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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 24901 times:

It has been a month since our last update, does anyone have any new information on United's Fleet Upgrades?

I can't imagine that there are many 737s left?


New Livery

A319 (4/55-7%): 801, 802, 803, 804

A320** (63/97-65%): 401, 402, 403, 406, 407, 408, 411, 412, 414, 417, 420, 423, 426, 438, 439, 440, 441, 442, 444, 445, 446, 447, 448, 449, 451, 452, 453, 457, 458, 459, 460, 465, 467, 469, 470, 471, 472, 473, 474, 475, 476, 477, 478, 479, 480, 481, 482, 483, 484, 485, 486, 487, 488, 489, 490, 491, 492, 493, 494, 495, 496, 497, 498

B733**** (8/14-57%): 331, 347, 367, 375, 379, 381, 383, 386

B735 (Fleet Completely Retired)

B744 (20/25-80%): 104, 105, 116, 117, 118, 119, 120, 121*, 122, 128, 171, 174, 175, 177, 178, 179, 180, 182, 197, 199

B752 (60/97-62%): 501, 502, 503, 504, 505, 508, 509, 510, 511, 512, 513, 514, 515, 516, 517, 518, 519, 521, 522, 523, 525, 526, 527, 528, 529, 530, 531, 532, 533, 543, 544, 545, 546, 547, 548, 549, 550, 551, 552, 553, 554, 555, 557, 558, 560, 561, 563, 564, 567, 576, 577, 583, 586, 589, 590, 593***, 595, 596, 597, 598

B763 (21/35-60%): 641, 642, 643, 644, 646, 647, 648, 649, 651, 652, 653*, 654, 655, 656, 657, 658, 659, 660, 661, 662, 663

B772 (17/52-33%): 209, 217, 218*, 219, 220, 221, 768, 769, 772, 774, 775, 776, 777, 778, 780, 785, 795

TOTAL (193/375-51%)

* Star Alliance Livery
** All former Ted aircraft have been painted in the new livery.
*** Test aircraft for the next generation Y class slimline leather seats with power ports.
**** The 737 fleets are inordinately hard to keep track of these days so if there are any on the list that have been retired please let me know.


New Winglets for ETOPS and P.S. 752s

B752 (12/33-36%) 502, 510, 512, 517, 518, 525, 532, 544, 546, 549, 554, 555


WiFi for P.S. 752s
Scheduled for completion by Thanksgiving

B752 (1/13-8%) 517

*P.S. Fleet is 502, 505, 508, 510, 512, 517, 518, 525, 532, 554, 555, 557, 560


New First & Business Seats for International Widebodies
Includes new Y class carpeting, bulkheads & cloth seat covers.

B744** (23/24-96%) 104*, 105, 107, 116, 117, 118, 119, 120, 121, 122, 127, 128, 173, 174, 175, 177, 178, 179, 180, 181, 182, 197, 199 (due to be completed by Oct. 2009)

B763 (21/21-100%) 641, 642, 643, 644, 646, 647, 648, 649, 651, 652, 653, 654, 655, 656, 657, 658, 659, 660, 661, 662, 663

B772*** (0/46-0%) (delayed until Feb. 2010 due to new Y class seats, 3 different 777 subfleets & the economy)

TOTAL (44/91-48%)

* In progress aircraft are counted towards the total.
** Includes new drop-down LCD screens in Y class.
*** Will include next generation Y class slimline leather seats with power ports in 3-3-3 configuration and new larger PTVs (maybe AVOD?)


New Interiors for Former Ted A320s
Includes conversion to 12 F, 42 Y+, 90 Y class seats & new leather seat covers for all seats.

A320 (18/56-32%) 414, 440, 441, 442, 444, 445, 446, 449, 453, 469, 470, 487, 492, 494, 496, 497 & 498


Retired 744s

B744 -193, 194, 195, 196 & 198

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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5935 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 24653 times:

104 & 171 are both in the shop for the interior mods. N187UA is the last 747 flying around with the old configuration and will be retired by the end of the year.

Of the 10 733s left in service 331, 347, 367, 375 & 383 are in the new colors.



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6552 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 24508 times:

What's the holdup in painting the A319 fleet? Waiting for C checks?

User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 24432 times:

Any update on when the Ex-Ted A320 conversions will be completed? Also, will the regular A320s have the leather seats/extra Y class seats added?

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 2):
What's the holdup in painting the A319 fleet? Waiting for C checks?

I'd like to know this as well. Seems like they've been taking forever to complete.


User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1540 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 24209 times:



Quoting United787 (Thread starter):
New Winglets for ETOPS and P.S. 752s

B752 (12/33-36%) 502, 510, 512, 517, 518, 525, 532, 544, 546, 549, 554, 555

Shouldn't there only be 29 getting winglets if there are 13 PS and 16 ETOPS birds? Or are there more than 16 ETOPS 757s?



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User currently offlineC767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 24193 times:

Should be 10 733s left: 328, 329, 330, 331, 334, 335, 347, 367, 375, 383.

331, 347, 367, 375, 383 are in the new paint.


User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4006 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 23453 times:
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What is the delay in re-paints? It seems to be taking way too long. Some a/c are really starting to look ratty.

Will any of the 763s being getting winglets? It would make sense for their transatlantic flights and the handful of 76s they send down to SA.
Would placing winglets on the 76s allow them to start flying them from the westcoast to some Asian destinations that struggle with the 77Es?


User currently onlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4441 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 23102 times:

I cannot believe how much the UA fleet has shrunk, was there not a time when they had more than 600 mainline Aircraft ?


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User currently offlineJolau1701 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 22784 times:

When will we know if and when UA will get those new planes they sent the RFP for?

User currently offlineJohnClipper From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2005, 843 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 22504 times:

So theorectically the 747 fleet will not ALL be completed by Oct 2009 since 187UA will NOT get the mod work done?

User currently offlineUA933 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 22033 times:

Are there any mock-ups of the new UA Y seat and what's the schedule for refurbishing the T7s (e.g. monthly rate)?


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User currently offlineRb211tristar From United States of America, joined May 2007, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 21711 times:

I can't wait for the 777's to be finished so I can stop wasting systemwides to europe.

Does UA have any TATL 744 ops out of Dulles anymore?


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 21700 times:

forgive me for not realizing, but is UA's mainline fleet now only 375 a/c and still shrinking as the 733s are retired? what is the final date for 733 withdrawal?

User currently offlineMnevans From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 21666 times:

I had 3 segments on 319's out of IAD the past 2 weeks and all of them were in new livery... What are the odds!

User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5935 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 20770 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 12):
what is the final date for 733 withdrawal?

October 25th I think...

Quoting Rb211tristar (Reply 11):
Does UA have any TATL 744 ops out of Dulles anymore?

I don't think there is anything this winter from IAD-Europe on the 744 IAD-NRT is a 744 however.

Quoting JohnClipper (Reply 9):
So theorectically the 747 fleet will not ALL be completed by Oct 2009 since 187UA will NOT get the mod work done?

The last 744 to get the mod N171UA won't reenter service till early January so your correct. However I think I read that N187UA is supposed to retire this month so as soon as that happens for all intents and purposes, at least from a customer perspective, they are done.



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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6549 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 20650 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 12):
what is the final date for 733 withdrawal?

28 October 2009.

There will be a final flight, UA 737, flying IAD-ORD-DEN-LAX-SFO that will be the final 737 flight for UA. Flight is bookable in booking systems and thru United.com

Quoting United1 (Reply 14):
IAD-NRT is a 744 however.

Don't think so; it's a 777. There are no scheduled flights out of IAD with 744s.

Quoting UA933 (Reply 10):
what's the schedule for refurbishing the T7s (

Starting in Apr10; originally was supposed to have started in Feb10. No idea yet of conversion rate/month.

The777Man



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User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2221 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 20627 times:



Quoting United787 (Thread starter):
New Interiors for Former Ted A320s
Includes conversion to 12 F, 42 Y+, 90 Y class seats & new leather seat covers for all seats.

A320 (18/56-32%) 414, 440, 441, 442, 444, 445, 446, 449, 453, 469, 470, 487, 492, 494, 496, 497 & 498

It's really annoying this is taking so long. Last month, I bought an F ticket MSP-GEG, but was stuck in Y- on the MSP-DEN leg, which was on an ex-Ted A320.



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User currently offlineJoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 20604 times:



Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 16):
It's really annoying this is taking so long. Last month, I bought an F ticket MSP-GEG, but was stuck in Y- on the MSP-DEN leg, which was on an ex-Ted A320.

United will compensate you for this.


User currently offlineKGAIflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4264 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 20386 times:
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Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 3):
Any update on when the Ex-Ted A320 conversions will be completed? Also, will the regular A320s have the leather seats/extra Y class seats added?

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 2):
What's the holdup in painting the A319 fleet? Waiting for C checks?

I'd like to know this as well. Seems like they've been taking forever to complete.

I've been on a couple old Ted planes in the last two months (MCO-IAD; SAN-DEN; SFO-LAX) and they've been packed -- even a 6am out of San Diego. There really seems to be a market
for the single-class service on some popular routes.

Perhaps converting *all* the old Teds
to three-class configuration
is a bit hasty, yes?


User currently offlineKGAIflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4264 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 20293 times:
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Quoting The777Man (Reply 15):
Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 12):
what is the final date for 733 withdrawal?

28 October 2009.

There will be a final flight, UA 737, flying IAD-ORD-DEN-LAX-SFO that will be the final 737 flight for UA. Flight is bookable in booking systems and thru United.com

You *can* book the individual segments, but when I tried to book *the entire run* for the flight -- called *UA737* -- from Washington-Dulles to San Francisco, using the multi-city feature, I was given a red error message.


User currently offlineUnitedFA07 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 20129 times:

Yeah when Beijing is suspended for the winter, service from IAD-NRT and back Flight 897/898 will be a B747! If you don't believe me check it on Skynet!

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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5935 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 19900 times:



Quoting The777Man (Reply 15):
Quoting United1 (Reply 14):
IAD-NRT is a 744 however.

Don't think so; it's a 777. There are no scheduled flights out of IAD with 744s.

Sorry I was thinking about the winter schedule. The end of this month IAD-NRT switches to a 744 as its being combined with the PEK flight for the winter.



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 19580 times:



Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 2):
What's the holdup in painting the A319 fleet? Waiting for C checks?



I am guessing it is because they are newer so their paint schedule is later. The only reason that so many A320s are painted is because they had to be because they were Ted.

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 6):
Will any of the 763s being getting winglets?



I haven't heard of UA wingletting their 763s.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 12):
forgive me for not realizing, but is UA's mainline fleet now only 375 a/c and still shrinking as the 733s are retired?

Shocking isn't it...  Sad

Quoting Mnevans (Reply 13):
I had 3 segments on 319's out of IAD the past 2 weeks and all of them were in new livery... What are the odds!

Very small...

Quoting The777Man (Reply 15):
There will be a final flight, UA 737, flying IAD-ORD-DEN-LAX-SFO that will be the final 737 flight for UA. Flight is bookable in booking systems and thru United.com

What a great tribute to the 737, hitting all 5 hubs in one dayand they named the flight as well! I wish I was on that flight! Compare that to the AA retirement of the A300, no one even knew the final flight until it happened...

Quoting KGAIflyer (Reply 18):
I've been on a couple old Ted planes in the last two months (MCO-IAD; SAN-DEN; SFO-LAX) and they've been packed -- even a 6am out of San Diego. There really seems to be a market
for the single-class service on some popular routes.

Perhaps converting *all* the old Teds
to three-class configuration
is a bit hasty, yes?


I would think that they could keep a subfleet of A320 with just 4 first class seats (1 row) for the former Ted routes...what do I know.

New Livery

A319 (4/55-7%): 801, 802, 803, 804

A320** (63/97-65%): 401, 402, 403, 406, 407, 408, 411, 412, 414, 417, 420, 423, 426, 438, 439, 440, 441, 442, 444, 445, 446, 447, 448, 449, 451, 452, 453, 457, 458, 459, 460, 465, 467, 469, 470, 471, 472, 473, 474, 475, 476, 477, 478, 479, 480, 481, 482, 483, 484, 485, 486, 487, 488, 489, 490, 491, 492, 493, 494, 495, 496, 497, 498

B733**** (5/10-50%): 331, 347, 367, 375, 383 (Fleet to be Retired on October 28, 2009)

B735 (Fleet Completely Retired)

B744 (20/25-80%): 104, 105, 116, 117, 118, 119, 120, 121*, 122, 128, 171, 174, 175, 177, 178, 179, 180, 182, 197, 199

B752 (60/97-62%): 501, 502, 503, 504, 505, 508, 509, 510, 511, 512, 513, 514, 515, 516, 517, 518, 519, 521, 522, 523, 525, 526, 527, 528, 529, 530, 531, 532, 533, 543, 544, 545, 546, 547, 548, 549, 550, 551, 552, 553, 554, 555, 557, 558, 560, 561, 563, 564, 567, 576, 577, 583, 586, 589, 590, 593***, 595, 596, 597, 598

B763 (21/35-60%): 641, 642, 643, 644, 646, 647, 648, 649, 651, 652, 653*, 654, 655, 656, 657, 658, 659, 660, 661, 662, 663

B772 (17/52-33%): 209, 217, 218*, 219, 220, 221, 768, 769, 772, 774, 775, 776, 777, 778, 780, 785, 795

TOTAL (190/371-51%)

* Star Alliance Livery
** All former Ted aircraft have been painted in the new livery.
*** Test aircraft for the next generation Y class slimline leather seats with power ports.
**** The 737 fleets are inordinately hard to keep track of these days so if there are any on the list that have been retired please let me know.


New Winglets for ETOPS and P.S. 752s

B752 (12/33-36%) 502, 510, 512, 517, 518, 525, 532, 544, 546, 549, 554, 555


WiFi for P.S. 752s
Scheduled for completion by Thanksgiving

B752 (1/13-8%) 517

*P.S. Fleet is 502, 505, 508, 510, 512, 517, 518, 525, 532, 554, 555, 557, 560


New First & Business Seats for International Widebodies
Includes new Y class carpeting, bulkheads & cloth seat covers.

B744** (24/24-100%) 104*, 105, 107, 116, 117, 118, 119, 120, 121, 122, 127, 128, 173, 174, 175, 171*, 177, 178, 179, 180, 181, 182, 197, 199 (187 is still in the old configuration and will be retired by the end of the year)

B763 (21/21-100%) 641, 642, 643, 644, 646, 647, 648, 649, 651, 652, 653, 654, 655, 656, 657, 658, 659, 660, 661, 662, 663

B772*** (0/46-0%) (delayed until April 2010 due to new Y class seats, 3 different 777 subfleets & the economy)

TOTAL (45/91-49%)

* In progress aircraft are counted towards the total.
** Includes new drop-down LCD screens in Y class.
*** Will include next generation Y class slimline leather seats with power ports in 3-3-3 configuration and new larger PTVs (maybe AVOD?)


New Interiors for Former Ted A320s
Includes conversion to 12 F, 42 Y+, 90 Y class seats & new leather seat covers for all seats.

A320 (18/56-32%) 414, 440, 441, 442, 444, 445, 446, 449, 453, 469, 470, 487, 492, 494, 496, 497 & 498


Retired 744s

B744 -193, 194, 195, 196 & 198


User currently offlineUaord2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 266 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 19416 times:

[quote=JohnClipper,reply=9]So theorectically the 747 fleet will not ALL be completed by Oct 2009 since 187UA will NOT get the mod work done?

N187UA is not operating scheduled flights. Currently flying military charters.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25069 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 19273 times:



Quoting KGAIflyer (Reply 18):
Perhaps converting *all* the old Teds to three-class configuration
is a bit hasty, yes?

Your observation is spot on.

Leisure travel has hung on rather well compared to business travel, which traditionally has been UA's primary revenue focus.

At least for the summer UA still had 50% of the TED fleet as 1-class so it was able to derive added revenues, but yes I think the reconfiguration in hindsight now might have been a bit ill timed.

What I am actualy wondering now if UA will bring back its idea to reduce 757 F class cabins (ala US Air) as was explored post 9/11 as economy seats seem are more valuable property to have then large premium cabins these days.



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25 The777Man : You are right! I stand corrected! The777Man
26 AznCSA4QF744ER : What system did you used? I was able to book it all the way.
27 Post contains links and images KGAIflyer : Quoting AznCSA4QF744ER (Reply 26): What system did you used? I was able to book it all the way. What system? United.com. Btw, congratulations. You're
28 United787 : Added two painted 747s to the list, any other updates? New Livery A319 (4/55-7%): 801, 802, 803, 804 A320** (63/97-65%): 401, 402, 403, 406, 407, 408,
29 N1120A : 3-3-3. Eww. I wish they would stay 2-5-2. Who says there wasn't F demand? 1) I really wouldn't call E an independent class 2) Not hasty at all. Ted w
30 United1 : Another site is reporting that 517, 525, and 532 have WiFi.
31 UAL747DEN : I don't think that would ever in a million years happen. We would have some kind of war and people would start jumping out of windows at WHQ! I perso
32 Tu154 : To avoid the fourth FA.....
33 UAL747DEN : You mean fourth and TED worked out for a while when conditions were right. Airlines have be change with the times and TED did that. We were also able
34 LACA773 : How are specific flights picked to run the ex TED all Y configuration 320s on? Do they go through scheduling to see what flights might be overbooked
35 JBirdAV8r : Agreed. 3-3-3 is a lousy proposition when you're traveling alone and sitting at the window.
36 UAL747DEN : The TED aircraft are worked into the schedule from the beginning just like everything else. We hope to offer inventory to match the aircraft but when
37 LACA773 : Thanks for the information, UAL747DEN.
38 KGAIflyer : I witnessed a near fist-fight between an Italian couple and a customer service agent at SFO gate 85 one night when a 320 set for LAX went wonky and g
39 HOOB747 : Well, I have had my final flight on a UA 737 then. So sad. I flew N335UA CMH to DEN September 26th (seat 3A). Old exterior paint, old tacky color sch
40 United787 : A little dramatic don't you think? Can you explain why that is do bad? If makes sense to me for leisure routes where 1st Class demand is less but you
41 PWMRamper : What's the hate for 3--3--3? Sure, 2--5--2 is nice when you're on the outer edges, but the 5 in the middle is awful. Having to climb over 2 people to
42 UAL747DEN : On that short route they shouldn't throw a fit. BUT the agent should have given compensation. Lets go to the routing question first, I have NEVER see
43 FlyIGuy : Well if you don't like it, there is always 1 solution to the problem...Pony up the dough and fly business or first class !!! Just my 0.02
44 LAXintl : The problem these days is there simply not enough premium flyers. Even in the good old days it was rare for the 24 seats to be actually sold out as F
45 Ramprat74 : The 757 fleet has taken a beating the last six months. Their dependability is way down. It seems one of our 757 flights is canceled a couple times a w
46 FlyIGuy : It was returned to the lessor cause an agreement couldnt be made on payments, not because UA had too many of them... I've talked the UA mechanics her
47 ATLflyer : I have to say I'm impressed with United's cabins today. I just got off of a flight from ORD-LGA on a 757 in old livery. When I saw the aircraft at the
48 UAL747DEN : The utilization stats on our 757 fleet has not had the notable change you suggest. They are not out of service more than they should be and they are
49 HOOB747 : I love your airline as well; I have flown 75,000 miles with UA this year and enjoyed every flight segment. As a Y traveler, I appreciate the new cabi
50 MasseyBrown : 2-5-2, in theory, means nobody gets elbowed from both sides unless the load exceeds 88%. Personally, I feel the UN War Crimes Commission should inves
51 AirNZ : I would respectively disagree with both points. If you wish to enlarge, please do so. Tell me again which airline(s) operate an all inclusive premium
52 Ramprat74 : Then you need to come work PDXCS for a week, and tell the hard working front line employees that have to deal with all these 757 delays that. They cu
53 UAL747DEN : I would think that the "all inclusive premium service" you are talking about would be covered by a first class cabin. If that is what you are saying
54 United1 : A few updates... 34 of the 56 ex Ted aircraft have been reconfigured and the 777 conversions that start in February will be done in house.
55 N1120A : In most situations the 5th seat is either unoccupied or taken by a family that needs it.
56 Post contains links Kappel : Just read that UA is close to a decision for their fleet renewal order... http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...oser-to-fleet-revamp-decision.html
57 LACA773 : How many more 757s will be getting winglets? Do they plan on having the ETOPS birds fitted with them, especially the routes that do HNL, KOA, OGG, LIH
58 UAL747DEN : I don't deal at all with the negotiations part of it but I know from a modeling point of view we are done. I would imagine an order could come down an
59 Revelation : Quite interesting. The Flight Global article above says: [quote]Today during a call with analysts and investors to discuss the carrier's $57 million
60 Kaitak : A split order wouldn't surprise me in the least; the 787 and A350 serve different ends of the widebody market. I could see a combination of A350-900/1
61 Airbazar : No, he's talking about the countless failed all business class airlines. This thinking is exactly the reason why US legacy carriers are in the dire c
62 United1P : winglets will be fitted on all P.S. 57xx 757's (they become 53xx) and all ETOPS 55xx 757's (the become 59xx)
63 United1 : I wonder if they will be making an announcement in conjunction with the 737 retirement.
64 FL787 : Can anyone answer my original question?
65 United1 : There are only 16 ETOPS 752s
66 FL787 : Ok thanks. So there should be only 29 getting winglets not 33 as stated in the update, correct?
67 United1P : Yea, 16 ETOPS + 13 P.S.= 29 it seems, though, that they have stopped fitting winglets on the 757's at the moment
68 United1 : They did this last yeah as well... in order to save cash they pushed the retrofit off untill Q1 2009 so that it didn't come out of 2008s budget. I we
69 United1P : so are they going to push the retrofits off again until Q1 2010?
70 United1 : Not positive but considering that they are trying to conserve cash its likely.
71 UAL747DEN : I think you need to dig a little deeper into the financial requirements United put on the manufactures before you say that.........
72 Bluesky02 : United has always had business passengers as its backbone-no serious person questions that. But what you are saying, and what United is saying are di
73 AirNz : I'm not disputing that, but that doesn't disregard the fact that all passengers should be treated with dignity and as being valuable to the business.
74 United787 : BTW your guys are wasting your time fighting with someone who has been temporarily banned from A-Net, check out his profile: "This user is temporarily
75 Post contains links EGNR : Can't wait to see how this one turns out. UAL747DEN, is a split buy a possibility, or will it be all or nothing from each bidder? "Citing company sta
76 KGAIflyer : I don't think that's the problem. If the moderators thought he was a poser, then they would have removed his posts.
77 United787 : New Livery A319 (4/55-7%): 801, 802, 803, 804 A320** (63/97-65%): 401, 402, 403, 406, 407, 408, 411, 412, 414, 417, 420, 423, 426, 438, 439, 440, 441,
78 C767P : N534UA is in new paint.
79 RJpieces : I always forget this. United's 767s have PTVs, but do they have AVOD in Y?
80 LACA773 : When do you think we'll hear news from UA on their fleet renewal program choices? I think it's safe to say they'll go with the 321s due to the fact th
81 Post contains links PM : We’re told of the prospect of 35 A350s could be initially ordered. http://leehamnews.wordpress.com/2009...-decision-on-refleeting/#more-2204 At inte
82 C767P : 524 and 585 are in new paint.
83 Post contains links PM : http://www.chicagotribune.com/busine...d-planeorder-nov19-,0,867224.story Looks like UA's widebody order is getting close... And here's something inte
84 DeltaL1011man : Us has a bunch of A3XX orders. (I have know idea whats going on or if it would matter, I'm just pointing out UA wouldn't be the first big Airbus orde
85 DC8FanJet : My guess is 773's for the 400's and A350 for 767 replacement. The A321 with Airbus' improved performance package will probably get the nod for 757 rep
86 United1P : I don't know which thread it was or what link, but someone posted that UA considered the 773 "old technology"
87 Post contains links PM : 777-300 E.R. Old Technology Already? (by RJpieces Nov 12 2009 in Civil Aviation)
88 IcelandairMSP : I don't see why these threads need to be combined, but whatever. Per the last few comments of the other thread, everyone seems set on the 788, A359/35
89 NA : Interesting. So the 767s will go soon (well, must), and likely the 777s afterwards. At the time UA might be able to get 787s or A350s in numbers it´
90 Keesje : Agree with your summary. Still a real good 767 replacement, also for domestic use seems un available. Both 787, a330 and A350 seem way to big / heavy
91 LACA773 : Keesje, the Cozy Suite plan is dead in the water and no further plans for this seat configuration are planned. They are going to install slim line se
92 Kappel : I agree. We can take it further. Just give each airline their own thread and it's not allowed to make separate threads. Ridiculous IMHO, this subject
93 NA : If you need one in the next 3 years, yes. But UA looks more into the future. UA has basically ruled that aircarft out when calling it old technology.
94 Post contains links and images Keesje : Thnx interesting, they confirmed only half a yr ago.. http://travelsentry.blogspot.com/200...r-cozy-suite-economy-seats_10.html It seems they would n
95 AndyEastMids : 783 now has new paint - is in the a.net photo database in mid-October in old paint but I flew in it LAX-LHR 19th Nov and it has had an external makeo
96 IcelandairMSP : They have learned a lot. Airbus learned a lot from the A380 so, if the A350 roll-out is smooth, then we can only be assured that people in these comp
97 DL752 : Here in TPA I always see a nice 757 in the new blue. Nice to see a change from the regular Airbus when Ted was around.
98 Kappel : There's a link to an article in the, now locked, thread about the upcoming order. There they also called the 748 old tech. This is always a difficult
99 FWAERJ : IMO, this UA order is Airbus's to win and Boeing's to lose, which is sort of sad since UA was once the "Boeing Air Transport System", owned by The Boe
100 IcelandairMSP : I think some of it has to do with the 757. It is close enough in size to the 767-200, is more efficient and much more versatile. As air travel changed
101 NA : At least the 748I engines are one generation more advanced than the 77W. If they call that aircraft which isnt yet flying old tech they better sell t
102 Revelation : That article actually has UA saying that there's no time frame on the order. It also seems to be preparing the Chicago locals for a Boeing loss: I th
103 Post contains links and images Keesje : How many of the 767's are used domesticly ? If they are mainly used internationaly they could refit / upgrade them for more high density 244 seat regi
104 Congaboy : United buying new metal...seriously? Who in their right mind is gonna finance this with the economic climate being what it is along with what is appar
105 UA933 : Why don't you leave the question of finance to UA management. I guess they know by far more than you or they wouldn't go busting around with news lik
106 Scorpy : There are 20 domestic UA widebodies 14 763 (out of 35) 6 777 (out of 52) These are the newest 763's, and the T7's are from early 2000's.
107 Congaboy : ...absolutely. The senior management at UA are just brilliant with finances,not to mention labor relations, market dynamics, etc. The only choice I h
108 Tu154 : Buh-Bye
109 United787 : I won’t speculate on which aircraft United will order but I feel strongly that United will be ordering the most appropriate aircraft for their speci
110 United787 : New Livery A319 (4/55-7%): 801, 802, 803, 804 A320** (63/97-65%): 401, 402, 403, 406, 407, 408, 411, 412, 414, 417, 420, 423, 426, 438, 439, 440, 441,
111 Astuteman : ???? I would have thought it was appropriate to list the A330-200 as "aligned" size-wise to the 787-8 - they're near-on identical Rgds
112 EA772LR : Well you're making it seem as if Boeing really screwed up big with making the 787-8 the baseline size. I respectfully disagree with that assumption.
113 BMI727 : I think that the 787-8 will probably not be the best seller in the range. Whether the -9 or -10 will be depends a lot on what the -10 ends up being,
114 Post contains links and images SXDFC : Someone on the other thread mentioned how good looking of a bird a UA A330 would be with rollers, so here you go : I must admit any airplane UA choose
115 EA772LR : Stunning, and would be a nice addition to UA's fleet...but at this point, it would make no sense in ordering the 332 for UA. Maybe a lease, then swap
116 DeltaL1011man : They are gone. At this time UA doesn't have any A/C on order. (this is also a reason why i think Boeing has a shot.......why dump the AB orders only
117 United1 : The orders have never been officially canceled with Airbus. What UA did was write off the deposit on UAs books as they had no intention of ever takin
118 PM : Not sure I agree. In fact, sure I don't! Airlines will be flying the A330-200 profitably for many years to come and for many routes it may be more ec
119 United Airline : I think UA should order more narrowbodies. They have so few compare to the other major carriers. Sick and tired of flying express
120 AA767400 : AA handled the A300 retirement pretty well. While no flight 300, or route covering all hubs, it did have a farewell ceremony for all three flights th
121 KGAIflyer : This has been asked about twenty times so far in this thread (see above). United experts shoot the idea down saying that a three-class transatlantic
122 Post contains images KGAIflyer : ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the one I have in my library:
123 Olympic472 : Please say you are kidding. This move will get them back to 2007/8 capacity level and this excess capacity will be the nail in the coffin for UA. Wha
124 Pellegrine : Although not realistic. A319 and E-170 series Stunning in GEs. Even though I'm a die-hard RR fan, I'd always rather see UA with PW.
125 United Airline : Hope to see UA returning to pre-9.11 size. The only chance is to merge with another airline. Like CO
126 RoseFlyer : Boeing has a huge advantage because the Euro is so expensive now compared to the dollar. Boeing's costs are a lot less since they pay in dollars. That
127 Ual777 : A death spiral? UA outperformed last quarter and is strengthening. The death spiral talk that has been going on here for the last EIGHT YEARS is gett
128 LACA773 : Where can I find a cross spread comparing the 763ER & 332 to the 788 & 358? MTOW, range, height, length, wingspan, capacity etc... Thanks
129 Post contains images KGAIflyer : This morning's Chicago Tribune has three inter-related articles on it's business page about United Airlines attempt to renew itself (I believe there i
130 RJpieces : I assume you were in economy?
131 United1 : Type / 3-Class Capacity / Range 777-300ER 365 7930nm 350-1000 350 7990nm 350-900 314 8100nm 777-200LR 302 9380nm 777-200ER 302 7700nm 777-200 302 523
132 Post contains links LAXintl : The p.s. fleet Wi-fi fitting is complete, and United is offering free trial access thru December 31st. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/United...es-prnew
133 Keesje : 9 abreast 787-8 210 seats & 8 abreast A330-200 253 ? The different seat specifications and class sizes make seatcount a choice. And marketing uses it
134 YULWinterSkies : They would work perfectly side-by-side. A330-200 to replace the 767, A350-800 to replace the 777. Together with the 748I to replace the 747. Now, if
135 DC8FanJet : Promise?
136 LACA773 : Thankyou United1 for finding some of the information I'm lo
137 United1 : I have no idea....I just pulled the numbers off of wiki... obviously airline configurations vary greatly vs what Boeing and Airbus put out. From what
138 Astuteman : 787-8 and A330-200 are geometrically as near-enough the same aircraft as to make no difference.. And in your post, the 767-300 should be out on its o
139 HOOB747 : So amazing to see the range difference between the -200 and 200LR. And explains the popularity of the 777 line. Thanks for the specific info.
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