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Why Transatlantic Flights To Shannon?  
User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7032 times:

I was just looking at Google Maps and came across Shannon, Ireland. I was surprised at how small this town was, with nothing but small towns surrounding it. Why exactly do we have US airlines (not AA) flying to SNN? Is there some kind of industry I'm not aware of? Is tourism really big in that corner of Ireland? Is it just leftover from the days airlines flew DUB-SNN-USA? There was a time maybe two summers ago, where Delta operated 285 seat 764ER's daily from both JFK and ATL. I'm curious as to where all these pax are going?


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User currently offline7673mech From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 729 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6992 times:
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From the Northeast especially (NY & Boston), it is a large vacation destination.
Sight seeing and family visits.
You also have the Shannon Free Zone - which attracted businesses to the area.

[Edited 2009-10-07 13:47:11]

User currently offlineRichcandy From UK - England, joined Aug 2001, 723 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6952 times:

Hi

As far as I remember at one point I think by law all trans atlantic flights from/to Ireland had to have a stop at Shannon. Then I think it changed to if you wanted to fly to DUB then you must also fly to SNN.

I don't know a lot about the area but I once watched a TV show were they said that the area around SNN had a large tourist industry. I think they were saying that, that part of the west of Ireland was sort of the stereo typical Ireland with white washed cottages and donkeys.

I mean we have the odd charter flight to Shannon from Dijon so there must be something there worth visiting.

Alex


User currently offlineCuriousflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 694 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6908 times:

SNN is a small airport and the economic value of the region comes from the touristic interest and the implantation of US firms lured by low taxes and the proximity from the US. It does not justify much traffic though, and never really did.

Initially the geographic position of SNN made it a good refuelling stop between Europe and the US. Now commercial airliners do not need a stop en-route, with one exception since this month as BA's new A318 service from LCY to JFK cannot take off too heavy from the short LCY runway.

It is also an advantage that one can clear US immigration in SNN, which is usually quick as the airport is so small.

Overall, and for many years, the significant traffic into SNN was not economically justified. Until a few years ago the Irish government had made it compulsory that a percentage of transatlantic flights stop here though, so airplanes would stop on SNN on their way to or from DUB and foster some economic activity.

I think this rule is now gone, moreover SNN is a pretty ugly place for a stop, so I expect SNN stops to occur less and less.


User currently offlineEISHN From Ireland, joined Feb 2007, 1509 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6908 times:

SNN is the gateway to the West of Ireland, and sees a lot of tourist traffic in both directions. There as well as people flying in both directions to return home and visit families. Also a good bit of industry in the region.


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User currently offlineNoelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6863 times:

SNN was historically always a refuelling stop for flights from Canada/USA to Europe, as it was literally the first stop this side of the Atlantic.

Partially because of this, SNN was a required stop on all flights to DUB from the US under the original transatlantic flight agreement. This was gradually relaxed to only half the flights having to go via SNN, and finally under Open Skies the rules were relaxed last year so you can fly direct from the US to DUB.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25372 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6841 times:

This recent report may be of interest.
http://www.shannonireland.com/media/Media,7049,en.pdf


User currently offlineShamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4176 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6292 times:



Quoting Curiousflyer (Reply 3):
SNN is a small airport and the economic value of the region comes from the touristic interest and the implantation of US firms lured by low taxes and the proximity from the US

There's plenty of non - US firms in the region also.

Quoting Curiousflyer (Reply 3):
I think this rule is now gone, moreover SNN is a pretty ugly place for a stop, so I expect SNN stops to occur less and less

The rule has been gone now for quite a while, yet BA are now stopping at SNN on their LCY-JFK flight. The airport is also undergoing an extensive refurb at present.

Quoting Richcandy (Reply 2):
I think they were saying that, that part of the west of Ireland was sort of the stereo typical Ireland with white washed cottages and donkeys.

This makes me laugh a little bit! While, yes you will see a whitewashed cottage here and there, and even the odd donkey, the area is also home to high tech industries, interesting towns and cities, good night life amd restaurants, and some pretty spectacular scenery.

Quoting Evan767 (Thread starter):
I was just looking at Google Maps and came across Shannon, Ireland. I was surprised at how small this town was, with nothing but small towns surrounding it.

Shannon serves Limerick City and Galway primarily. Shannon town only developed after the airport was built.

Quoting Evan767 (Thread starter):
There was a time maybe two summers ago, where Delta operated 285 seat 764ER's daily from both JFK and ATL. I'm curious as to where all these pax are going?

They are visting the much loved attractions across the west of Ireland, as well as travelling to Ireland to see friends and family (of course, Irish make up a huge percentage of the US population), and of course the many Irish travelling the other way. Because of the recession, many of these flights have been scaled back, but CO remains, and DL will operate next summer. EI are still around with JFK and BOS, and US will also be back next summer.

So, clearly, yes there is more to the place than empty fields, donkeys and alcoholics!  Wink



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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6207 times:



Quoting Shamrock604 (Reply 7):
Shannon serves Limerick City and Galway primarily.

Yup, when I went to Ireland last year we flew into Shannon (Delta 752) because it was the most convenient international airport to Galway.


User currently offlineAerdingus From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2838 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5799 times:



Quoting Evan767 (Thread starter):
Why exactly do we have US airlines (not AA) flying to SNN?

Ha, very funny, you should read the Irish aviation thread & see the wars that go on about service to Shannon, & whether or not it deserves it. But yeah, it's in the West of Ireland, which is a beautiful place for sightseeing & tours. But is it enough to sustain service...no one knows... Wink



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User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5743 times:
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I remember when Aeroflot long-haul flights made fuel stops in LUX or SNN before the cross of the Atlantic Ocean...


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User currently offlineAvconsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5703 times:

Shannon is a blast. I've never experienced a bad time there. I highly recommend it to anyone who has never visited!!

Quoting Shamrock604 (Reply 7):
There's plenty of non - US firms in the region also.

I think he was referring to Shannon's Economic Development in luring Int'l business to the area. Ireland has friendly laws for pharmaceutics production; in addition, to a highly skilled science/research work force in the region. I remember seeing full page ads in newspapers throughout the United States throughout the 90's promoting the region.

Also, Shannon Aerospace is a very reputable MRO. I assume still is, I have not dealt with them in a number of years.


User currently offlineShamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4176 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4699 times:



Quoting Aerdingus (Reply 9):
But is it enough to sustain service...no one knows...

Well, CO seem to know. They've had SNN service now for quite some time, and there is no sigf of them going anywhere. EI's service to BOS has never been in doubt either.

Equally, in summer, US and DL come back, even though they have had the option not to with the SNN stop rule gone. So clearly, there is a market there.... maybe just not for EI with the A330 on a year round basis.

Quoting Avconsultant (Reply 11):
I think he was referring to Shannon's Economic Development in luring Int'l business to the area.

Yes, I knew that, but just thought it important to state it wasnt just US industry.



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User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3943 times:
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I've used Shannon several times for Irish self drive vacations. If you want to avoid the traffic of Dublin and are actually interested in scenics you cannot find a better way to get into driving in Europe and specifically that "other side of the road". The Cliffs of Moher, Bunratty Castle, The Blarney Stone, Galways sea coasts villages, incredible County Kerry, Waterford glass works, Kinsale and Cork just to name a tiny few of the area attractions.

Yes, Shannon was for years a legal requirement to stop as a way for Ireland to try and bring economic growth the Western Ireland and I'm sad that so many have missed the point and the blessings of that visit. Now, with less emphasis on this requirement it's going to be a connection instead of a direct service. Ireland and Aer Lingus are having a tough time in this recession with a limited economic base so I asume this was just a matter of time. BUT.. I will go back as soon as possible.



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User currently offlineBurner71 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3692 times:

I just vacationed in Ireland and chose to land in Shannon.

I stayed by the Bunratty Castle and drove myself all over the west side.
It was beautiful

I really cannot wait to go back again.

The airport was quick and very easy.


User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2835 times:



Quoting Shamrock604 (Reply 12):
Quoting Aerdingus (Reply 9):
But is it enough to sustain service...no one knows...

Well, CO seem to know. They've had SNN service now for quite some time, and there is no sigf of them going anywhere. EI's service to BOS has never been in doubt either.

Equally, in summer, US and DL come back, even though they have had the option not to with the SNN stop rule gone. So clearly, there is a market there.... maybe just not for EI with the A330 on a year round basis.

Aside from the VFR and tourist traffic, there is some decent business traffic between Boston and Ireland thanks to bio tech and to a smaller extent high tech.


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