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DL's Answer To 772LR Ferries Tatl?  
User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2585 posts, RR: 9
Posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6499 times:

There was a thread that you can't post to anymore that talked about DL ferrying 772LR's to LHR for chemical spraying required in Australia. I just noted a sked change on DL's LAX-SYD service that looks like it solves the problem by providing a 6:00 turn around at SYD on Tuesdays. I would assume spraying is the reason, but will the smell go away with a 6:00 ground time?
http://airlineroute.net/2009/10/08/dl-sydlaxatl-resked/
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Delta Flies Empty Planes Across Atlantic! (by KL911 Sep 8 2009 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=4544687&searchid=4545078&s=dl+lax-syd#ID4545078

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User currently offlineClemsonaj From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4172 times:

I doubt the smell will have gone away in that time. However the adverse effects to humans, other than potential respiratory effects as discussed in the previous thread (asthma related), will have diminished. Of course they could fly back with the windows open to alleviate the smell.  Wink

This is obviously a much better option than flying an empty plane across the Atlantic in terms of cost.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4146 times:



Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Thread starter):
I just noted a sked change on DL's LAX-SYD service that looks like it solves the problem by providing a 6:00 turn around at SYD on Tuesdays

This was a suggestion of mine in that thread. A longer turn once a week.



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User currently offlineTimf From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 969 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3903 times:
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In addition to the extended turn on Tuesdays in SYD, they will also be sending some LRs on the DTW-PVG route. The turn is overnight so this will provide for the opportunity to spray additional aircraft as needed.

[Edited 2009-10-09 19:24:42 by timf]

User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6449 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3359 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
This was a suggestion of mine in that thread. A longer turn once a week.

Someone in a position of authority at DL must have read your post and said "Why didn't we think of that"?


User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5120 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3219 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
This was a suggestion of mine in that thread. A longer turn once a week.



Quoting Timf (Reply 3):
Someone in a position of authority at DL must have read your post and said "Why didn't we think of that"?

And I started the thread, lol . At least it feels good that something has changed now. But I doubt DL exec made the change based on a Airliners.net post.  Smile

Btw, how does the extended stay in SYD affect the LR utilisation?

KL911



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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6449 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3060 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 5):
But I doubt DL exec made the change based on a Airliners.net post.

You think???


User currently offline787KQ From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2771 times:



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 4):
Someone in a position of authority at DL must have read your post and said "Why didn't we think of that"?

Or thought that if someone on Anet can figure out a solution (even one suggested earlier inhouse), they could not refuse to implement the obvious.


User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7065 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2728 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 5):
But I doubt DL exec made the change based on a Airliners.net post.

Well, until the thread was started they were content to fly empty a/c to LHR just for spraying, the same genius mind that made that decision now decides that a longer turn once a week is a much cheaper alternative, now since no new folks are in charge where did they get that idea from? Makes you wonder  Smile


User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4670 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2670 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 5):
But I doubt DL exec made the change based on a Airliners.net post. Smile

they probably didn't make the change because of the post, but it might have gotten them thinking. No way of knowing for sure though.



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User currently offlineJbmitt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 547 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2605 times:

The LR still had to have the initial sprays done before visiting Australia. So it makes sense to have the longer turns for the re-occuring treatment. I still think that there must have been an easier solution than the empty ferry to LHR. The hop from CDG to LHR made more sense.

How tight is the utilization on the LR. With the longer overnight, does it continue from LAX to ATL or stay in LAX for the turn back to SYD?


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6449 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2512 times:



Quoting JRadier (Reply 9):
they probably didn't make the change because of the post, but it might have gotten them thinking. No way of knowing for sure though.

Lets just say, that postings on A net have little or any hing to do with decisions by airlines. It might be nice to think so, but they don't.


User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2455 times:



Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Thread starter):
I would assume spraying is the reason, but will the smell go away with a 6:00 ground time?

But each aircraft only get sprayed once every SIX months or so.



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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4670 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2429 times:



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 11):

Lets just say, that postings on A net have little or any hing to do with decisions by airlines. It might be nice to think so, but they don't.

Tell me something I don't know  Wink. The chance isn't zero however.



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User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3933 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2360 times:
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Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Thread starter):
I would assume spraying is the reason, but will the smell go away with a 6:00 ground time?



Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 12):
But each aircraft only get sprayed once every SIX months or so.

Residual application must be done every 8 weeks as per AQIS, not 6 months, so in a way it makes sense to reschedule one day every week and send each B77L in turn down to SYD. By the time the last one is treated, it'll be time to treat the first one again the following week.

On the other hand, the timing is extremely tight. A plane this size normally takes about 6 hours just for the treatment. AQIS rules demand that the plane be locked up tight during the application and forbids any other activity in or on the plane at the same time.

6 hours to offload passengers, cargo, luggage and catering, then treat the plane, then prep and load it for its next flight.... Either a faster application process has been approved, or DL will have to have everything run on schedule down to the minute, else the return flights will take delays after delays.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2356 times:



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 11):
Lets just say, that postings on A net have little or any hing to do with decisions by airlines. It might be nice to think so, but they don't.

If they did a few more airlines might be making money. Plus, someone on here could have told JetAmerica that they needed slots to fly to EWR, but no...  Smile

Seriously though, I hope that DL did this because it is cheaper and more convenient for them and not to pander to the wackos.



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User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7065 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2294 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 15):
Seriously though, I hope that DL did this because it is cheaper and more convenient for them and not to pander to the wackos.

The only difference between those in charge and us wackos is that we are from planet earth, they on the other hand are from some alien planet which teaches everything better than what we humans know about  Smile


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5116 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2012 times:



Quoting JRadier (Reply 9):
they probably didn't make the change because of the post,

They were getting hammered in the European media over this. That's the more-likely reason for the change.

I wonder whether DL will be letting the lucky passengers know that they will be flying on an aircraft that has just completed being "de-insected" moments before they boarded.

Yummy!


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