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WN Adding 1 Gate Maybe 2 In DEN  
User currently offlineMcofreak From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 55 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6640 times:

So WN is adding one gate for sure in DEN C34 (I think) and possibly two, which brings there total to 11 or 12 if they get the second. Can we see more destinations in the distance? They continue to grow there DEN station at a rapid pace.

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User currently offlineJetBlueAUS From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1145 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6643 times:



Quoting Mcofreak (Thread starter):
So WN is adding one gate for sure in DEN C34 (I think) and possibly two, which brings there total to 11 or 12 if they get the second. Can we see more destinations in the distance? They continue to grow there DEN station at a rapid pace.

They will probably add more cities but currently they have over 120 daily departures from 10 gates... so hopefully that will help loosen up gate space.



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User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1935 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6463 times:

WN generally likes to have its gate utilization average around 10-13 flts per gate per day for the larger cities. So the current amount of 120 flts out of 10 gates is normal. At LAX, we currently run 110-115 flts out of 8 gates. Yikes.


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User currently offlineDlcnxgptjax From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 353 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6430 times:

That's pretty interesting. I'd like to see a list of each city WN operates from and the flight/gate ratio.

User currently offlineLuv08 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6378 times:

I hope more and more are added. Although with United and Southwest already being so big then you add in DL, AA, and all the other airlines you just wonder how much more WN can add? I know WN will jump on any oppurtunity to add when other routed and capacity are dropped at DEN which I am sure there will be coming up!

User currently offlineAntoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6188 times:



Quoting Luv08 (Reply 4):
I know WN will jump on any oppurtunity to add when other routed and capacity are dropped at DEN which I am sure there will be coming up!

Still think F9 is going to shrink at DEN, huh?

Have fun with that.

If WN sees a route they can fly profitably, regardless if anyone else is operating it, they'll start it. And they won't necessarily start to a city that someone else drops, because they may not see the demand there for them to operate the route.



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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6158 times:



Quoting Antoniemey (Reply 5):
If WN sees a route they can fly profitably, regardless if anyone else is operating it, they'll start it.

I don't think that is as true with WN as many would like to believe. I say that respectfully of course. There are some cities that just DON'T have service on certain city pairs because WN insist on starting new flights in DEN or MDW, etc. Many cities in the WN network do suffer from time to time at the expense of places like DEN where WN has what appears to be wet dreams constantly. LOL!!



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6552 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6142 times:

And the (strange) infatuation with Denver continues.

They have most of the major markets covered from DEN already...they might as well add PIT, CLE, CMH, and DTW...and for kicks why not BOI, ELP, and LBB....then the mega hub will be complete!  Wink


User currently offlineAntoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6141 times:



Quoting Lexy (Reply 6):
There are some cities that just DON'T have service on certain city pairs because WN insist on starting new flights in DEN or MDW, etc. Many cities in the WN network do suffer from time to time at the expense of places like DEN where WN has what appears to be wet dreams constantly. LOL!!

Which means that WN is falling prey to the same management issues that the Legacies have over the years. No surprise there...



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6117 times:



Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 7):
And the (strange) infatuation with Denver continues.

 checkmark  I agree. And I still don't understand why DEN is so gosh darn important to them than any other station they fly to.

They are not turning a profit in DEN, why the extra gates are needed is beyond me.



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User currently offlineNorCal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6079 times:



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 9):
I agree. And I still don't understand why DEN is so gosh darn important to them than any other station they fly to.

They are not turning a profit in DEN, why the extra gates are needed is beyond me.

Maybe they fear the new F9/RAH and are going to try and bleed them out? In which case this is certainly true:

Quoting Antoniemey (Reply 8):
Which means that WN is falling prey to the same management issues that the Legacies have over the years. No surprise there...

Let's stab each other multiple time with fare wars! Whoever is last to bleed out wins!  Yeah sure

WN probably has the cash to try and kill off RAH/F9 but in the process they could severely weaken themselves and there is simply no guarentee of success. F9 has really low CASM as it is and adding RAH will improve that advantage. Even *if* and that's a big IF WN could bleed F9/RAH dry they'll simply go back into Chapter 11, reorganize and emerge again to repeat the cycle against WN.


User currently offlineLuv08 From United States of America, joined May 2009, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6056 times:

Where did I say anything about F9 shrinking??? I didn't... Typical F9 groupie though. I love how people always say WN will never turn a profit in DEN.... Yet you mention F9 not making money or not making a profit they throw a hissy fit and run to the moderators. This thread was about WN getting extra gates not whether WN makes a profit there or how F9 just got out of Chapter 11 because they were doing so stellar and turning profits!!!

User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6056 times:

OK LET'S SLOW THINGS DOWN HERE...

IF, the rumor is true and WN is adding a gate at DEN, it is most likely simply to spread the flights out at DEN to ease gate congestions.

Does it mean WN will add more flights, quite possible. However I believe the situation is done so that the flights can be a bit more evenly spread out among the gates at DEN.

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 7):
And the (strange) infatuation with Denver continues.



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 9):
I agree. And I still don't understand why DEN is so gosh darn important to them than any other station they fly to.

Well, anytime a new market is added, it seems MDW, BWI get the bulk of the flights. MSP, LGA, BOS, DEN, all of them got MDW/BWI first for the most part. With exception to MKE which didn't get MDW or DEN, it got BWI and others.

If anything I would think BWI and MDW get the majority of the flights, as they have tons more than DEN does.

Yes, I do admit WN has had an eye at DEN for sure, no doubt about that. Maybe it is because I am biased or whatever, but I don't see DEN as the "big thing" for WN anymore, and don't see them any different than the other mega stations like PHX, MDW, BWI, LAS etc.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 9):

They are not turning a profit in DEN, why the extra gates are needed is beyond me.

As mentioned I think the gate situation is tight so they are adding gates to spread out the flights evenly.

As for profit, it is no different than any other airline adding routes for market share, such as the money loosing ORD-DAL routes AA/Eagle did.

For once IMO this additional gate has nothing to do with F9, RW, or DEN itself, just a way for WN to spread out the flights evenly at DEN.

Alex



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User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6054 times:



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 9):
They are not turning a profit in DEN, why the extra gates are needed is beyond me

Can a WN insider confirm that DEN is unprofitable for WN?



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User currently offlineBNAtraveler From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 410 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5986 times:
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Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 13):
Can a WN insider confirm that DEN is unprofitable for WN?

DEN on an O&D basis has been reported in this forum as well as by analysts as unprofitable. No one at WN who truly has access to the information has reported that this is or is not a reality.

Note that DEN's geographic position has allowed WN to drop the very loss-leading transcons and has migrated WN closer to a network carrier at DEN that is focused on NETWORK benefits rather than just O&D at this station. Yes, this is outside the traditional framework for WN (arguably they have been focused on individual routes and its supporting O&D), but once they grow to a certain point it starts to become more economic to leverage network benefit rather than solely O&D so that they can cut long and thin routes, beefing them up with a connecting complex that is well located between the coasts.


User currently offlinePlaneAdmirer From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5931 times:



Quoting BNAtraveler (Reply 14):
Note that DEN's geographic position has allowed WN to drop the very loss-leading transcons and has migrated WN closer to a network carrier at DEN that is focused on NETWORK benefits rather than just O&D at this station. Yes, this is outside the traditional framework for WN (arguably they have been focused on individual routes and its supporting O&D), but once they grow to a certain point it starts to become more economic to leverage network benefit rather than solely O&D so that they can cut long and thin routes, beefing them up with a connecting complex that is well located between the coasts.

But will they or can we call DEN a hub yet in public?  confused   smirk 


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5931 times:



Quoting Luv08 (Reply 11):
I love how people always say WN will never turn a profit in DEN....

We, F9 folks, never said that nor are we saying that. We are saying that WN is not currently turning a profit in DEN.

Quoting Luv08 (Reply 11):
Yet you mention F9 not making money or not making a profit they throw a hissy fit and run to the moderators.

Do you have a source that people are running to the mods??  confused 

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 12):
I don't see DEN as the "big thing" for WN anymore

With gate adding, it still seems like it is a "big thing" for WN. Actions speaks louder than words.

Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 13):
Can a WN insider confirm that DEN is unprofitable for WN?

You can find that on almost any thread that has the words "WN" and "DEN" in the same sentence.

Quoting BNAtraveler (Reply 14):
DEN on an O&D basis has been reported in this forum as well as by analysts as unprofitable. No one at WN who truly has access to the information has reported that this is or is not a reality.

 checkmark 



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User currently offlineN200WN From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 784 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5827 times:

This may be just a rumor. More gates requires added staffing even if the number of flights remain the same, and WN is not hiring right now.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 9):
They are not turning a profit in DEN, why the extra gates are needed is beyond me.

I don't know. DEN is an investment that may or may not have paid off yet.

Quoting NorCal (Reply 10):
WN probably has the cash to try and kill off RAH/F9 but in the process they could severely weaken themselves and there is simply no guarentee of success.

I don't think that's the case at all. Southwest needs to tie the national network together and DEN is the perfect place to do that. In the thread about WN adding GEG/DEN nonstop someone complained that they wouldn't fly WN to Florida because it would take too long with too many stops. DEN addresses those issues that some of the other large transfer points couldn't (MDW - too hemmed in, HOU - too far south, STL - poor O&D, MCI - poor gate setup for transfers, PHX - too far west, BNA - too small). DEN - Almost unlimited growth potential, reasonably good weather, great O&D, high income, excellent geographic location, no ATC congestion, excellent terminal facilites, etc.


User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5804 times:



Quoting N200WN (Reply 17):
BNA - too small

How?

It has very high O&D numbers for an airport its size and a market this size. Not to mention, WN controls half of the C Concourse and could expand if they wanted to. WN could easily host over 100 or so flights a day from here. They just choose not to because they would rather herd everyone through MDW, DEN, and BWI for the most part. That's stupid. Their model suggest that they "spread out" the "LUV". Well for the last year or two it's just been the three mentioned airports above that seems to be getting any "LUV" at all from WN.



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User currently offlineN200WN From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 784 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5732 times:



Quoting Lexy (Reply 18):
Their model suggest that they "spread out" the "LUV". Well for the last year or two it's just been the three mentioned airports above that seems to be getting any "LUV" at all from WN.

Lexy, I know how you feel brother. As airline geeks, we all want to see as many airlines, aircraft types, and routes, out of our home airports. I also tend to get a little annoyed when AUS always gets the new nonstops, then SAT always comes later (RDU, SAN, MDW, DEN are all examples). At least BNA is still a top ten city (I think).

I didn't mean to offend, as I think BNA is a great place to make transfers and a fine city. I always choose it over BWI when possible when making my frequent trips with the family between SAT and PVD. But, I tend to lump BNA (maybe wrongly) in with the second tier cities such as PIT, CVG, MKE, IND, while I consider DEN a first tier city along with MSP, ATL, PHX, and D/FW. Whereas DEN can link places such as GEG/FLL and TUS/IND, I don't think BNA could do that.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5674 times:



Quoting N200WN (Reply 17):
DEN is an investment that may or may not have paid off yet.

They have been in DEN since 2005. And it hasn't even paid off yet. I dunno if it will ever pay off. I'm still waiting to see that happen.



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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5604 times:



Quoting N200WN (Reply 19):
Lexy, I know how you feel brother. As airline geeks, we all want to see as many airlines, aircraft types, and routes, out of our home airports. I also tend to get a little annoyed when AUS always gets the new nonstops, then SAT always comes later (RDU, SAN, MDW, DEN are all examples). At least BNA is still a top ten city (I think).

I didn't mean to offend, as I think BNA is a great place to make transfers and a fine city. I always choose it over BWI when possible when making my frequent trips with the family between SAT and PVD. But, I tend to lump BNA (maybe wrongly) in with the second tier cities such as PIT, CVG, MKE, IND, while I consider DEN a first tier city along with MSP, ATL, PHX, and D/FW. Whereas DEN can link places such as GEG/FLL and TUS/IND, I don't think BNA could do that.

Oh, okay now. I understand where you are coming from then. Unfortunatly, BNA is no longer a top ten city for WN. We are a top 15 city, but no longer a top ten thanks to DEN and a couple others in the network gaining flights a while back, while BNA was getting some flights yanked.

Nashville isn't a first tier city in the US in any ranking. But it certainly is an vibrant city for air travel in general. Hopefully you see what I mean here. It's one of those things that is hard to put into words you know.?



Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7111 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5593 times:



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 20):
They have been in DEN since 2005. And it hasn't even paid off yet. I dunno if it will ever pay off. I'm still waiting to see that happen.

Frankly they are growing way too fast to be profitable. Nobody can grow at that rate and expect it to be profitable. Clearly they don't either, but believe it is performing better than the average set of new routes. That might be true. New routes take at least a year to make money and in this economy probably two. Such a huge % of the DEN operation falls into that category, how could it make money?


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5583 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 22):
Frankly they are growing way too fast to be profitable.

I agree with this. Could this possibly be the retaliation against F9 (for losing the bid) that some A.netters predicted?



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User currently offlineTxAgKuwait From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1803 posts, RR: 42
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5434 times:



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We, F9 folks, never said that nor are we saying that. We are saying that WN is not currently turning a profit in DEN.

Okay. Here's my challenge: Prove it.

I don't mean cite so-called analysts who say that they are losing money. Show me some hard and fast evidence that WN is losing money at Denver.

I don't think you can prove it. Why? because it doesn't lend itself to proof one way or the other.

There are as many ways to assign costs as there are certified public accountants. You can cost out Denver on a fully allocated cost basis, an added cost basis. You can look at their loads and yields and use the system CASM or you can stage[length-adjust the CASM. There are thousands of ways to show them losing money, there are at least that many to demonstrate that they are making money.

They haven't had to take a chapter bankruptcy so they must be doing something right.

The bottom line is Denver is in the right spot, it generates a ton of O&D traffic, and IIRC someone on here posted some DOT data that suggested WN was on UA's heels as far as Denver O&D is concerned....with F9 quite a ways behind.

What I am hearing is that WN will, in fact, make it 37 profitable years in a row....so they are obviously doing something right.


25 AirframeAS : Okay. Look it up on any That Frontier Threads and the RAH buys F9 thread. You'll have your answer. I'm not doing your homework for you.
26 Luv08 : Why does it have to be a retaliation? I would like to call it buisness. I don't dispute that WN is losing money in DEN. They are and probably will fo
27 Mariner : I was going to stay out of this thread, but what the hey? I can't think why. Again, I can't think why. About 99% of a.net. mariner
28 AirframeAS : Then I challenge you to show it and post it here. Without sounding too childish here, but I double dog dare you to. (That is a dare you cannot back o
29 N200WN : My view is much less sinister. Of the three new routes that Southwest has announced since losing the bid, two are in markets not served by Frontier.
30 SlcDeltaRUmd11 : I am sure that UA isnt too thrilled by this news either I can't see UA, F9, and WN competing at this frequency in DEN no less with WN continuing to ex
31 AirframeAS : I think this is probably a good time to make DEN a slot restricted airport. I can definately see that idea coming within the next 5 years or so, at t
32 Atrude777 : Heeeey that was my quote!!! Alex
33 Antoniemey : According to all the numbers available, F9 isn't losing money in DEN. It also seems that UA has given up a lot of leisure markets from DEN and is now
34 N200WN : You can't possibly be serious?
35 AirframeAS : Why do people keep asking me if I am serious in different topics? If I was not serious, I wouldn't have posted it to begin with. YES, I am serious.
36 UAL747DEN : I think you are forgetting F9 and they will be adding service from DEN in the future. You can also count on UA adding service to DEN, it has been a l
37 Luv08 : Yes but now that they are no longer in Banruptcy will it stay that way? They can't hide behind the courts now. Again, now that they are out of Chapte
38 Mariner : I know - and I meant to give you credit for it. It's the most sensible thing that's been said in this thread. Of course not. It was carved in granite
39 UAL747DEN : You are so far out of reality I don't know if its even worth responding to you! DEN was built to handle MUCH more traffic than they have now! DEN is
40 N702ML : First off....I don't agree with anything you say...ever. Second off....I would be curious where your animosity against WN comes from since, if I reca
41 AirframeAS : Had WN not returned to DEN, F9 would probably would still be in the state that it still was before it entered bankruptcy, or worse.... (checkmark) An
42 Mariner : That's isn't what I mean by it. mariner
43 AirframeAS : Then do explain, if you will, please?
44 N200WN : That doesn't really explain much. If I remember correctly (and it's all becoming a big blur), I think Mariner's point was that after WN's arrival in
45 Mariner : Why? I don't want to be part of any war that anyone has between Frontier and Southwest. I don't see it as a war and I see no need for a war. Southwes
46 Lexy : Oh yeah it can. If it was the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, then we would see things much differently there. I fail, along with most everyon
47 Luv08 : Yeah, thats right I did say that.... It doesn't matter my point is that statement whether it be from you or anyone else drinking the F9 kool aid, it
48 Mariner : When did I say that? Do you always go through an open door without checking what might be on the other side? Well, well, each to their own. mariner
49 Enilria : Again, I don't know that retaliation is the right word for it, but I believe they will attempt to finish the job. They were extremely inept for letti
50 UAL747DEN : Please tell me which airport is better for coast to coast connections than DEN? What is so special about the place is that it is a brand new airport
51 UAL747DEN : Here you are again making these comments that just the other day you said you were so sorry for after several of your coworkers told you to stop and
52 Mariner : A Southwest supporter here worked it out at about a 3% capacity hit. Let's be super pessimistic and call it 5% capacity hit. That doesn't include the
53 AirframeAS : Same here. How did it end up with F9 in the mix? It sure was not me.... Backtracking, Reply 4 and reply 5 fueled it.
54 AirFrnt : In other words, DEN is a hub for WN. No. Honestly, WN is not in the same position they were two years ago. There is a lot of weakness floating around
55 F9fan : I woner if they will get around to consolidating their gates at concourse C? Right now, WN gates almost form a dumbell around the C concourse. This ca
56 AirframeAS : Let me ask: Suppose that AA or UA or US goes into Ch.11 protection next. Do they have to do the same thing that F9 did, meaning they cannot emerge as
57 Atrude777 : Oh Thanks! Anytime we can agree on something I will take a photo of it! It also makes the most sense. As been mentioned, it seems every move by WN is
58 ADent : What are they going to do with the terminal train? It is pretty full these days I wonder how they plan to add capacity. Fully built out C, D, & E wou
59 Antoniemey : And you yet again show that you have no clue what it was that caused F9 to file for Chapter 11. Sorry. I'd say he started it, but that would be child
60 Mariner : Get your camera ready - it's possible we agree a lot more than you think. As here: Yes. Not everything that happens is retaliation - or provocation.
61 AirframeAS : I never said they were. I only asked if this was a possible retaliation in regards to losing the bid to RAH. That's all. Am I allowed to ask question
62 Mariner : I wasn't replying to you. I quoted Atrude777. If I quote someone, I am responding to that person. mariner
63 UAL747DEN : Sorry were not going anywhere either! The airport is actually wanting to get these runways built ASAP. Even though there is no need for them at this
64 SlcDeltaRUmd11 : F9 might be making money temporarily which is relative since they just recently filed for bankruptcy, but they have lost money in DEN for so many qua
65 Mariner : Recently filed? Frontier emerged from Chapter 11 last Thursday. mariner
66 AirFrnt : C concourse is dinky enough that it's not a issue. What's likely to be a issue is that at the rate WN is growing, C concourse will run out of gates b
67 Enilria : Instead of being optimistic or pessimistic, let's actually calculate it. Jul 625K seats/month from Denver for F9/YX (All operators except ZK) Nov 543
68 ADent : Extending the line doesn't add capacity between A & B (all non-A passengers have to pass thru this point). They have to run trains more often, space
69 Mariner : To expand the airline. Those aircraft aren't sitting round on the ground doing jack. Those aircraft are flying - at no financial risk - from Frontier
70 Enilria : As I said on another thread, it seems like 15% of all a.net postings are F9 related. How are they "at no financial risk"? If those flights lose money
71 Antoniemey : Actually, my understanding is that it's quite common for separate corporate entities under the same parent company to do all the business as if they
72 Post contains images Mariner : Most of those postings happen in threads about Frontier.    It's how the big Hollywood studios make a deal of their money. The studios - not necess
73 AirframeAS : Just out of curiosity, how does that work with the AS/QX scenario under the AAG? IIRC, both companies have separate HQ's and stuff like that....
74 Ridgid727 : This thread is going way off track. I know some of the facilities curators at Wn, and I can assure you that WN getting another gate or several gates a
75 Rj777 : Too bad WN won't do nonstop between DEN and OMA b/c we've already got that from F9 and UA.
76 Luv08 : They do, don't they?
77 Iowaman : WN already flies three non-stops DEN-OMA?
78 XT6Wagon : The fact that DEN WN went to isn't the DEN WN left escape your mind? DEN when WN first was in the denver market was horrible. It cost WN huge both in
79 Swa4life : Just to touch on something. I often hear people talking about how Southwest is losing money in DEN and they don't understand why they compete so vigor
80 Mariner : Objectively, why can't the market support three? mariner
81 AirFrnt : Both of these statements remind me of the institutional arrogance that the legacies have had over the last 50 years. The argument that you make: This
82 Amatiel : I don't think they'll do this as they want to fly to Mexico themselves in the near (within a few years) future. I believe this was one of the things
83 Mariner : True, I'd forgotten that. Thanks. I wonder if the auction represented the orgasm of the relationship? It has been a complex relationship, and obvious
84 F9fan : The trains could add one car now without any addional modifications. The central stations are large enough to where they could easily add more doors
85 Post contains links Mariner : Because of the Frontier hangar situation, there' some interesting stuff coming to light about the cost of doing business in Denver and at DIA, though
86 UAL747DEN : Your forgetting through that WN didn't want DIA to be built, they wanted Stapleton to stay. The only reason WN left DEN was because of the new airpor
87 AirFrnt : WN left before Denver started discussing the new airport. They left because of the delays at Stapleton. It was CO that wanted Stapleton to stay - alt
88 PlaneAdmirer : Sort of serves the City right - and, again, I live here. Politicians are the smartest kids on the playground just the most ruthless.
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WN Adding 7 Flights At MSY In Mid-November? posted Tue Oct 25 2005 16:43:47 by Tom in NO
Fll Maybe Adding Terminal A + Check In Area! posted Wed Feb 2 2005 03:25:27 by Njdevilsin03
Possible Gate Shuffle At DEN posted Thu Aug 6 2009 16:19:53 by F9fan
What A Combined F9 And WN Would Look Like At DEN posted Sat Aug 1 2009 09:54:26 by F9fan
WN "Classic" In Pea Green Today? posted Fri Jul 24 2009 14:36:50 by KELPkid
WN Flight Diverts: "Hole" In Fuselage! posted Mon Jul 13 2009 16:08:33 by Lexy
Delta Gate Signage In SFO... posted Mon Apr 13 2009 23:35:13 by Aeroflot777