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Why No Stansted-Paris Service?  
User currently offlineNed Kelly From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 410 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4982 times:

I will normally be the first person to admit I hate these type of threads, but I am going to be working in Paris for a while & I was looking for flights for the above route so I could pop home on a regular basis as an alternative to the Eurostar train. I guess in a way I have answered my own question "Eurostar", also "lack of demand" is usually another reason why an airline doesn't fly a particular route. But when I looked there seems to be plenty of other flights to London, such as Gatwick, Heathrow & Luton but none I could find for Stansted!!
Stansted has LCC Easyjet & Ryanair based there, in addition both have bases at CDG/ORY (U2) & Ryanair Beauvais (BVA). Suprised none of them have taken this route on yet. Anyone got any other answers?

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User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1843 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4878 times:

I flew only one CDG-STN 8 to 10 years ago. It was on KLM-UK. I don't think there are flights anymore between PAR and LGW (BA axed this route a few years ago). BD axed also CDG-LHR (AF & BA remain on this route). You gave the answer : Eurostar

User currently offlineShankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1543 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4789 times:

Used to be one of the underpin routes of Stansted airport in the late 70's and early 80's (along with AMS) as it began to emerge as a potential 3rd London airport.

Initially operated by Air Anglia with F27's which then merged with BIA to become Air UK (SD330's, 360's, F27's & F28), which became KLM UK (F100's), which partly became Buzz, which was dissolved into Ryanair with the remainder of th business dissolved back into KLM. Gone!

Worth also noting that during this period BA and AF used to throw multiple A300's and L1011's across the channel to meet capacity. As Goldorak notes, Eurostar is the answer



L1011 - P F M
User currently offlineNoelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4786 times:

Buzz used to operate STN-CDG with a 146, remember taking this flight back in 2001. The only flights LON-PAR now are from LCY and LHR.

Looks like airlines on these routes are gradually pulling out of the London routes, the good news is you can still fly from the rest of the country to CDG (where there isn't easy access to the Eurostar) - EMA, BHX, MAN to name but a few all have flights to CDG.


User currently offlineSignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 3005 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4766 times:

Easyjet have a LTN-CDG service, which if you're driving is not a huge distence from STN.

Quoting Shankly (Reply 2):

has already explained the history of the route, I worked in Paris in 1999-2000 and used both KLMuk and Buzz a few times. I also came close to buying a ticket on Suckling Airways from CDG to NWI but the route closed over the year 2000 celebrations. Flybe also fly CDG-BHX which is connected by train to STN if you really want some variety!

Or, for cheapness, try Eurolines, or the train+ferry combination via Calais and Dover...

signol



Flights booked: none :(
User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3169 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4627 times:

Nevertheless, it surprises met that U2 is able to fill up to 4 daily flights (Fridays) on LTN-CDG. At the times that Eurostar had it's terminus at Waterloo, I could understand that LTN was an attractive alternative airport for people from north London, who didn't want to cross the city. But with Eurostar going from St. Pancrass to Gare du Nord, I don't really see how U2 competes here. I would have thought that LGW-CDG would be more attractive, for people from the South of London.

On the other hand, I'm also surprised that both SN and BA still fly LGW-BRU, as London-Brussels on Eurostart is even shorter than London-Paris.


User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3238 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4607 times:

I think that they key to U2's success on LTN - CDG is the fact that LTN is about 48km north of London - it thus has a sizeable catchment area beyond London itself. Additionally it would garner traffic from those folks who prefer not to trek to the big city to travel onwards - nowadays that is a big consideration for some.

LGW is SN's only London destination.

TrinToCan.



Hop to it, fly for life!
User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4596 times:

I would have thought that door-to-door the Euroster would be faster than taking a flight between STN and Paris with all the hanging around the airport on both sides.

I took a coach once. The flight is so short but the coach feels like London to Vladivostok.

You can't beat the Eurostar.


User currently offlineSignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 3005 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4518 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 7):
I took a coach once.

So did I once. Overnight to Paris, day there (flat-hunting) then overnight back. A killer.

We actually went to Paris last week by train, took the car to Luton and parked at the Parkway station, and took the train to St Pancras. Train left Parkway station at 10.16, we were on the 11.01 Eurostar - just made it!

Quoting Joost (Reply 5):
4 daily flights (Fridays)

They can capture the weekend market.

I once had to go to Paris for work, and my manager booked U2, as the cost was less, even including getting to Luton from Newmarket (no mean feat when I didn't have a car, via London on the train), than the Eurostar.

signol



Flights booked: none :(
User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7535 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4377 times:



Quoting Joost (Reply 5):
But with Eurostar going from St. Pancrass to Gare du Nord, I don't really see how U2 competes here.

Price?

I took two dates at random. London to Paris in a month's time on 10 November returning on 13 November. The lowest price St Pancras-Gare du Nord on Eurostar was £59.00 (£29.50 out and return). The lowest price LTN-CDG on U2 was £44.15 (£20.99 out and £23.16 return) or a saving of just over a quarter.

However to the U2 fare must be added the Roissy-Gare du Nord train fare (assuming the journey is to or through central Paris). But many (like myself living 12 miles from LTN) would save money by travelling to LTN rather than to St Pancras as a departure point.


User currently offlineDarr34 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2009, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3429 times:



Quoting VV701 (Reply 9):
I took two dates at random. London to Paris in a month's time on 10 November returning on 13 November. The lowest price St Pancras-Gare du Nord on Eurostar was £59.00 (£29.50 out and return). The lowest price LTN-CDG on U2 was £44.15 (£20.99 out and £23.16 return) or a saving of just over a quarter

and also it's easier to find EZY's cheapest fare than Eurostar's cheapest. The Paris £59rtn Eurostar fare has limited avaliabilty compared with that of Lille or Brussels

Did FR never have a STN to BVA service?


User currently offlineRivet42 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 818 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3370 times:

I love flying, and generally if the flying time is greater than the total amount of time spent travelling to/from the airports and waiting around, then it's fine. But for LON-PAR and LON-BRU I'd choose Eurostar any day. Especially as a Leisure Select fare can often be had for under £200 return, which is business-class level service for the entire journey rather than just the 30 minutes spent in the air. Love it!

Riv'



I travel, therefore I am.
User currently offlineNed Kelly From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3355 times:

Many thanks for the replies. I did of course mean to enter London City airport rather than Gatwick. My intention by trying to find a flight on a CDG/ORY-STN service was to try and avoid travelling through central London, along with a cheap alternative to the Eurostar. I live in Colchester Essex so on top of the Eurostar fare it will cost me approximately £40 return to get from St Pancras - Colchester via Liverpool Street Stn. From Stansted to Colchester there is an excellent cheap bus service, so total price door to door is a factor I considered when looking for an alternative (& I like flying!). I did check the U2 LTN-ORY service for price consideration, and some flights were around the £29 each way which is the same as the cheapest Eurostar, problem is Luton is too far from where I live. I guess Luton has a bigger catchment area than Stansted, however I would have thought the Eurostar would have been a bigger competitor with U2 as St Pancras/Kings Cross is on the same train line as Luton, Stansted is not. Although Stansted would probaly loose out to the NE London catchement for Pax's, I would have thought there would be enough pax's from the other areas around STN.

I guess it's Eurostar for me then!


User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2388 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3180 times:



Quoting Darr34 (Reply 10):
Did FR never have a STN to BVA service?

No.



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