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Iberia Intends To Charge 4 Checked Bags  
User currently offlineChootie From Germany, joined May 2007, 286 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2736 times:

Hi to all!!

Just heard from a friend in Spain that Iberia is looking at charging for checked baggage as per most of the US carriers.

Can anyone confirm, or give more information on this topic?


A sad day when all start the nickel and dime strategy.  twocents   no 


chootie
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User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2711 times:

Anything to survive is the name of the game.


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2711 times:



Quoting Chootie (Thread starter):
A sad day when all start the nickel and dime strategy.

Why should I pay for a service I will not use?



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineChootie From Germany, joined May 2007, 286 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2692 times:

Why should I pay for a service I will not use?

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
Why should I pay for a service I will not use?

You probably should not, however, do we have to bring the entire industry to itemizing each and every thing?

Geeze, next thing we´ll have to deal with is an airport Check-in/Internet check-in like a fast food drive-in window.....  scratchchin  OH!!! I forgot we are practically there already.  sigh   sigh   sigh 



chootie
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2690 times:



Quoting Chootie (Reply 3):
You probably should not, however, do we have to bring the entire industry to itemizing each and every thing?

I tend to agree that there is a line, but I apparently see the line in a much different place you do. To me, BoB, IFE, and bags are three sensible areas for a la carte pricing.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineChootie From Germany, joined May 2007, 286 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2677 times:

Fair enough. I respect each persons opinion.

I suppose it is just that old nostalgia of the fun and wonderful times when air travel was GREAT!!

Now, like man things, it is a commodity. Plain(plane) and simple.  brokenheart 



chootie
User currently offlineFlybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2449 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
Why should I pay for a service I will not use?

An international airline like Iberia will set a VERY bad precedent worldwide. I doubt that if you fly internationally you will only take your portfolio and laptop with you.

If airlines force people to pay for checked baggage for international flights, they may as well raise the fares! If you fly 3,000+ miles it's safe to assume you're not making a day trip of it. Just about everyone who flies overseas checks baggage... it would be unethical to charge people for a service that is compulsory. I'd like to think that airlines don't behave like government!

Domestic flights are another story. I've flown a few times with a small shoulder carry-on bag with a change of clothes... no need to check bags if you're only going to a place for a day or two.

Quite honestly, if airlines REALLY want to charge per usage they should publish fares on a flat rate per mile ONLY!!!!! We live in the day where airlines are all about being ala carte... but walk-up fares are still close to $2,000 for a 500 mile trip and advanced booking for 6000 mile trip are published for less than $1,000! Go figure.



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User currently offlinePlaneAdmirer From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2433 times:

Which 4/four bags are they going to charge?

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2433 times:



Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 6):
Just about everyone who flies overseas checks baggage... it would be unethical to charge people for a service that is compulsory. I'd like to think that airlines don't behave like government!

Most business travelers can do 3 or 4 days out of a carryon. I know many who can do far more than that.

...and, of course, IB may be charging for short-haul only, as many American carriers have done.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2368 times:



Quoting PlaneAdmirer (Reply 7):
Which 4/four bags are they going to charge?

I think he meant to say 'Iberia intends to charge for checked bags'.



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User currently offlineR2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2571 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2360 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 8):

...and, of course, IB may be charging for short-haul only, as many American carriers have done.

That's right - from what I have read on Spanish websites, they are considering it for "certain European routes", and are inspiring themselves on the AA model. My guess is they'll do it like their BoB meal policy: for flights under 3hrs. But intl routes are not being considered.

One good thing about IB is that they allow 23kg bags, unlike the 20kg rule of the vast majority of other EU airlines out there. Hopefully that won't change with the introduction of baggage fees.


User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2176 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2215 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 8):
Most business travelers can do 3 or 4 days out of a carryon. I know many who can do far more than that.

Yeah, and then that's why those who check bags and try to minimize the size of their carry-ons end up with nowhere to store them onboard. Bad habit of invading others' space...



When I doubt... go running!
User currently offlineTravelExec From Spain, joined Dec 2007, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2173 times:



Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 6):

An international airline like Iberia will set a VERY bad precedent worldwide.

It is either this, or follow the precedent of Sabena, Alitalia etc... i.e. go out of business...

Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 6):

If airlines force people to pay for checked baggage for international flights, they may as well raise the fares! If you fly 3,000+ miles it's safe to assume you're not making a day trip of it.

Im not so sure everyone on trans atlantic is checking bags. I know I often go for 2 or 3 days for work and have only a small wheelie.

Quoting PlaneAdmirer (Reply 7):
Which 4/four bags are they going to charge?

 Smile This is what I was originally going to post. Also, what are those four bags being charged with?


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4383 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2167 times:

It is unrealsitic that such an adaption of IB to AA habits is not followed by the third in that round, and not coordinated with BA. Maybe it seems easier to implement with IB, and BA regrets has to follow.

User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2341 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2124 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
Why should I pay for a service I will not use?

These types of lines are extremely silly. You don't currently pay for it. It is included in the ticket price as a benefit of service.

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 11):
Yeah, and then that's why those who check bags and try to minimize the size of their carry-ons end up with nowhere to store them onboard. Bad habit of invading others' space...

Exactly. I'm getting tired of these self-important business travellers with wheeled "carry-ons" that take up so much space on a narrowbody. "I have to go directly to my car, and cannot wait for the checked luggage carousel."  Yeah sure



oh boy!!!
User currently offlineBullpitt From Spain, joined Mar 2004, 871 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2040 times:

Hi all

Sorry to say but as we say in Spain "you´ve all heard shots but you don´t know were they're coming from". At the moment nothing has been confirmed, but if it goes through most likely long haul will have no charge and only in certain conditions will the paps have to pay for their checked luggage.



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User currently offlinePlainplane From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 837 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2040 times:

Would this just be for their domestic flights or would this lead to a big rush of carriers charging to transport bags on international flights?

Quoting Chootie (Reply 5):
Plain(plane) and simple.

Indeed.


User currently offlineAirNz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2011 times:



Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 6):
An international airline like Iberia will set a VERY bad precedent worldwide. I doubt that if you fly internationally you will only take your portfolio and laptop with you.

Sorry, bit I have to disagree with much of your post. It doesn't matter what 'precedent' it will/will not set, what other airlines do is not for IB to decide. Equally, what someone chooses to take on a journey is entirely up to them, whether that be international or domestic.

Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 6):
If airlines force people to pay for checked baggage for international flights, they may as well raise the fares! If you fly 3,000+ miles it's safe to assume you're not making a day trip of it. Just about everyone who flies overseas checks baggage... it would be unethical to charge people for a service that is compulsory.

Each time this 'argument' comes up I ask the same question (yet no-one seems to want to truthfully answer it)......precisely why? If a fare plus any baggage/ancillary charge will equal a raised fare, then what's the difference in how the amount is calculated/paid? However, the blunt truth of that is 'business travellers' would actually have to pay something that they want out of their pocket and not be able to cadge it off others. Sorry, but that's the truth. There is nothing whatever 'compulsory' about it and a person chooses what to take on any flight. Why do you assume someone flying domestic for say, a week away, doesn't need bags while travelling international they do? Why does distance make a difference?

Quoting Flybyguy (Reply 6):
Domestic flights are another story. I've flown a few times with a small shoulder carry-on bag with a change of clothes... no need to check bags if you're only going to a place for a day or two.

Again, with respect, it is not up to you to decide what people choose/need to bring on any flight. If you can something with a small shoulder carry-on bag that's fine.....have you stopped to consider that someone else might have an entirely different reason for travelling in the first place, and hence circumstances?

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 14):
These types of lines are extremely silly. You don't currently pay for it. It is included in the ticket price as a benefit of service.

There's nothing whatever silly about such a comment at all. If something is included in the price of a ticket, then it's a paid for service.....a 'benefit' is simply spinning it. Thus, when a flight price is broken down into ancillary components (as more and more airlines are doing) the poster is quite correct......if he doesn't need something he then doesn't have to pay for it.


User currently offlineTravelExec From Spain, joined Dec 2007, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1956 times:



Quoting Burkhard (Reply 13):
It is unrealsitic that such an adaption of IB to AA habits is not followed by the third in that round, and not coordinated with BA. Maybe it seems easier to implement with IB, and BA regrets has to follow.

This is an interesting point. It would seem to be logical that these three harmonise the business model that they run. Willie Walsh at BA is fighting a different battle at the moment with cost, revenue (and particularly ancilliary revenue) cannot be far behind.

That said, getting Spaniards to accept this sort of practice at Iberia (who mainly recognise that Iberia is a bit of a basket case) is MUCH easier than getting British to accept it from BA. BA was pretty successful in positioning itself in the psyche of the British as highest standard service, and making the British believe that it is the world's favourite airline. When BA inevitably moves in this direction, the initial response from the British, and especially the British press will be brutal.


User currently offlineTravelExec From Spain, joined Dec 2007, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1936 times:



Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 14):
You don't currently pay for it. It is included in the ticket price as a benefit of service.

I suppose by that you mean that you do currently pay for it (even if you don't avail of it), you just don't realise...


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

Will this be for longhauls or just for short to mediumhaul flights? If it's for longhauls, then I'll think twice considering that IB is still (somewhat) in the running for my flight back to Germany next year.

User currently offlineBullpitt From Spain, joined Mar 2004, 871 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1860 times:

hi LTU932

If you read my post carefully it should answer your question.



Tschus



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