. In my opinion, there are several airports in Europe which has more difficult runways to land on.

Off topic: Did the Aviation Authorities in Istanbul ever considered to build a parallel runway to RWY06/24 to ease up the already overloaded airport??


User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2741 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4318 times:
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Does the insurance cover the repair of the planes or...?

When did the Onur air and Tarom overrun it?


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4461 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4263 times:



Quoting NA (Reply 4):
Like all JAT 737s this aircraft is older than 21 years. This oldie is certainly in the twilight of its career

Hey now, I am about to fly on a NW DC-9-5 tomorrow and the youngest one is over 32 years old.


User currently offlineVlada From Serbia, joined Aug 2005, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4237 times:



Quoting JU068 (Reply 19):
When did the Onur air and Tarom overrun it?

Onur occured on February 26th, 2006.

Tarom occured on October 15th, 2008.


User currently offlineTKfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 669 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3551 times:



Quoting Cuban8 (Reply 18):
Off topic: Did the Aviation Authorities in Istanbul ever considered to build a parallel runway to RWY06/24 to ease up the already overloaded airport??

It is in talks for years now, but the problem is Air Base at the South part. As long as there is no agreement a parallel runway wont happen.
However this Winter rwy 06/24 will be closed and totally renewed and extended by 250 meters.


User currently offlineBeakerLTN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2009, 297 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3521 times:

The first question that came to my mind was 'why isn't anyone using escape slides?'. Did everyone just wait there until the steps turned up???


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User currently offlinePutnik From Brazil, joined Aug 2007, 229 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3480 times:

It was not a really dramatic event after all. Passengers interviewed in Istanbul all seemed relaxed and gave calm answers. I suppose pilots knew what was happening with the plane and that there was no need for dramatic (and costly) deployment of slides and hasty disembarking.

[Edited 2009-10-05 08:34:46]


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