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Canceled UA LAX Intl Routes  
User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3171 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 10148 times:

I was just thinking about why UA calls LAX a hub-it is more of a secondary hub, or a large focus city. I know they used to be larger than they currently are INTL wise. I can only think of a few routes, I know there is more.

LAX-HKG
LAX-AKL
LAX-FRA
LAX-MEL(Will it be returning this Christmas, and it was only like for a week)
LAX-CDG?


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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3171 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 10118 times:

I also think UA canceled San Salvador, San Jose, and Guatemala City not only from LAX but system wide.


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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3171 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 10053 times:

Canceled: LAX-KIX-after 9/11?


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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 10031 times:



Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):

How far back do you want to go?

UA flew LAXACA and LAXSJD back in 1992-93 with 737s. They also very briefly served LAXGRU with 747SPs around the same timeframe. They did fly LAXCDG at one point as well.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26128 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9975 times:



Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 3):
LAXSJD

They fly LAX-SJD today

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 2):
Canceled: LAX-KIX-after 9/11?

It was OSA and assumed from Pan Am. Did not last long and was long gone prior to 9/11.



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User currently offlineCws818 From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1176 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9913 times:



Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
LAX-CDG?

Yes, this is a former route.
More recently cancelled:
LAX-GUA-SJO
LAX-SAL



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9897 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
They fly LAX-SJD today

Good point, it was restarted by Ted a couple years ago.



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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4064 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9897 times:
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Quoting Cws818 (Reply 5):
Yes, this is a former route.
More recently cancelled:
LAX-GUA-SJO
LAX-SAL

Yes. UA has elected to codeshare with TA on these three routes.

Even though they are still flying LAX-MEX like 1-2 times weekly, I'd add that to the list. I don't see how much longer they'll keep that around as I'm still trying to figure out why they haven't axed it altogether minus the 1-2 weekly.


User currently offlineLAX25R From United States of America, joined May 2008, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 9432 times:

UA flies LAX-MEL via SYD daily on UA839 but currently don't serve it non-stop. I know they tried doing it non-stop in the past but cancelled it as they couldn't profitably fly the route due to the weight restrictions. The restrictions meant they couldn't fly a full passenger load. Qantas can do it more easily as they have the 744ER.

User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4064 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9220 times:
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Quoting LAX25R (Reply 8):
UA flies LAX-MEL via SYD daily on UA839 but currently don't serve it non-stop. I know they tried doing it non-stop in the past but cancelled it as they couldn't profitably fly the route due to the weight restrictions. The restrictions meant they couldn't fly a full passenger load. Qantas can do it more easily as they have the 744ER.

UA flies it nonstop during the upcoming Winter holidays on a seasonal basis.

Didn't the short lived LAX-FRA do rather well for UA? I thought they mainly axed it because of fuel costs and it was better overall for LH to handle those trips from LAX .


User currently offlineAirlittoralguy From France, joined Nov 2005, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9160 times:

Does someone has the schedules for the LAX-CDG LAX-AKL, LAX-HKG and LAX-KIX former flights ?

If you have flight numbers and time of departures from both airports it would be very helpful to me.

Thanks in advance



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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3217 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9136 times:



Quoting Airlittoralguy (Reply 10):
If you have flight numbers



Quoting Airlittoralguy (Reply 10):
LAX-HKG

UA867 westbound, and I *think* UA856 eastbound. I'm certain it was 867 westbound though


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2907 posts, RR: 31
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9103 times:

LAX-CDG has been gone for quite some time - AF has the natural advantage on this run thanks to its massive feed from its CDG hub. AA couldn't make that flight work either. UA has also cut its SFO-CDG flight though, focusing on flying only to primary Star hubs at LHR and FRA.

LAX-HKG returned and LAX-FRA began with much fanfare, but both were quickly cut due to the run-up in fuel prices. I imagine these flights would have probably stayed if they had the chance to catch on, although in both cases UA is competing for pax against superior foreign airlines with tremendous onward feed advantages.

LAX-AKL was a long, thin flight. New Zealand is a very small market, and though it is a developed country, you don't see much tremendous wealth down there like you might in many European countries, Australia, Canada, and the U.S.

LAX-GUA/SAL were longstanding flights, but both have been cut in lieu of the TACA codeshare. UA just doesn't have the right hubs to serve Central America effectively - they tried SJO from ORD and IAD without success, I can't see any other cities working from either hub. LAX is a big gateway, but you won't have many people willing to fly JFK-LAX-GUA. No surprise to see this small markets cut, either.

LAX-MEL is not possible year-round without taking a substantial payload reduction or making a stop. Luckily, the weather is favorable during the peak U.S.-Australia travel season.

LAX-KIX hasn't worked out for any airline. UA also cut ORD-KIX and HNL-KIX despite its strong presence in the transpacific market. The dismal Japanese economy doesn't help the bottom line.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26128 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9012 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 9):
UA flies it nonstop during the upcoming Winter holidays on a seasonal basis.

Not this year.

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 9):
Didn't the short lived LAX-FRA do rather well for UA? I thought they mainly axed it because of fuel costs and it was better overall for LH to handle those trips from LAX .

Yes the loads in the back were great, premium classes only so-so. With 3x LH flights, UA managed to pickup more of the lower yielding flow which probably did not pay for the flight.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 12):
LAX-AKL

Besides obvious code-sharing with NZ, the main reason AKL was discounted was very high station cost that simply could not be supported off the revenue of a single flight.

United had a large(96) senior workforce in New Zealand (some inherit from Pan Am still).

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 12):

LAX-GUA/SAL were longstanding flights, but both have been cut in lieu of the TACA codeshare

Both GUA & SAL had excellent loads but like AKL suffered under infrastructure and senior labor cost. Ability to broadly code-share with TACA made it a win-win for the carrier.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 12):
LAX-KIX

UA never served LAX-KIX. They flew LAX-OSA(mostly with 747SP) post PA Pacific takeover. Its was not a long lived route.



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User currently offlineSkytony From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 8988 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):

United did serve LAX-KIX..it was done with a 747 and I know it flew sometime in 1997-1998.



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User currently offlineCyberUAL From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8826 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):

LAXINTL,

UA Did serve KIX from LAX. The flight number was UA817 LAX-KIX-SEL. The flight discontinued maybe in 1999.


User currently offlineAznCSA4QF744ER From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 696 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8767 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 11):
UA867 westbound, and I *think* UA856 eastbound. I'm certain it was 867 westbound though

You're correct!

UA856 routing SGN//HKG//LAX


User currently offlineAznCSA4QF744ER From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 696 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8743 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 12):
LAX-HKG returned and LAX-FRA began with much fanfare, but both were quickly cut due to the run-up in fuel prices. I imagine these flights would have probably stayed if they had the chance to catch on, although in both cases UA is competing for pax against superior foreign airlines with tremendous onward feed advantages.

I missed that two routes dearly. It was fuel that murdered these two routes.

UA904 LAX//FRA
UA905 FRA//LAX

UA867 IAD//LAX//HKG//SGN
UA856 SGN//HKG//LAX//IAD


User currently offlineJohnClipper From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2005, 855 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks ago) and read 8342 times:

But the HKG-SGN-HKG route survives as a tag-on from SFO now.

User currently offlineAzstar From United States of America, joined May 2005, 629 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks ago) and read 8281 times:

I believe UA is shifting most of its international routes to SFO to consolidate. They've decreased domestic flights to LAX also and increased them to SFO .

User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9803 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6610 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 12):
LAX-AKL was a long, thin flight. New Zealand is a very small market, and though it is a developed country, you don't see much tremendous wealth down there like you might in many European countries, Australia, Canada, and the U.S.

That route was more of a trade with Air New Zealand. NZ was struggling with its SYD-LAX flight nonstop and UA had the high costs of its AKL service. With both in Star, NZ moved its 747s to AKL-LAX and let UA control the Star Alliance crowd on the SYD-LAX route. It made sense and I think both profited well until the destruction of yields with Delta and V Australia coming into the mix.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26128 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6510 times:



Quoting Skytony (Reply 14):
United did serve LAX-KIX..it was done with a 747 and I know it flew sometime in 1997-1998.



Quoting CyberUAL (Reply 15):
UA Did serve KIX from LAX. The flight number was UA817 LAX-KIX-SEL. The flight discontinued maybe in 1999.

OK guys thanks, for whatever reason I just dont recall this.

But I reserched it and UA indeed ran the service between Sept 1994 and May 1999.

The big historical player in the market however was NWA with its 742 flight to OSA/KIX.

I however do recall the UA DC-10 freighter service LAX-ANC-KIX during the late 90s.  Smile



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User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5390 times:



Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 3):
They did fly LAXCDG at one point as well.



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 12):
LAX-CDG has been gone for quite some time - AF has the natural advantage on this run thanks to its massive feed from its CDG hub. AA couldn't make that flight work either. UA has also cut its SFO-CDG flight though, focusing on flying only to primary Star hubs at LHR and FRA.

It wasn't just Air France's feed. Disney switched it's contract for flying on that route to Air France. United cut its losses and dropped the route. Disney switched their flying back to United later.

The route ended 2001 or 2002, a little after American dropped its own short lived LAX-CDG (LAX-ORY until Summer 2001).


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3171 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5231 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 11):

Yup..the routing was IAD-LAX-HKG. I flew UA 867 from IAD-LAX on a 777 in August.



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User currently offlineDFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1076 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4834 times:



Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 22):
The route ended 2001 or 2002, a little after American dropped its own short lived LAX-CDG (LAX-ORY until Summer 2001).

AA was not flying to ORY up to summer 2001 – they moved everything to CDG in 1999. AA started LAX-ORY on June 1st 1999 and moved the route to CDG (along with all their Paris flights) on October 1st. LAX-CDG was terminated two years later in November 2001. It is noteworthy that this cancellation was announced prior to 9/11.



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25 Victrola : What has been the problem with LAX-MEX? At one time in the 1990s they were flying this 3 times a day. Now I think it is 2 times per week. I used to us
26 Trojanclipper : Wasn't LAX-HKG also part of the ill-fated UA1 and UA2 when they had their round-the-world service? I know I flew it last August, but can't remember th
27 LAXintl : Once Mexicana pulled out from Star the dynamics of the LAX-MEX market changed dramatically for United. Its simply a market that requires frequency, so
28 Timz : Correct-- LAX-HKG-DEL-LHR-IAD-LAX and back. Started 2001, ended ...2001?
29 AZNCSA4QF744ER : HKGSGNHKG started in Dec2004 as UA869 from SFO. With the LAX service it shifted the routing to LAX instead to lour the Vietnamese population down her
30 USAirALB : Where does it continue to now? And how bad did EZE do? I think that UA will eventually restart HKG.
31 LACA773 : They got this route from PA when they sold their Latin American routes to UA. I completely agree with you on that. UA should drop LAX-MEX so someone
32 AZNCSA4QF744ER : Sadly, UA867 only operate IAD//LAX until 24OCT. Then UA867 will switch over to operate IAD//SFO. I hope one day SOON UA will restart HKG flight again
33 Timz : How about LAX nonstop to pre-Kansai Osaka-- has anyone found a UA timetable showing that?
34 LAXintl : Dont have timetable but OSA flying was definately porior to 1990. I do however show United ran LAX-SEL nonstop briefly also between 5/90 - 2/91
35 ZK-NBT : LAX-AKL was something like this in the Northern Summer when the AKL-MEL sector was operated. LAX 2230 AKL 0600 AKL 0745 MEL 0935 Northern Summer MEL
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