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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33041 posts, RR: 71
Posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 13193 times:

Courtesy of the Atlanta Journal Constitution, America's ten busiest air corridors. This is actual traffic flown, not local O&D, albeit these are all huge O&D pairs.

1) Miami-New York City: 8.7M
2) Los Angeles-San Francisco: 6.3M
3) Miami-Atlanta: 5.04M
4) Chicago-New York: 4.7M
5) Atlanta-New York: 4.5M
6) Los Angeles-New York: 4.3M
7) New York-Orlando: 4.0M
8) New York-London: 3.8M
9) Las Vegas-Los Angeles: 3.7M
10) Los Angeels-Phoenix: 3.4M

http://www.ajc.com/business/atlanta-miami-nation-s-157967.html


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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 5154 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 13165 times:

I knew MIA-NYC was a huge market, but it's nearly twice as big as NYC-Chicago, which is a bit of a surprise to me. Also surprised not to see Dallas-Houston on the top ten list.


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User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25648 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 13128 times:

I assumed "America's Busiest Air Corridors" referred to domestic routes only. Obviously that's not the case since New York - London is included.

Wasn't New York - Fort Lauderdale once among the top 10 domestic markets in total passengers, along with Miami?


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33041 posts, RR: 71
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 13065 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 1):
I knew MIA-NYC was a huge market, but it's nearly twice as big as NYC-Chicago, which is a bit of a surprise to me. Also surprised not to see Dallas-Houston on the top ten list.

This is not O&D. This is total traffic, and there is so much traffic that flows between Miami and New York that connects to/from Asia, Europe, LatAm and the Caribbean.

However, Miami-New York is still quite a larger local O&D market: 14,627 daily O&D versus 8,125 on Chicago-New York.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 2):
Wasn't New York - Fort Lauderdale once among the top 10 domestic markets in total passengers, along with Miami?

This is market pairs, not airport pairs.

[Edited 2009-10-08 14:03:15]


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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6222 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13059 times:



Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 1):
I knew MIA-NYC was a huge market,

Cruise traffic adds a big chunk. Ditto for transfer pax to S. America / Caribbean / Lat Am...

I think if you took actual O&D numbers ..the rankings might be different. Most like Houston - Dalls would be in there.

One thought, do these numbers pool airports? NYC (LGA, JFK, EWR) , Houston (IAH, HOU) etc etc



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User currently offline7324ever From Serbia, joined May 2009, 563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13058 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
9) Las Vegas-Los Angeles: 3.7M
10) Los Angeels-Phoenix: 3.4M

I imagine 11 would be LAS-PHX Because the LAX-LAS-PHX is a huge market



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User currently offlineSsublyme From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 517 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13014 times:

Incredible that JFK is among 6 of the 10p 10. Followed by L.A with 4 then Atlanta with 2. I would have expected with Delta routing alot of their passengers through ATL, there would be more ATL-??? pairs than the 2 listed?

User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 12954 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Courtesy of the Atlanta Journal Constitution, America's ten busiest air corridors. This is actual traffic flown, not local O&D, albeit these are all huge O&D pairs.

1) Miami-New York City: 8.7M
2) Los Angeles-San Francisco: 6.3M
3) Miami-Atlanta: 5.04M
4) Chicago-New York: 4.7M
5) Atlanta-New York: 4.5M
6) Los Angeles-New York: 4.3M
7) New York-Orlando: 4.0M
8) New York-London: 3.8M
9) Las Vegas-Los Angeles: 3.7M
10) Los Angeels-Phoenix: 3.4M

http://www.ajc.com/business/atlanta-....html

Just for the sake of having fun, let's pretend that AA or DL or some airline out there had TOTAL 100% market share of MIA-NYC...and say that on the route they utilized MD-80s only.

That means that airline would have to have at least a whopping 170 daily flights between the two cities. If say we continued to pretend and pretended that they served one airport in each city (LGA-MIA only) with these 170 daily flights, that means in order to match demand they'd be flying a flight about every 5 minutes between 6:00 AM and 7:30 PM!

That's a lot of flights!

Now say UA flew LGA-MIA and captured 100% of the NYC-MIA. But instead they decided to use 747-400s instead of MD-80s. In order to fill demand, they'd be flying Boeing 747-400s every 15 minutes between the two cities. Wow, imagine seeing that on a timetable!

Interesting thread, thanks for posting.


User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25648 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 12900 times:



Quoting Airport (Reply 7):
Just for the sake of having fun, let's pretend that AA or DL or some airline out there had TOTAL 100% market share of MIA-NYC...and say that on the route they utilized MD-80s only.

That means that airline would have to have at least a whopping 170 daily flights between the two cities. If say we continued to pretend and pretended that they served one airport in each city (LGA-MIA only) with these 170 daily flights, that means in order to match demand they'd be flying a flight about every 5 minutes between 6:00 AM and 7:30 PM!

Keep in mind that those traffic numbers include both directions, so if you are only considering frequency in each direction it would be every 10 minutes southbound and every 10 minutes northbound.


User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 12793 times:

I'm surprised that Boston-New York-Washington-Boston and Seattle-Portland don't make the list. Those are among the top routes with the most flights, but I guess since they are flown on small planes and others are on bigger planes they wouldn't. Is it a mistake that New York-London is there? All of the others are domestic and I don't know if you're counting international.


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User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 12759 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):

Keep in mind that those traffic numbers include both directions, so if you are only considering frequency in each direction it would be every 10 minutes southbound and every 10 minutes northbound.

Oh whoops, didn't see that. My apologies. Thanks for the correction. Still a lot of flights though!  Smile


User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2894 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 12743 times:



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 4):
One thought, do these numbers pool airports? NYC (LGA, JFK, EWR) , Houston (IAH, HOU) etc etc

Based on the article, yes:

Quote:

"More than 5 million passengers travel between Atlanta and the Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Miami Beach area each year, based on annualized data for March 2009. That’s up 1.7 percent from a year earlier, despite an overall drop in air travel."


and

"About 4.5 million passengers travel between Atlanta and the New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island area annually, the report said. But traffic in that corridor is down 4.7 percent from a year earlier."

So it does seem that they were lumping JFK, LGA, EWR, ISP, and maybe HPN in there for NY. Also, possibly lumping MIA, FLL and PBI together too.



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User currently offlineB377 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 12619 times:

All the statistics from this Brookings report are between major metropolitan markets of the United States and combine multi-airport locations such as EWR/ISP/JFK/LGA or BUR/LAX/LGB/SNA.

For the complete report including the top 100 markets see:

http://www.brookings.edu/reports/200...1008_air_travel_tomer_puentes.aspx

[Edited 2009-10-08 15:33:06]

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33041 posts, RR: 71
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12493 times:

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 4):
I think if you took actual O&D numbers ..the rankings might be different. Most like Houston - Dalls would be in there.

The ranking would be different, but Miami-New York and Los Angeles-San Francisco are still the two busiest domestic O&D city pairs and, IIRC, the only O&D markets with more than 10,000 daily passengers.

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 9):
I'm surprised that Boston-New York-Washington-Boston and Seattle-Portland don't make the list. Those are among the top routes with the most flights, but I guess since they are flown on small planes and others are on bigger planes they wouldn't

Re BOS-NYC: Amtrak.

Re SEA-PDX: It is a high frequency route with small planes. It doesn't even rank in the Top 100.

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 9):
Is it a mistake that New York-London is there? All of the others are domestic and I don't know if you're counting international.

It's not a mistake. Five international routes are in the top 100 - New York-London, New York-Paris, Honolulu-Tokyo, Los Angeles-London and Chicago-London. Also, while not international, New York-San Juan and Miami-San Juan are also in the top 100.

One of the things I found intresting is how Miami-Charlotte is busier than Miami-Dallas, Miami-Boston or Miami-Houston. Kind of shows the power of CLT as a Southeast hub.

And Honolulu-Hilo has overtaken Honolulu-Maui as - just slightly - the busiest intra-Hawai'i route.

[Edited 2009-10-08 16:17:15]

[Edited 2009-10-08 16:18:17]


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User currently offlineLuckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12441 times:

Isn't the drive between Portland and Seattle short enough that a lot of people drive it? I mean, the same interstate bisects both cities, and it's what, three hours between the two? That probably discourages a lot of air traffic when you consider you'd spend MORE time getting there when flying.

User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12372 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
Five international routes are in the top 100 - New York-London, New York-Paris, Honolulu-Tokyo, Los Angeles-London and Chicago-London.

I'm amazed that Los Angeles-London comes before any Los Angeles/San Francisco-Asia route. On that note I'm amazed that no Asia routes other than Honolulu-Tokyo are on the list.


User currently offlineDartland From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12310 times:
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Another thing to note: San Francisco and San Jose are considered separate metro areas for this study. If you add LA - SJ + LA - SF, you get 8.5M pax, or just under NY - Miami.

And since many people do consider the SF/Oakland/SJ one big metro area (clearly SJC is a viable alternate for SFO for much of the metro area), I think this is the more fair comparison.

So in reality, I would say #2 is a much closer #2 than portrayed by this data, albeit still #2.


User currently offlineOOSLC From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 12073 times:

Does LA include all the airports? LAX, BUR, ONT, LGB, SNA?
What would the market be for all the LA area airports to SFO, OAK, and SJC?


User currently offlineAloha73g From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2365 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 12027 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
And Honolulu-Hilo has overtaken Honolulu-Maui as - just slightly - the busiest intra-Hawai'i route.

That is abslutely not the case. HA alone has more than double the daily flights on HNL-OGG as it does on HNL-ITO.

I am going to assume that they added HNL-ITO and HNL-KOA together since they don't have HNL-KOA listed.

Also, HNL-OGG was the only route listed that was under 100 miles, at 89 miles.

Interisland routes ranked from busiest to least busy:
1. HNL-OGG
2. HNL-LIH
3. HNL-KOA
4. HNL-ITO

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User currently offlinePacNWjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 11959 times:



Quoting Luckyone (Reply 14):
Isn't the drive between Portland and Seattle short enough that a lot of people drive it? I mean, the same interstate bisects both cities, and it's what, three hours between the two? That probably discourages a lot of air traffic when you consider you'd spend MORE time getting there when flying.

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The airlines were very fearful that their SEA-PDX flights would take a hit after 9/11 since many passengers would do the math and figure out they would spend more time at the airport than it was worth (because of all the security measures and requirements to be at the airport a certain time before one's flight) when you can just hop in your car and go. In response the Port of Portland has an express line at security for passengers flying from PDX to SEA in the hopes that would encourage people to fly rather than drive. Still, for those of us who live in the greater Portland area, the temptation to bypass the chaos at the airport and simply fly to Seattle is rather great.


User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 11905 times:

Quoting PacNWjet (Reply 19):
Still, for those of us who live in the greater Portland area, the temptation to bypass the chaos at the airport and simply fly to Seattle is rather great.

Really? I don't live in PDX but I've flown in and out of there many times at all periods of the day including during rush and I've always found PDX to be very very efficient. Granted I never had to park anywhere, so perhaps its that, but I consider PDX to be one of the top airports in the country as far as efficiency, terminal quality, and general user friendliness.

I'll even say the same for SEA (my personal favorite airport), but I might be different in the sense that I've literally passed through that airport more times than I can count, so perhaps I just know the airport incredibly well.

[Edited 2009-10-08 18:42:29]

User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25648 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11825 times:



Quoting Aloha73g (Reply 18):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
And Honolulu-Hilo has overtaken Honolulu-Maui as - just slightly - the busiest intra-Hawai'i route.

That is abslutely not the case. HA alone has more than double the daily flights on HNL-OGG as it does on HNL-ITO.

I also find that hard to believe. Total frequency (all carriers) HNL-OGG is 48 daily, vs only 25 daily HNL-ITO.

Not sure if it's still the case with Aloha's demise, but for years HNL-OGG was the busiest U.S. airport pair in terms of scheduled flight frequency.


User currently offlineTimpdx From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 572 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11735 times:

Unfortunately, this list has some inaccuracies because they use the MSA (Metro Statistical Area) instead of the CSA (Combined Statistical Area). Especially for airports, where the "watershed" of service by an airport is much larger. The MSA definition is biased against large western cities and is pretty universally acknowledged by planners (my University major) to not be relevant. Everyone knows and common sense says that San Jose is part of the Bay Area, and heck, downtown LA is closer to Ontario than SNA, yet ONT is not included. Go look at the satellite photos of the metros and anyone can see clearly that SJO and ONT belong in with the larger metros adjacent.

But that does not change the fact that NYC-MIA would still be #1. I am certain it would bump up the LA-Vegas ranking. Using the CSA would also put BWI with its area counterparts, millions of area residents are closer to BWI than the DC area airports.


User currently offlinePacNWjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11687 times:



Quoting Airport (Reply 20):
Really? I don't live in PDX but I've flown in and out of there many times at all periods of the day including during rush and I've always found PDX to be very very efficient. Granted I never had to park anywhere, so perhaps its that, but I consider PDX to be one of the top airports in the country as far as efficiency, terminal quality, and general user friendliness.

Yes, compared to many other airports PDX is relatively efficient and user-friendly. However, there are peak times of travel when, like most big-city airports, parking, check-in, security, etc. can be stressful, and so there is always the temptation to drive instead of flying. The point is, although in many ways Portland and Seattle are like sister cities with many people traveling frequently between the two, as a travel corridor the distance is short enough that people have the option to drive (or take the train) and bypass the airports. Besides, one should keep in mind that depending on where one is going in Portland or Seattle, the airport could be considered out of the way if one has the option of driving directly to one's destination.


User currently onlinePellegrine From France, joined Mar 2007, 2468 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11651 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Courtesy of the Atlanta Journal Constitution, America's ten busiest air corridors. This is actual traffic flown, not local O&D, albeit these are all huge O&D pairs.

1) Miami-New York City: 8.7M
2) Los Angeles-San Francisco: 6.3M
3) Miami-Atlanta: 5.04M
4) Chicago-New York: 4.7M
5) Atlanta-New York: 4.5M
6) Los Angeles-New York: 4.3M
7) New York-Orlando: 4.0M
8) New York-London: 3.8M
9) Las Vegas-Los Angeles: 3.7M
10) Los Angeels-Phoenix: 3.4M

http://www.ajc.com/business/atlanta-....html



Quoting B377 (Reply 12):
All the statistics from this Brookings report are between major metropolitan markets of the United States and combine multi-airport locations such as EWR/ISP/JFK/LGA or BUR/LAX/LGB/SNA.

For the complete report including the top 100 markets see:

http://www.brookings.edu/reports/200....aspx

Yes this is a news article on a piece of the report I posted in the thread here:
Brookings Inst.: Expect Air Delays In US (by Pellegrine Oct 8 2009 in Civil Aviation)



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25 Bobnwa : The report listed NYC not JFK.
26 Airbazar : For O&D maybe, but as stated, this is total traffic between markets (not even airports). Its no coincidence that every single one of those top 10 mar
27 CODCAIAH : Here are the pairs in the top 100 that involve Houston: 13. Dallas-Houston 47. Houston-New York 57. Houston-Los Angeles 77. Houston-New Orleans 90. Ch
28 MAH4546 : And 91. Miami-Houston.
29 BOStonsox : Well, I figured that since BOS-LGA, LGA-DCA, BOS-DCA, SEA-PDX, and a couple flights in Hawaii were the most frequently flown routes, they would also
30 MAH4546 : Los Angeles is roughly double the size of Chicago and 4x the size of Boston or D.C. Of course its bigger.
31 Lexy : WOW Mark! That is just unreal numbers between NYC and Miami. I appreciate you posting these numbers as I was just sitting here wondering what some of
32 PlanesNTrains : If true, I can only imagine that its because there are so many more options available for direct OGG-Mainland and OGG-Asia flights. Less people are p
33 Airbazar : Most of which probably never set foot in London I think that factor altough valid, would have more relevance if we were discussing O&D figures but I
34 MAH4546 : London-Los Angeles is still a larger O&D than market regardless. LAX is not an AA hub, although AA has a huge operation at LAX. LAX-LHR has five carr
35 Airbazar : So you just proved my point, that population size doesn't directly correlate to number of passengers. Despite being 4 times smaller, BOS has 3 carrie
36 MAH4546 : Yes, but the fact remains LA-London is a larger local market and the third largest U.S.-Europe trans-Atlantic O&D market.
37 PlanesNTrains : I think the difference in flights being small is because there really aren't many one-stop options for Boston-London passerngers, whereas LA-London f
38 Styles9002 : These data reflect geographic realities. I would reckon that the majority of BOS-NYC traffic doesn't fly at all, and either takes Amrtak, the bus (Fun
39 UA772IAD : Nope. OGG is well connected to the mainland, however, there are no international flights out of OGG.
40 SurfandSnow : You do see quite a few flights to Canada, but those utilize the Canadian pre-clearance facilities at YVR, YYC, and YEG. There has been talk of a leng
41 MAH4546 : Funny thing is, Miami-New York City is one of the heaviest traveled Amtrak routes outside the Northeast.
42 PlanesNTrains : Well, I won't claim to be an expert on Hawaii travel, so scratch the Asia comment if it doesn't apply. The point, though, is that if you can get to M
43 Styles9002 : I'm sure it is well traveled but doubt it would come close to the amount of traffic between BOS NYC WAS. With that said, I don't have any details on
44 Aloha73G : Check out my Reply #18. Basically they added Kona and Hilo together (same Island) in the Hilo numbers. There is NO WAY that there is more traffic bet
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