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User currently offlineAdriaticflight From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 517 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9266 times:

Shall we continue the Balkan Aviation topic here, the old one was getting a bit large.

I was wondering what people thought of Romania's aviation picture? I see that Bluair are starting flights from London-Thessalonki which is quite a brave move, considering their route Brussels-London was a disaster. This means that Blueair operate from London to:
Bucharest
Sibiu
Bacau
Thessalonki

This airline is quite unknown in the UK, i am looking to fly them myself sometime soon. The airline also has connections between Thessaloni and Phapos as well as a domestic flight within Italy (Milan Bergamo-Naples). This is certainly an increasingly diverse airline. Any thoughts?

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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4923 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 9262 times:



Quoting Adriaticflight (Thread starter):
Blueair operate from London to:
Bucharest
Sibiu
Bacau
Thessalonki

Worth noting Bacau is from Luton, with the rest from Stansted

Quoting Adriaticflight (Thread starter):
domestic flight within Italy (Milan Bergamo-Naples)

That is also on sale with On Air, a virtual airline for who Blue Air also do some flying exclusively for them. It goes some way to replace My Air which flew the route, though with only three flights a week it might be hard to break into the larger Milan to Naples market. Reminds a bit of their attempt at STN-BRU, which also had a similar low frequency

Quoting Adriaticflight (Thread starter):
This is certainly an increasingly diverse airline. Any thoughts?

There's only so many opportunities in Romania. Thessalonki, being in the same region is a logical place to expand into, and their new Italian domestic route has an Italian partner as I said above, reducing the risk. Plus Italy is already an important Blue Air market

What is particularly interesting for me, is there move into regional flights with a Saab 2000. As a LoCo this is extremely rare



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User currently offlineConnector4you From Canada, joined May 2001, 932 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9183 times:



Quoting Adriaticflight (Thread starter):
I see that Bluair are starting flights
from London-Thessalonki which is quite a brave move, considering their route Brussels-London was a disaster.


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Aside from their existent strong hold routes, BlueAir seem to be poised on taking their business to Europe and I think we'll see more of this "start and drop" game until they'll finally settle down for a few profitable ones. With three B737-800 in operation and other three B737-900ER on order plus ongoing negotiation with Boeing for 10 more B738/739 aircraft, they'll have to identify a market-niche for themselves and a low-cost business model to suit these large one-class layout capacity aircraft.


User currently offlineAdriaticflight From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9135 times:

Maybe Bluair could move into the Skyeurope class of airline. Has anyone had any experience flying them?

Quoting Humberside (Reply 1):
Reminds a bit of their attempt at STN-BRU, which also had a similar low frequency

I also remember seeing that prices were quite a bit more than eurostar and certainly not particularly 'low cost', however STN-BRU is an unserved route, yet without advertising i can imagine it would be hard to make it work. This is especially true as that region of england is the best connected with euston/st. pancras area meaning eurostar is easy to take to Brussels.


User currently offlineVlada From Serbia, joined Aug 2005, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9097 times:

From this morning's "Politika" newspaper:

Fly NIKI has received an interim permit to start flying on BEG-VIE route. Flights will beggin from February 1st, 2010.
"Politika's" source says that the cheapest one-way ticket will be €29, with tax (?). It is stated that NIKI has been trying to obtain a permit for the line for a long time.


User currently offlineFatmirJusufi From Albania, joined Jan 2009, 2441 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8949 times:

JP is going to put A319s in its fleet.

More
http://bit.ly/5LsNA

@Adriaticflight
I have a little request. Could you rename this thread into Balkans Aviation Thread #3, as we used to have the previous ones.

Regards,
Fatmir



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27106 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (5 years 14 hours ago) and read 8836 times:

JAT is hoping to acquire licenses to fly from the Bosnian Serb capital of Banja Luka to various European destinations and also from Skopje to UK and Germany. They hope to have this for starting next Spring.

User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2691 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (5 years 13 hours ago) and read 8817 times:
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I have a question, i read that Tarom is starting flight to Belgrade, and their flights are loaded on the site of the airport, but there is nothing on their site. Does that mean that they still didn't get the permission or what..?
And there is no word on Malév and their flights, there were some news about them as well.

As far as BlueAir goes, doesn't their flight go from Larnaca to Bucharest via Thessaloniki? A friend of mine flew that route and he told me that he couldn't find a single seat for the SKG part. So that means that they can sell as well from Cyprus. Ah it must be a huge blow to Cyprus Airways and Aegean!

By the way, does anyone know what is Jat's strategy once all these airlines start flying into Belgrade?


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27106 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (5 years 12 hours ago) and read 8811 times:



Quoting JU068 (Reply 7):
Ah it must be a huge blow to Cyprus Airways and Aegean!

Not really who can you interline with and use codeshares with from Cyprus to SKG and onwards? With Aegean you can fly LCA-SKG and onwards with their Star Alliance partners.


User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2691 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (5 years 12 hours ago) and read 8803 times:
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Yeah but who does that? So mostly the traffic between the two cities is O&D

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27106 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (5 years 12 hours ago) and read 8800 times:



Quoting JU068 (Reply 9):
Yeah but who does that? So mostly the traffic between the two cities is O&D

SKG will in future play a bigger role in connecting traffic with the growth of A3 and OA and the new subsidary being set up by Olympic Air due to launch Spring 2010.


User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2691 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (5 years 12 hours ago) and read 8786 times:
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Yeah but that is for the future, I am talking for this moment now, and at this moment it's O&D, which means that it is competition to CY and A3  Smile

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27106 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (5 years 12 hours ago) and read 8788 times:



Quoting JU068 (Reply 11):
Yeah but that is for the future, I am talking for this moment now, and at this moment it's O&D, which means that it is competition to CY and A3

I wonder how long Bluair will last in SKG  scratchchin 


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4923 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (5 years 11 hours ago) and read 8765 times:



Quoting JU068 (Reply 7):
As far as BlueAir goes, doesn't their flight go from Larnaca to Bucharest via Thessaloniki?

BBU-LCA is non stop
BBU-PFO flights stop en-route at SKG



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User currently offlineConnector4you From Canada, joined May 2001, 932 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 hours ago) and read 8729 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 8):
Quoting JU068 (Reply 7):
Ah it must be a huge blow to Cyprus Airways and Aegean!

Not really who can you interline with and use codeshares with from Cyprus to SKG and onwards? With Aegean you can fly LCA-SKG and onwards with their Star Alliance partners.

Back in 2007 Aegean negotiated with BlueAir's owner for a quick sale. Discussions broke down !


User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2691 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 hours ago) and read 8711 times:
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Seriously I don't even see why would they fly into SKG, especially why on their way to Cyprus when there is enough passengers to sustain a direct flight. In my opinion their planes are way to big for such a route.
Does Tarom fly the route?

Isn't there someone from Romania to help us here  Smile


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27106 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (4 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8640 times:



Quoting JU068 (Reply 15):
why would they fly into SKG,

Head of MIG has said in an interview that they havnt ruled out seasonal Australia- SKG flights
 Wink


User currently offlineConnector4you From Canada, joined May 2001, 932 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (4 years 12 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8600 times:



Quoting JU068 (Reply 7):
I have a question, i read that Tarom is starting flight to Belgrade
, and their flights are loaded on the site of the airport, but there is nothing on their site. Does that mean that they still didn't get the permission or what..?

It's loaded on Amadeus, three weekly service starting Dec 07, 2009

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User currently offlineAdriaticflight From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8553 times:

Its not on their website  Sad

User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2691 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (4 years 12 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8505 times:
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I just hope that the prices will be reasonable, the same goes for Malév!

User currently offlinePutnik From Brazil, joined Aug 2007, 229 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (4 years 12 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8465 times:



Quoting JU068 (Reply 19):
I just hope that the prices will be reasonable, the same goes for Malév!

Having in mind the fact that RO will be the sole carrier on this route, I'm doubtful Tarom prices will be that friendly. On the other hand, I'm positively curious to see the schedules, prices and eventual loads for Malév flights to Budapest. Somehow I can't imagine this route being truly successful without having MA long haul flights to connect to. I am really looking forward to be proven wrong and seeing what the game plan is.



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User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2691 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (4 years 12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8449 times:
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What is the aim of Tarom? O&D traffic or transfer passengers? As I don't see the times of their departure from Belgrade as tranfer friendly.
And as Malév goes, I think they know there is enough O&D traffic as why would they start a daily flight. Plus Malév does fly to a lot of destinations not served by Jat in Europe as well as Middle-East so I am sure they want to grab some of those from other carriers.

Does anyone know when they will load the flights and when we can book them?


User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2691 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (4 years 12 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8439 times:
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For all those interested Jat is opening tomorrow another sale, but this time only for a few routes, those being:

-BEG- CDG 50euros
-LHR- BEG 30GDP
-BEG- LHR 40GDP
-BEG- TXL 50 euros
-FRA- BEG 40 euros
-FCO- BEG 75 euros

Naturally the taxes were not included. I don't understand why sell in one direction and not in the other one? Wouldn't it be easier to just have a sale like the last two times? And this doesn't look THAT cheap to me! Last time it was 50 euros return, which cost me LCA-BEG the first time 107 euros and then the second time 102...


User currently offlineFlycro From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8358 times:

Whats this about OU starting BEG and ATH?

User currently offlineLuka From Serbia, joined Aug 2006, 185 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8350 times:



Quoting JU068 (Reply 21):
And as Malév goes, I think they know there is enough O&D traffic as why would they start a daily flight. Plus Malév does fly to a lot of destinations not served by Jat in Europe as well as Middle-East so I am sure they want to grab some of those from other carriers.

In my opinion, Malev is no longer big competition for Jat. First of all Malev has received slots and a licence but they haven’t listed flights to BEG or started selling tickets, which could mean they won’t even start flights. They no longer fly to the US which was the main reason they wanted to start flying to BEG. If you want to connect via a city to go to the west why the hell would you use BUD. VIE has much better connections at virtually any time of the day. And lastly Malev flies to many destinations that Jat flies to. For the same price you can fly to WE using Jat directly then flying via Budapest. There are destinations that Malev serves which are not operated by Jat but I think they can hardly make a profit out of it. Just my 2 cents.


25 FatmirJusufi : Great news from PRN. Today AB started PRN - ZRH operations. Afterwards with German destinations.
26 JU068 : Yeah but then we can say why would MA fly to Romania, Bulgaria, Montenegro and all the other odd destinations in the Balkans and Eastern Europe. Proba
27 DHR : CTN will launch these services from the summer timetable, reports are 4x BEG and 3x ATH most likely with Q400 aircraft. I suppose Jat will also have
28 Putnik : I would be really surprised to see that there is enough O&D traffic between BEG and BUD to warrant a daily service.
29 JU068 : Like I said, there is surely enough O&D, but not for a daily flight but for a few times a week yes, you left the most important part out. Plus so many
30 Post contains links and images Connector4you : It is very likely that Malev would make use of Budapest Aircraft Service's Embraer 120 on its daily run to BEG. View Large View MediumPhoto © HG
31 Adriaticflight : That would have been a good route Am flying Wizz to TSR next month, am looking forward to it. Is that for sure? yeah! if it comes off. It will make g
32 PlymSpotter : I took them on a brief BBU-ARW flight back in April last year. Nice little airline, but horridly cramped at BBU - once the expansion is complete they
33 Post contains links and images Connector4you : Along BA, easyJet Germanwings and LOT showed some interest on operating flights to Timisoara. View Large View MediumPhoto © Winston Smith Things
34 JU068 : LOT in TSR? Why would they fly there?
35 IliriBDL : Didn't they mention something in the news about a JFK flight again?
36 FatmirJusufi : Ilir, I doubt on that. Maybe they are going to have an agreement for connection flights but who knows, we could see AB doing JFK-PRN route one day! T
37 IliriBDL : Yeah it was weird, cause they showed the AB plane landing at PRN, cool sight, then mentioned that they'll be announcing new routes soon including som
38 FatmirJusufi : ... and many, many others! There were a lot of destinations hence can't remember for now!
39 Putnik : TSR has a substantial catchment area and LOT actually needs every single connecting passenger in order to stay afloat on North American market. Since
40 JU068 : True and they have an adequate aircraft as well, I think the E-145 would be perfect for the route. How are they doing with their North American routes
41 Post contains links TIA : TIA posted a 9% growth in the number of passengers in the first 9 months of the year. While PRN grew by 5%. http://www.tirana-airport.com/?p=1,En,5,2,
42 FatmirJusufi : Great improvement. What actually caused this growth? Don't you think Belle Air's expansion fleet could be one of the major factors? Fatmir
43 Aleksandar : A good choice for them Woow, lots of new airlines in Belgrade : Niki, Malev, Tarom, CTN in summer
44 JoKeR : Add LN to that, apparently effective 28 March TIP-BEG with A320/CR9
45 Aleksandar : Oh yes
46 Vasu : Is there a particular reason so many airlines are adding BEG? Awesome news for the airport!
47 FatmirJusufi : EU visa liberalization from January 1st, 2010.
48 JoKeR : Plus the loss of confidence in JAT by Serbian travelers...
49 FatmirJusufi : Including yourself?
50 Aleksandar : Fatmir already answered your question. Let me add you something more...It seems that Serbian government and Belgrade airport are also fed up with JAT
51 JU068 : I don't see why should the government be fed up of Jat, they are the ones that brought it to this state! Plus I am sure that an average fed up passeng
52 Post contains links and images Connector4you : Aside from BlueAir's succcess story, perhaps the finest and most comprehensive picture of Romania's aviation scene of today's comes from Carpatair wh
53 Adriaticflight : Any idea why Ryanair doesn't move into the UK-Romania market? maybe with 3weekly to Timisoara or to the dozens of underserved airports there?
54 JU068 : Or even the Spain-Romania. RO operates or operated with the 310 that route. Or has it become over-saturated now...?
55 Aleksandar : It has nothing to do with the cheapest option. JAT is old-fashioned company that constantly refuses to change and move on.Every fiscal year in more t
56 JU068 : All I am saying is that if JU does offer the lowest price, people are going to take it. Most of them don't care which airline it is as long as it's th
57 AlexEU : Croatia Airlines will start flying BEG-ZAG from May next year! Good news! I found BEG-OTP return ticket for 180 EUR which is too much! The demand is v
58 Aleksandar : Exactly what I tried to say. Come on guys, why do you always have to say it before I get a chance
59 JU068 : Well talking of 'cheap' tickets, Malév has started selling their tickets on the BEG-BUD route, the cheapest return ticket is 58 600 HUF or roughly 21
60 Aleksandar : Hmm, I'll take bus then
61 TIA : I don't have the slightest idea. But I will be shocked if there are direct flights TIA-PDG or TIA-TIV. It's faster driving than taking the plane. I k
62 Adriaticflight : no wonder nobody flys Malev anymore blood rip off however what we are seeing is an general increase in the number of inter-balkan links, which is a s
63 FatmirJusufi : That would be only during Hajj season I think.
64 AlexEU : We need more flights to Kiev from Belgrade. Only 1x weekly Aerosvit is not enough. And the ticket is around 500 EUR return which is sooo expensive!! M
65 Dc9northwest : I don't think there's a Bucharest-Kiev flight... Carpatair tried it but then quit the route either very soon after or even before it started. Ryanair
66 JU068 : @Dc9northwest Can you tell me what's the problem with Ryanair and Romania? Does Iberia still fly to Romania? I remember when i was in Madrid I saw com
67 AlexEU : This sounds almost impossible, with TAROM, Aerosvit and Ukraine Int´l around.... That is more expensive then my AirAsia X 9 hours flight to Australi
68 TIA : I don't think so. There is no high demand from Albania for Hajj. Maybe a plane or two. Definitely not that much more. The new owner of LV thinks that
69 FatmirJusufi : Me neither! What aircrafts they are supposed to operate these new routes?
70 Thomas_Jaeger : Evsen has signed a deal earlier this year to buy 15 Fokker 100s that have been or still are operated by KLM cityhopper and they also own Eagle Aviatio
71 TIA : Fatmir, Do you know anything about Tafa Air (another retarded name for an airline)? It's supposed to start flying on Dec 1st TIA-PRN-Germany. The owne
72 FatmirJusufi : Don't have too much information but I'll keep you informed. I just know they're supposed to start their services from December 1st on some routes, in
73 JU068 : @alexEU Well we are talking about BEG here and 178 euros return for a 1h45 is actually cheap! And I think Krakow would not work, there is simply no re
74 Flycro : Easyjet apparently pulled flights to Bucharest as Romanians didn't buy anything onboard, was this the case with Ryanairs overpriced food and drink tr
75 AlexEU : But it is very hard to get Saudi visa. And there is not that much economic activity between Albania and Saudi Arabia. Destinations like Innsbruck and
76 Post contains links Kiqaboy : TIA here you have a story about TAFA AIR, Tafa Air aims to undercut existing carriers' prices to and from Albania, the largely ethnically-Albanian sel
77 JU068 : But then again, LO's service is very good on that route. They give you newspaper, Polish ones and there is some polish newspaper in English, Warsaw bu
78 Aleksandar : Hmmm, that really is quite expensive, but as for more flight, I doubt there is actual need for them. I am so glad because of them because I was reall
79 JU068 : Yes I usually fly LO when I go out of Cyprus. I took them when I went to AMS and CPH and then this summer in August i flew BEG-WAW-LCA. And like I men
80 Connector4you : That's certainly not the case. Aerlingus's new daily London Gatwick to Bucharest OTP surely brought to an end Easy's juicy profits on the route. It's
81 Post contains links FatmirJusufi : Easyjet to start flights at PRN by June 2010. Link available only in Albanian! http://www.gazetaexpress.com/index.php/artikujt/lexo/19490/C4/C14/
82 Migajos : Hi everyone! As a geographer, I couldnt resist to notice that Romania is not Balkan country. Balkans start south from Danube river
83 Post contains links OA260 : The Balkans The term "The Balkans" covers not only those countries which lie within the boundaries of the "Balkan Peninsula", but may also include Cr
84 Migajos : OA260, check the maps on this wiki article. Romania is not located on Balkan Peninsula (only tiny part near Danube Delta). Romania isnt considered Bal
85 OA260 : You missed the point . Anyway this is not a thread for arguing if its part of the Balkans or not, if its that important maybe set up a new thread in
86 AlexEU : Serbian aviation directorate has invited Ryanair, easyJet and Wizzair to start flying to BEG. Adria Airways will start flying BEG-LJU from next year.
87 Flyboy_se : Hmm, wonder why Romania sent a song to Eurovision Song Contest this year titled " Balkan girls like to party" All of my Romanian friends consider the
88 Post contains links TripleDelta : Another bit of good news for ZAG and BEG - OU is to start a 4x weekly service between the two in 2010! Apparently all the relevant agreements have fin
89 Post contains links and images OA260 : Great news indeed. Your wish is my command Forgot about that lol... --------------------------------
90 Migajos : Were those direct flights to Melbourne and Sydney?? What machines were they using?[Edited 2009-11-22 06:47:35 by migajos]
91 Post contains links and images OA260 : BEG-DXB-SIN-MEL-SYD operated by DC-10
92 Migajos : Thats a long ride to Sydney
93 IliriBDL : Thanks for the pics Philip. Amazing how things have changed though.
94 Post contains links and images OA260 : Id love to have done that trip. Yes it was a huge network. Alot of people forget how big it was. And to see Iraqi Airways with a B727 BEG-BGW and LOT
95 Post contains links and images OA260 : Is this a plan or a pipe dream?
96 FatmirJusufi : Albanian Airlines recently has been re-organised hence the new logo and website design. I cannot confirm about their plans but I've heard some rumors
97 Migajos : seems totally impossible... Where would they fly it?? Even for LOT Polish with huge emmigration to USA, 747 would be too big...
98 FatmirJusufi : Maybe they will use for cargo purposes! In their official website they've announced new destinations incl. Jeddah, Dubai and Tehran.
99 IliriBDL : They can use it to JFK for Albanians in Albania and Kosovo.
100 Aleksandar : Woow, it brings a lot of memories back....but not this particular timetable. In fact, most of those flights listed in the timetable were not realized
101 Adriaticflight : Its sad to think that had the 1990s gone a different route that JAT could well have been the most powerful airline in the east of europe, with a moder
102 AlexEU : Filip, thanks a lot for the scans of time-table!! The reason why I asked for TIV is because I flew it in 1992 (that was my first flight btw), and I do
103 Vlada : Are there any plans to connect Split and Belgrade? Given the number of people travelling to the Adriatic coast lately from this region, I presume the
104 Pe@rson : Some very cheap fares available, e.g. £27 one-way incl. taxes for STN-SXG-BBU. Some cheap prices with Belle for STR-TIA-PRN = seen around €45 one-
105 Post contains links and images Aleksandar : My first flight was also TIV, but on a this View Large View MediumPhoto © John Kelly possibly DC-9
106 TripleDelta : There was no mention of anything similar in the news, but then again even the original story was crammed in on the edge of the paper . However, with
107 OA260 : Welcome I need to check back on my records but shortly after sanctions were partially lifted to allow JAT operate LHR flights I flew to BEG in the Au
108 Putnik : From what I recall, after the suspension of long haul flights and that short lived PEK service, DC-10 was used as a substitute aircraft on heavily se
109 Flyboy_se : Phil, Efharisto poli for the pictures. It brings back a lot of memories. Thank you
110 TIA : Somewhere in between. The group that owns LV, also owns ex-Eagle Air Europe which has two 744s. They have run into delays into getting their AOC, so
111 Post contains links FatmirJusufi : Yeah, it's Evsen Group and it's a company from Azerbaijan! It seems they also do own Eagle Aviation Europe and some other minor companies. Sources ht
112 OA260 : That would have been cool. Such a short flight also. I was quoted around €750 ( in todays money) for a BEG-PEK-BEG in J class on the DC-10 and I wi
113 TIA : Landing is not a problem. Departing with a full load of fuel for a transatlantic flight is.
114 Vlada : Thanks... I would like to see the Split service some time soon. I flew that line very often when I was young, and now, it would be much easier to fly
115 FatmirJusufi : Anyway, I still cannot imagine a fully loaded 747 with PAX traveling PRN or TIA - JFK. After all there's not high demand to operate these routes with
116 Post contains links Pe@rson : From another thread: "EZY (Switzerland) might be starting GVA-PRN by June 2010: Easyjet is coming English airline, Easyjet, have applied for flight pe
117 AlexEU : Topswiss... Btw, I´ve always wondered why are there no flights between BEG and GVA. Lucky you! Maybe, but I remember that return flight had 6 abreas
118 Pe@rson : That is just the call sign of easyJet Switzerland.
119 AlexEU : Yep, I just wrotte it because I like it Btw, do they have to use different permissions then ´´normal´´ easyJet? Most pax don´t even know the dif
120 Aleksandar : In that case, it could be 733 or 722
121 Aleksandar : Now, a question for all. It seems that Marfin Investment Group is getting closer to purchase JAT and merge it with Olympic Air. What do you all think
122 Post contains links AlexEU : Windjet will start flying Nis - Bologna. Good news for Nis ! In Serbian only: http://www.blic.rs/ekonomija.php?id=122273 Montenegro Airlines will also
123 OA260 : If they do what they have done with Olympic Air then it can only be a good thing for JAT and the region.
124 FatmirJusufi : What's current situation at INI? Besides these airlines who else operate there? I'm surprised by them. A very active airline. Fatmir
125 Aleksandar : Finally, some good news for them! Well, I hope so, too. JAT could definitely use such deal, but I don't know how it would all look like.
126 OA260 : I would hate to see the JAT name go though even if it were to Olympic Serbia Colours of the Serbian flag in the rings logo
127 BEG2IAH : According to Serbian daily newspaper, Veceranje Novosti, Mr. Srdjan Radovanovic, Director General of Jat Airways said that JU (i.e., Serbian Governmen
128 JoKeR : Yeah, B92 reported the story as well.... hmmmm TK holding JU.... I'm not convinced really, just prejudice because of history probably, and big cultur
129 Post contains links FatmirJusufi : Link in English http://bit.ly/7sLrdc
130 Post contains links JoKeR : Visas officially lifted, airlines joining the mass hysteria over the subject... JU offering EU flights from 19 euro exclusive, LH from 16 euros, again
131 OA260 : Congrats to Serbia Finally happened. Great news for BEG and the general public.
132 Post contains images IliriBDL : Go to albanianair.com and they show the picture of the 747 and 757. (they're saying 2 747s) This one, which is already painted in the LV livery, has r
133 Aleksandar : I'm joining too
134 IliriBDL : By the way congrats to Serbia, great news indeed. We need more freedom of movement in the Balkans. About time we started visiting each other. haha
135 JoKeR : I agree, and probably won't have to hold thy breath for much longer, call me unrealistic but I believe BEG-PRN flights will be a reality in the mediu
136 Vasu : Is this picture actually real?
137 Post contains links S4popo : Photoshop According to Airfleets.net, they don't have anything larger than a MD80. However, it does look like they recently acquired a 752 and 733. h
138 OA260 : Thats what I wondered. Makes sense. But when will we see real photos?
139 AlexEU : Finally, the visa issue is gone for Serbia, Montenegro and FYROM! This will not effect UK and Ireland. Serbian aviation directorate has ´´invited´
140 OA260 : Have the Irish and British opted out? Bit of a joke really if your an illegal immigrant they let you in and if your a legitimate European tourist fro
141 Post contains links OA260 : Balkan TR here OP 315/320 Operated By Olympic Air ATH-IST- W/PICS (by OA260 Dec 3 2009 in Trip Reports)
142 FatmirJusufi : OK (Czech Airlines) targeting PRN! Flights are supposed to start by next summer on PRN - PRG route. Kosovo still haven't entered on Schengen Zone but
143 Adriaticflight : Yes, its good for Pristina. Now that Serbia has signed the openskies (finally) it removes the restrictions of airlines flying to two airports in Serb
144 Post contains links FatmirJusufi : Well, that's totally wrong! Our airspace (actually Kosovo Air Safety Zone) is not ruled by ACC Beograd anymore, since 1999! All new flight permission
145 Adriaticflight : Well certainly Belgrade regards it as serbia's second airpot and that is why Adria and CSA and Malev were not allowed to fly to Belgrade because the b
146 Post contains links and images FatmirJusufi : Yeah, it does not only for the airport but the reality it's different! Believe me, that has nothing to do with that agreement. The only reason OK is
147 Aleksandar : I won't go much into politics, but you are both right in your own way. Yes, Belgrade is not giving permits for flights to Kosovo and PRN since 1999,
148 FatmirJusufi : By this decision Belgrade has 'destroyed' its own economy and nothing had influenced on us! It's just because your (govt) wrong politics. Maybe the m
149 IliriBDL : It has to be real, it's the plane that the company owning Albanian Airlines actually has. We'll see in the following months if it's actually put to u
150 JoKeR : Let's get back to the actual aviation topic, the International Court of Justice will say very soon who was right and who was wrong.
151 FatmirJusufi : Do you wanna bet?
152 JoKeR : Nah, prefer to save my cash for World Cup next year.
153 FatmirJusufi : Have any of you planned attending WC in South Africa to support your national team?
154 Kiqaboy : I wanna bet, about the International Court of Justice. is there any one else ?
155 FatmirJusufi : How much will you bet? Forgot to ask before Will be charter flights to SA from BEG during campaign? Any information? Fatmir
156 IliriBDL : I'm betting on Deutschland winning it all.
157 Aleksandar : Actually, it was an argument used to protect JU, but let's face it, it was not only JU that was protected by this, but all other big players that ser
158 JoKeR : I'm trying, I'm trying.... So the first RO AT4 lands in BEG today from OTP! Niiiceeeee
159 AlexEU : Any chances of seeing Albanian carrier flying into BEG? I´d love to see Albanian Jumbolinos flying TIA-BEG. What is the agreement between Serbia and
160 FatmirJusufi : It's completly YOURS. Never was and will not be MINE! Too bad that Albania didn't do it! (let's not continue with political argues, we are supposed t
161 JoKeR : 4 hours late and counting.... really a bad way to introduce a new destination!
162 AlexEU : Are you at the airport? or just browsing beg.aero and also basketball, waterpolo, volleyball, eurovision, tennis...sorry couldnt resist. But Albania
163 FatmirJusufi : ... and soon the jumbos.
164 Kiqaboy : Balkan guys we have talked a lot about a Balkan meeting or an ex-YU meeting and we haven't done it yet, can we talk about this and make a place were w
165 Post contains links FatmirJusufi : Yeah, we've discussed many times but we didn't do anything! Be part of this thread to discuss about meeting. Balkans Meet '10: First Preparations (by
166 OA260 : The EU has today lifted the obstacles for full trade links with Serbia and paving the way to full EU membership. This should provide alot more opportu
167 AlexEU : It´s about the time to see Belgrade - Sofia flight, and also low-cost flights to Greece! Jat´s director mentioned possible partnership with Turkish
168 JoKeR : LCC to Greece, unlikely, but Aegean is getting ready apparently. Bulgaria Air announced BEG many times in the past but dropped the idea because of vi
169 BEG2IAH : Guys, quick question. JU's director mentioned that one of the leased a/c has already left the fleet. I would guess that's YU-AON. YU-AOS should be lea
170 JoKeR : Yes, YU-AOS is leaving in Q2/2010, YU-AON the ex-Aero Continente machine is gone.
171 Aleksandar : Well, Tarom took its time. Hmm, apparently they count on AF We had Snowflake and it didn't work out well. Is there enough traffic? Same as IB...Might
172 AlexEU : That would be interesting. If Jat can manage this, surely KM could too, especially if they offer cheaper flights. Where would they fly (only includin
173 Luka : Who exactly is going to fly to Luxembourg from Belgrade? We shouldn’t get carried away
174 AlexEU : Large number of Serbs there, plus it´s a good getaway to southern Netherlands / Belgium, western parts of Germany and a large part of France. They u
175 Aleksandar : They used it but to BUD, not BEG.
176 Adriaticflight : with the right connectons to the UK i would since Air France dominates, KLM won't be back in ages.. One airline that could off good flights would be
177 Post contains links and images AlexEU : What about Belavia flying Minsk-Belgrade? Is there a demand? Probalby not, since we have MA, OK, LO all with good connections to BEG. I am sure that B
178 JoKeR : AF dominated the route - or stayed the only airline of the two as far as BEG was concerned because of its supply of TATL pax; point to point was larg
179 JU068 : Luxair? Let's not get carried away... Plus how big can the big serbian comunity there be, I mean we are talking about Luxembourg here. As far as Air F
180 JoKeR : That would be me, a lie its not; Cyprus Government want to attract more tourists from Serbia and have courted CY to be part of the effort, whether th
181 JU068 : It is a lie because it is untrue. The Cypriot government wants to attract more people to the island every year, but the result is such that the number
182 JoKeR : Firstly, this is a forum where people can express their opinions and share information they have heard or were told. As such, it is a medium where av
183 JU068 : Well, I am perfectly calm and there is no 'hysteria'. I do not see why you are making such a big deal out of nothing, get a grip. And like you said th
184 AlexEU : Is it common to travel between Cyprus and the rest of Europe via Athens or Thessaloniki? Is Larnaca going to open a new terminal for Schengen or just
185 IliriBDL : I'd choose Cyprus as well.
186 JU068 : ATH is a common transfer airport. Aegean does take a lot of transit passengers with their 06:00 flight to ATH. I do believe that they have the biggest
187 JU068 : Ps best of luck to Malév who *finally* started the flights to Belgrade yesterday! But looking at the site of Belgrade airport I saw that today it is
188 AlexEU : More then I expected. Is it mostly transit? Or the Arabs in Cyprus. Wow, I guess that my 45 minute transit in LCA doesn´t count that I have been in
189 OA260 : THe majority of people in major cities and tourist areas speak English also. I know plenty of people who work in Greece with little Greek. By Greek s
190 JU068 : - Yeah, most of them travel onwards, also a lot of Asian immigrants traveling back home travel on EK. A few years ago they used to operate two daily f
191 Post contains links AlexEU : Wizzair is officially planing to open a hub in BEG. They will have 1 aircraft based in BEG, with the crew being Serbian. Link (only in Serbian) http:/
192 Tk747 : Great news about Wizz Air, definite potential there with the removal of Visa's for Serbs and Macedonians
193 Post contains links FatmirJusufi : A day before liberalization and YM cuts prices. http://exyuaviation.blogspot.com/2009/12/montenegro-cuts-prices.html What's your information about oth
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