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Why No TAM 777 To JFK?  
User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2866 posts, RR: 10
Posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3805 times:
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Given the rising hype to Brazil from the USA, (World Cup and now Olympics) and TAM's new advertising in NYC featuring a A330, why don't they consider using the 777 to compete better with AA, DL and CO to Brazil. TAM's brand new 777's are amazing, especially when they get First Class suites put in!


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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3682 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3783 times:



Quoting VC10er (Thread starter):
Given the rising hype to Brazil from the USA, (World Cup and now Olympics) and TAM's new advertising in NYC featuring a A330, why don't they consider using the 777 to compete better with AA, DL and CO to Brazil. TAM's brand new 777's are amazing, especially when they get First Class suites put in!

Because their 77W fleet is limited, so it's more appropriate to fly double daily GRU-JFK with a higher utilization of the 332s. MIA, JFK and MAD* are JJ's only intercontinental destinations that allow the return flight to end on the same day.

*The strategy isn't used to MAD anymore.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8286 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3579 times:
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TAM only has 4 77W's, they use them to FRA & LHR.

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11419 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3546 times:
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Quoting VC10er (Thread starter):
Given the rising hype to Brazil from the USA, (World Cup and now Olympics) and TAM's new advertising in NYC featuring a A330, why don't they consider using the 777 to compete better with AA, DL and CO to Brazil. TAM's brand new 777's are amazing, especially when they get First Class suites put in!

TAM will receive more 4 77W before the World Cup at least. In my view, 2 will be used to CDG or MAD, and another 2 to MXP, and it might represents they may drop the A345.

VC10er, they nowadays use the 77W in places where the demand is big and the competition more limited (because of restricted bilaterals) or where they have access to connections. LHR have only 17 weekly flights to Brazil and FRA just 14. NYC in the other hand have 40 weekly flights. They don't need to use the 77W to the United States because they can add more A332 flights, while places like LHR and FRA, they couldn't do it because of slot restrictions so the best is to use a bigger plane.
Plus, i believe in a long flight to Europe, the 77W is even better.

But for 2014/2016 you shall see changes and all depends on the visa policy in place to be removed by both Brazil and United States.



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User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2866 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3318 times:
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Thanks LipeGIG. Tudo Bem voce?

That all makes sense. I was on the TAM 777 from LHR to GRU in business and it was quite nice. I know that they are due to get a first suite but has anyone seen what they look like? If they did ever put one on to JFK as RG did, I would fly it all the time over AA or DL or CO!
Also, could TAM's 777 make it non-stop to SYD? A flight I could have used the end of this month!
Cheers, rb



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11419 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3280 times:
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Quoting VC10er (Reply 4):
Thanks LipeGIG. Tudo Bem voce?

Tudo otimo e contigo ?

Quoting VC10er (Reply 4):
That all makes sense. I was on the TAM 777 from LHR to GRU in business and it was quite nice. I know that they are due to get a first suite but has anyone seen what they look like? If they did ever put one on to JFK as RG did, I would fly it all the time over AA or DL or CO!
Also, could TAM's 777 make it non-stop to SYD? A flight I could have used the end of this month!

The business seats on the 777's are the same on mostly of their A332 fleet except for 1 frame still with 42C 171Y (MVE) that runs MCO flights (that's the only one without First Class) and 2 frames still with 7F 30C (old flat beds) that will be like the others soon (4F 36C).
The F to 773 fleet will be the same as far as i known, because TAM wants a single setting.

About SYD, they would need the use the A345, but i'm not sure it could reach.



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User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2866 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3234 times:
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Todo! Muito bom!
The only other long haul TAM flights I have been on was the 767 GIG/JFK in C, then A330 from JFK to GIG (the frame that has all the signatures on the hull) then the 777 in C. So each time I've had a very different seat style.
The seats on the 777 were new angled lie-flats but very comfy. Seemed to be on less of an angle (when in bed position) than LH which was impressive- although maybe it just seemed that way! The colors on board I must admit were awful, but very nice ride nonetheless.
The 767 had old recliner style seats, but having a JFK/GIG non-stop was refreshing!
It would be great if TAM could be the SQ of South America and I am hoping to live to see that day, I hate the new livery. It's so NOT Brazilian or classy. But the 777 was a classy ride on a beautiful machine..
It's so hard to get to GIG from Asia- I pray for TAM to find a way to get us to and from major Asia hubs with less pain.
Obrigado!



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11419 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3178 times:
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Quoting VC10er (Reply 6):
The only other long haul TAM flights I have been on was the 767 GIG/JFK in C, then A330 from JFK to GIG (the frame that has all the signatures on the hull) then the 777 in C

They replaced the 767 on JFK-GIG because corporate demand obligates them to acknowledge the need of First Class on this route. Now is difficult to get a F seat. Was a great change, same C cabin size with better seats (6 are used for crew rest now), 4 new F seats, and a little more Y. Have to say, JFK-GIG performs so well that nowadays is one of the top 2 int'l routes for JJ on a flight basis. The bad side is that, become impossible to get Frequent Flyer tickets.

Quoting VC10er (Reply 6):
The colors on board I must admit were awful, but very nice ride nonetheless.

All refurbished and new A332 come with such resource, it's very interesting and relax !

Quoting VC10er (Reply 6):
The 767 had old recliner style seats, but having a JFK/GIG non-stop was refreshing!

You're 100% right. I will have 4 trips on JFK-GIG-JFK during the next 4 months and let me say, that's possible thanks to the non-stop. TAM next step, i believe, is to try to make it year round daily by adding a second plane as soon as they end the upgrade on the 3 "old" A332.

Quoting VC10er (Reply 6):
It would be great if TAM could be the SQ of South America and I am hoping to live to see that day, I hate the new livery

That's difficult because they try to compete in cost and fares with G3 on domestic market which do not demand a lot. SQ big advantage is that they only need to compete on int'l market.

Quoting VC10er (Reply 6):
It's so hard to get to GIG from Asia- I pray for TAM to find a way to get us to and from major Asia hubs with less pain

It's a missing point, but the way Rio is growing, and now with more oil to come, the World Cup and Olympics, hope one airline realize the gold mine available.



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User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2866 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3089 times:
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Interesting that the GIG/JFK route is #2 for JJ. Maybe the old days of Pan Am will come back!
With the world cup, olympics, oil and the new museum in Copacabana and more will make Rio a major global city. That all on top of being the world's most beautiful city.
If JJ was to really expand internationally, what ac do you see them going for? More 777's? Or A380? Or 787? Would they ever be a 7478i customer?
I saw an internal JJ strategy presentation recently, I couldn't read it all as it was all in portuguese, but it included photoshop versions of a TAM A380 & 7478i. I don't know how serious the document was. Exciting!



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24891 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3085 times:



Quoting VC10er (Reply 8):
With the world cup, Olympics

Those are short-term events and would only result in heavier traffic immediately before and after. Many of those types of events actually deter people from visiting during the events (apart from people attending the events themselves) due to high prices (both air fares and hotels) and the usual shortage of hotel accommodation even if you are willing to pay the asking price.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11419 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3053 times:
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Quoting VC10er (Reply 8):
With the world cup, olympics, oil and the new museum in Copacabana and more will make Rio a major global city. That all on top of being the world's most beautiful city.

Oil & gas industry for sure will bring even more business to Rio.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
Those are short-term events and would only result in heavier traffic immediately before and after. Many of those types of events actually deter people from visiting during the events (apart from people attending the events themselves) due to high prices (both air fares and hotels) and the usual shortage of hotel accommodation even if you are willing to pay the asking price.

I would agree with you if it's other market. Rio has suffer worldwide by being considered a place not so safe. While other markets receives 20/30 million visitors per year, Rio receives just 2 million int'l tourists.
So in my view, a better image would bring more people to Rio and this would need more flights as nowadays the city would not deal with it's demand + visitors (GIG got 2.4 million int'l passengers, and i have to imagine, at least 1,2 million would be locals)

Quoting VC10er (Reply 8):
I saw an internal JJ strategy presentation recently, I couldn't read it all as it was all in portuguese, but it included photoshop versions of a TAM A380 & 7478i. I don't know how serious the document was. Exciting!

I never heard about their plans for A380 or 748i considering there's a lot to do in terms of markets and city pairs.

Quoting VC10er (Reply 8):
If JJ was to really expand internationally, what ac do you see them going for? More 777's? Or A380? Or 787? Would they ever be a 7478i customer?

I would say the A332 will continue to play a very important role for JJ together with the 77W. They have orders for the A350 to replace their 332 fleet.



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