747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1165 posts, RR: 1 Posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10461 times:
Though not final yet I saw on FT that BOS-LHR is going from 2X daily 763 to 752 in April, supposedly its already been loaded in Amadeus. Interesting how this route has gone from 777 to 763 to 752 in about a year. But I believe the 3rd flight is coming back next summer.
Also BOS-LAX is losing a frequency (4X to 3X, with 2 of the flights going from 752 to 738) and the seasonal BOS-SAN is being dropped.
Divemaster08 From Cayman Islands, joined Jul 2008, 292 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10438 times:
interesting!
I flew this route in the front of the B777 last year (it was the late evening flight from LHR) and the loads were not that great upfront (me and another paying customer!). Amazed tho how the yields are that low now for the big drop!
Cant be a big Cargo mover then!
Is this maybe in hope of the ATI all being set up between BA/IB by then also??? Although after reading posts on here, that may be delayed indefinitely......
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31107 posts, RR: 74 Reply 2, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 10346 times:
Once BA/AA ATI is approved, which should happen by the end of the month, I would expect AA to discontinue the route entirely, and start using 75Ls on routes from Heathrow to smaller cities like Hartford and Detroit.
747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1165 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 10174 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2): Once BA/AA ATI is approved, which should happen by the end of the month, I would expect AA to discontinue the route entirely, and start using 75Ls on routes from Heathrow to smaller cities like Hartford and Detroit.
I've been wondering about that, given that BOS-LHR continues to be a decent performer for BA;its held steady or maybe even gained capacity as currently its 2X daily 744's in the evening and a 772 on the daylight flight.
Meanwhile AA continues to cut back its BOS presence with this in addition to the seasonal BOS-CDG going to a 757 and the cuts to BOS-LAX and SAN. Both those transcon routes have been saturated by the additional flights added by B6 and VX.
Tommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6171 posts, RR: 9 Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9858 times:
AA is not going to take their own metal to operate DTW/BWI-LHR...etc. AA is already stretched thin on their own fleet, especially the 757s, and need them to operate the core hub to spoke routes. Plus we all know that AA in recent times hasn't been big on experimenting any point to point routes.
BOS-LHR on 2x 757 surprises me. I was just thinking the other day that it could make sense to operate 1x 763, 1x 757 but I guess AA thinks otherwise. The demand isn't in BOS like it used to I guess....
"Folks that's the news and I'm outta here!" -- Dennis Miller
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8262 posts, RR: 5 Reply 9, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9719 times:
Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 7): BOS-LHR on 2x 757 surprises me. I was just thinking the other day that it could make sense to operate 1x 763, 1x 757 but I guess AA thinks otherwise. The demand isn't in BOS like it used to I guess....
Those 2 763s could be used elsewhere, e.g. MIA-BCN and or MIA-MXP!
Sflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1182 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9693 times:
Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 7): AA is not going to take their own metal to operate DTW/BWI-LHR...etc. AA is already stretched thin on their own fleet, especially the 757s, and need them to operate the core hub to spoke routes
Why not? Just look at AF/DL and see how they are handling secondary/terciary markets trans Atlantic. AA/BA would do the exact same thing. BA would handle the big primary markets like BOS/LAX while AA would handle the smaller markets with 75L
Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 7): Plus we all know that AA in recent times hasn't been big on experimenting any point to point routes.
You're missing the point. If ATI passes, then it would not be a point to point route, it would be spoke to hub. With ATI, LHR essentially becomes a hub! Just like AMS became a NW hub, CDG became a DL hub and FRA became a UA hub.
DFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1064 posts, RR: 9 Reply 11, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9682 times:
Quoting 747fan (Thread starter): Also BOS-LAX is losing a frequency (4X to 3X, with 2 of the flights going from 752 to 738) and the seasonal BOS-SAN is being dropped.
I think AA is not finished uploading the schedules for Boston yet. BOS-LAX is supposed to get its fourth daily flight added back next summer. It will still be a few weeks before we know the full schedule for next summer. BOS-SAN is definitely gone for good though.
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 9): Those 2 763s could be used elsewhere, e.g. MIA-BCN and or MIA-MXP!
On the subject of re-allocating 763 capacity, JFK-BCN will be upgraded back to a 763 for the next summer season. I think this is already uploaded in the booking systems.
Sflaflight From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1182 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9666 times:
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 9):
Those 2 763s could be used elsewhere, e.g. MIA-BCN and or MIA-MXP!
I'm with you on that one SCL767. Once again, this winter, AA to MXP from MIA will be a nightmare for me because it is not operating MXP daily from JFK. The scheduling sucks. Leaving MXP on Monday means a three stop connection (MXP-BRU-LHR/JFK-MIA) and the going there involves a three hour layover at JFK or a NYC airport change. Once again, Skyteam through ATL or CDG is much easier! IB through MAD is a more expensive choice and half the AAdvantage miles since AA wont credit 100% on IB in reduced Y fares!
I don't get why AA is ignoring its AAdvangate MIA base with these two huge holes in MIA trans Atlantic service.
ChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3804 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9529 times:
Seatback From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 581 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9493 times:
American 767 From United States of America, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 3320 posts, RR: 14 Reply 16, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9455 times:
Does this mean the continuing segment of flight AA 108 to BRU will be a 757? Now it is a 763 because the BOS-LHR flight is a 763 and the LHR-BRU is a continuation of this flight with the same aircraft, as discussed in another thread. If my logic works right, that LHR-BRU flight will be a 757 provided that flight will still be going on in April.
Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 14): Is BOS even a 'focus city' for AA any more?
I believe it still is, because besides DFW, MIA and ORD, AA still flies to LAX, STL and LHR nonstop from BOS, not sure about SFO, and Eagle still flies to JFK and LGA from BOS.
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DFWEagle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1064 posts, RR: 9 Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9405 times:
Quoting American 767 (Reply 16): Does this mean the continuing segment of flight AA 108 to BRU will be a 757? Now it is a 763 because the BOS-LHR flight is a 763 and the LHR-BRU is a continuation of this flight with the same aircraft, as discussed in another thread. If my logic works right, that LHR-BRU flight will be a 757 provided that flight will still be going on in April.
LHR-BRU is a temporary flight for winter 09/10 ONLY. By the time BOS-LHR gets a 757, the LHR-BRU segment will be gone.
747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1165 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9395 times:
Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 10): Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 7):
AA is not going to take their own metal to operate DTW/BWI-LHR...etc. AA is already stretched thin on their own fleet, especially the 757s, and need them to operate the core hub to spoke routes
Why not? Just look at AF/DL and see how they are handling secondary/terciary markets trans Atlantic. AA/BA would do the exact same thing. BA would handle the big primary markets like BOS/LAX while AA would handle the smaller markets with 75L
I could see AA doing this to DTW (former BA market), BDL (has relatively large TATL demand for its size due to it being a relatively strong business market, had nonstop on NW to AMS) and BWI (currently a BA 763). If ATI approves I still doubt BOS-LHR would completely go away on AA (maybe at least drop AA156/157), plus we've been saying on here the last few years that BOS-CDG is on its last legs yet it keeps coming back (although that has nothing to do with LHR). BA has plenty of capacity in this market plus VS has a daily 744/A346.
LDVAviation From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 747 posts, RR: 5 Reply 19, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 9166 times:
Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 13): Amazing to see how far LHR business has fallen to think that AA has to downgrade LHR flights to 757s.
Yet, Delta is still wishing it could fly more than 3 times a day from JFK to LHR.
COERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1420 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8724 times:
Quoting American 767 (Reply 16):
I believe it still is, because besides DFW, MIA and ORD, AA still flies to LAX, STL and LHR nonstop from BOS, not sure about SFO, and Eagle still flies to JFK and LGA from BOS.
Add SJU, SFO, AUA, CDG, STT, SDQ, PLS for mainline(AUA, CDG, STT, PLS are seasonal). RDU, YYZ and DCA for Eagle. I think even with reductions AA still has 70+ flights, a day, a pretty big presence at BOS.
PlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4536 posts, RR: 28 Reply 21, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8569 times:
Quoting LDVAviation (Reply 19): Yet, Delta is still wishing it could fly more than 3 times a day from JFK to LHR.
The worlds largest carrier can't get more slots? Are they that strapped for cash? DLNWAFKL don't have just one more slot somewhere that they could allocate to this route?
Maddog888 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 159 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8182 times:
Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 13): Amazing to see how far LHR business has fallen to think that AA has to downgrade LHR flights to 757s.
wow I miss one year after over fifteen years of regular multiple lhr-bos-lhr trips and look what happens!!!
I remember when they introduced the 777s on that route it seems like only yesterday.
Quoting 747fan (Reply 18): If ATI approves I still doubt BOS-LHR would completely go away on AA (maybe at least drop AA156/157)
noooooooo... they must not do that; 156 is my favorite flight .
Tolosy From Luxembourg, joined Oct 2003, 357 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7400 times:
Quoting LY777 (Reply 23): The 757 is going to be the King of the Atlantic!
SO TRUE!!!!!!!!!!
A week ago I flew back from BOS, initially I was supposed to fly BOS-AMS on the first flight (757) but it got cancelled so we were moved to the later flight (A330) but this meant a 6h layover at AMS before our seconf leg so we requested to be booked on AF and it worked.
The flight was pretty full, excellent service, but the 747-400 starts to be outdated... no PTV. I did not complain, the flight was short and a night service but during the day I would be bothered.
25 LACA773: This must be upsetting for the OW elites seeing BOS-LHR go to a 75L! If this ATI does get approved will BA most likely take over BOS-LHR by adding an
26 Viscount724: As far as I can tell, DL only has 2 daily flights JFK-LHR.
27 MAH4546: Yes, they will. When AA/BA have ATI, AA will use 75Ls - of which they have plenty currently being used on short-haul from Miami since there is no pla
28 WorldTraveler: silver is a very lovely color. there. correct....but it is doubtful that AA will add a bunch of 757s to LHR; the only way they could do that is to re
29 MAH4546: British Airways and American Airlines will likely mix slots just like Delta mixes Air France slots. The difference will be that AA will likely be able
30 Sxf24: I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying that BA will cut Paris service to allow AA to operate an increased number of slots?
31 Tommy767: Yeah its been rumored on a.net since like '06 that AA will add MIA-MXP and it STILL hasn't happened. Its a good idea but what exactly is the timetabl
32 MAH4546: It still hasn't happened, but it will happen. It was as close as ever to happening this winter, but AA didn't want to launch it in this economy. Duri
33 SCL767: Not surprised, but I really do hope that AA will launch this service by next fall. That's why I have a feeling AA will launch MIA-BCN before MIA-MXP.
34 SESGDL: It has nothing to do with cash, there are a limited amount of slots at LHR so there would have to be a trade deal with an airline that already has th
37 PlanesNTrains: Well, my comment was a little more tongue-in-cheek, but nonetheless I thought that airlines could purchase slots from other carriers at LHR? If they
38 Bobnwa: When has DL expressed an interest in more LHR slots?
39 WorldTraveler: DL opened LHR stating that it wanted 3-4 flights/day each to ATL and JFK; that was before the NW acqusition but there is still very much a market (in
40 Incitatus: Airlines compete effectively with AA and BA at LHR. In particular, CO and Virgin compete to NY and Star Alliance competes effectively to the whole of
41 MAH4546: Delta, United, Continental and everybody else had their chance to argue against the AA/BA ATI alliance to DOT. And guess what? None of them did. They
42 WorldTraveler: No airline can compete effectively against AA/BA. Ironic that VIrgin is the strongest competitor to BA yet they are also the most outspoken. Thinking
43 MAH4546: I'll repeat what I said since some members don't seem to understand simple facts: Delta, United, Continental and everybody else had their chance to ar
44 Incitatus: Exactly. When times improve they can upgauge their flights and out-offer Delta. It is kind of the same logic Delta is applying to Brazil - conquer sp
45 LACA773: Incitatus, you mention DL starting and axing so many routes out of LHR. Where did you get this? Firstly, DL has only offered service from ATL & JFK f
46 MAH4546: DL-NW-AF are one airline between the U.S. and Heathrow. In addition to ending SEA, they also ended LAX and never started the third JFK frequency.
47 WorldTraveler: These airlines have filed objections in the past; because they haven't in the past 10 days doesn't mean they are any less inclined to support AA/BA.
48 Cws818: Of course the other carriers are not going to SUPPORT the AA/BA ATI application! However, they have chosen to not object to the application this time
49 Tommy767: Only a few each to IAH, EWR, CLE for CO and CLT and PHL for US.
50 PlanesNTrains: Now THAT is funny. I never said they did. -Dave
51 LACA773: Thannks for the reminder about AF's failed attempt on LAX-LHR. Forgot about that one. That's still not many routes and DL was smart not to start the
54 PlanesNTrains: Geez, Bob, I give you a little more credit than this, but ok: First, this was stated: To which I replied two questions: Notice LDVAviation made the s
55 ElmoTheHobo: Delta should have launched the flight with their own metal, rather than Air France flying it with a different product (3 class). To compete with Brit
56 LACA773: I feel if they add it, it will be again be on AF a/c since they do have PJY and will eventually have Y+ which will be in line with what BA, VS & NZ o
57 ElmoTheHobo: Air New Zealand doesn't run New York - London. Air France running one of the three flights would be great - for that one flight. Virgin, Continental,
58 LACA773: We were speaking about LAX ElmotheHobo.
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