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Seat Pitch...am I Crazy?  
User currently offlineAC330 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 335 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9938 times:

So I just recently took my very first flight with Virgin Atlantic Airways on the LHR-LAX route on the A340-600. I usually fly transatlantic with Air Canada and being 6 foot 3, I have always found their aircraft spacious and comfortable. I found the VS flight to feel very cramped and my knees were constantly touching the seat in front of me. After 11 hours I was more than happy to get off. Which isn't something I say often when flying!

So now, just out of curiosity, I went on to seat guru to compare seat pitch and according to them, the VS346 and the AC77W have the same seat pitch!!! I was shocked. It sure didn't feel like it....

AC330

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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9873 times:



Quoting AC330 (Thread starter):
So now, just out of curiosity, I went on to seat guru to compare seat pitch and according to them, the VS346 and the AC77W have the same seat pitch!!! I was shocked. It sure didn't feel like it....

The design of the seat does make a difference. Where the pockets are, how full they are, the presence of an IFE box, etc. all affect the comfort of the seat.

Quoting AC330 (Thread starter):
I usually fly transatlantic with Air Canada and being 6 foot 3,

You're stronger than me. I'm 6'4" and three hours is about my limit for coach. I could be okay for a little while longer if I'm in an exit row, but transatlantic. Not fun.



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User currently onlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7393 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9515 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
The design of the seat does make a difference

Yes. Seat pitch is not always a reliable guide to leg room.

For example not so long ago BA introduced a new, thin backed economy class seat on their short haul fleet. This enabled them to add an extra row of seats in their A320s without any decrease in leg room. But, of course, the seat pitch was reduced.

So it is probable that seat design is the cause of the apparent difference in leg room between AC's and VS's long haul aircraft's seats of nominally the same pitch.


User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3003 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9442 times:

Yes these two are not a good comparison and is definately a big difference!

When I flew AC 77W, the seat pitch was excellent and also the seats were extremely wide...

On Air Canada's 777-300ER they have a seat pitch of 34 inches and a width of 18.5 inches. While Virgin Atlantic is 17-17.5inch seat width and 30-31 inch pitch.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24868 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9342 times:



Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 3):
On Air Canada's 777-300ER they have a seat pitch of 34 inches

That's not correct. AC seat pitch on both the 77W and 77L is 32 inches. They haven't had 34 inch pitch in Y class on any aircraft for years. Seat maps from their website.
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/fleet/77W.html
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/fleet/77L.html


User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8927 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
You're stronger than me. I'm 6'4" and three hours is about my limit for coach. I could be okay for a little while longer if I'm in an exit row, but transatlantic. Not fun.

I know that feeling. I'm 6'4 as well and did three transoceanic trips last summer (ATL-HNL and back, then GSO-CVG-FRA and back, and then JFK-IST-JFK, all in Y). Let's say I was a little tired of flying after a while. I then went to Alaska this summer. Fortunately I was able to get the exit or bulkhead most of the flights, except for the longest flight which was IAD-SEA on UA.


User currently offlineIrobertson From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 601 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8793 times:

You guys have it good. I have a friend who is 6'9" who, in order to get home, has to take a J31 from Edmonton to Fort Smith. It's not transatlantic, but he has to take a single seat and stick one leg out in the aisle! On long flights, he asks the person in front not to recline because it paralyzes him!

User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3003 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7364 times:

My apologies, I was sure the pitch on ACs 777s were 34 inches but I seem to be wrong.

They were however some of most well proportioned Economy seats I have flown in.

Giles


User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4913 posts, RR: 43
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5963 times:



Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 7):
They were however some of most well proportioned Economy seats I have flown in.

I agree, at 18.5" between the armrests with decent legroom, the Triple is a comfortable way to spend 16 hours, when you can't get up into the front end of the beast.



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User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3535 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4154 times:

I've noticed this myself, BA VS claim to have the same seat pitch in economy, but BA always to me seems roomier.
Its either the seat thickness, or a question of slightly misleading measurements.

31" might be 30.51" rounded up !!!

Does anyone take a tape measure with them to check ?


User currently offlineClipper136 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 316 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3990 times:

Seat Pitch is measured from the back of the seat in front ...to the back of the seat behind at the same point.

So the style of seat has a major impact on the knee room. A thicker seat back cushion or large seat back pocket will decrease the knee room and "feel" tighter. So 2 airlines can have the same seat pitch and feel completely different.

For example, DL (738, 752) and US (A332) have recently introduced "slim line" seats in Y with a thinner seat back cushion. Neither airlines have adjusted their seat pitch, but the new seats give and extra 1-2 inches of knee room.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3906 times:



Quoting Clipper136 (Reply 10):
For example, DL (738, 752) and US (A332) have recently introduced "slim line" seats in Y with a thinner seat back cushion

Similar seats have been standard on every E-Jet I've flown on, which is just another reason why I like them.

Also, AA has introduced slimline seats on their new configuration 737-800s which also include the feature where the seat bottom slides forward when the seat reclines, preserving the knee room in the seat behind.

At least some of Allegiants MD-80s have seats that have the pockets located higer up near the headrest, which helps knee room.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineAerecosse From UK - Scotland, joined Mar 2009, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3273 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4):
They haven't had 34 inch pitch in Y class on any aircraft for years.

SeatGuru does indicate that seat pitch of up to 34" on 767-300XM (vers 3) on AC. Agree with others posts in that I have always found AC 767's to feel really room in Y. Have also flown MH & NZ 747's - both of which had 34" in Y - both again felt really comfortable, excellent in flight service levels, catering & entertainment.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24868 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3232 times:



Quoting Aerecosse (Reply 12):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4):
They haven't had 34 inch pitch in Y class on any aircraft for years.

SeatGuru does indicate that seat pitch of up to 34" on 767-300XM (vers 3) on AC. Agree with others posts in that I have always found AC 767's to feel really room in Y.

AC's own seat maps only show 31" or 32" depending on seat location for both the XM'd aircraft and the 3 763s with the non-standard door layout which did not have the XM modification and are being changed to a higher-density layout for use on several new peak season Canada-Europe routes next summer (BCN and ATH and possibly something else I've forgotten).
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/fleet/b767-300erxm.html
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/fleet/b767-300er.html


User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2598 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3084 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4):
They haven't had 34 inch pitch in Y class on any aircraft for years. Seat maps from their website.

Are you sure?

http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/fleet/embraer-175.html

OK, it's not a long haul plane, but still... I can tell you, I enjoy these E-jets very much.
In the past the A333's had some rows with 34" pitch as well. While these are gone now (ironically due to XM modification that was supposed to increase passenger comfort), I definitely wouldn't say that "They haven't had 34 inch pitch in Y class on any aircraft for years".


User currently offlineEYKD From Russia, joined Dec 2006, 194 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2901 times:



Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 9):
31" might be 30.51" rounded up !!!

Can't be: The seat pitch is always an integer number like 30", 31", 32" etc. This is because the installation points are pitched by 1" in the seat tracks.

Seat pitch value might seem to be a little bit off an integer value only in the forward and aft parts of the cabin where seat tracks are angled due to narrowing airplane fuselage.

There's very rear possibility for the seats to be installed at non-integer pitch when an airline wants to optimize its cabin space and fit as many seat rows as possible, so some seat might be installed at the pitch, say, 31.5" via seat track adapter. But again, this is very rear solution, mostly because it is very expensive.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24868 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2582 times:



Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 14):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 4):
They haven't had 34 inch pitch in Y class on any aircraft for years. Seat maps from their website.

Are you sure?

http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/fleet/embraer-175.html

OK, it's not a long haul plane, but still... I can tell you, I enjoy these E-jets very much.

Thanks. I was thinking of the longhaul fleet.

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 14):
In the past the A333's had some rows with 34" pitch as well. While these are gone now (ironically due to XM modification that was supposed to increase passenger comfort),

I believe the XM modification of the 333s resulted in a 1" loss of pitch in most Y class rows.


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