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User currently offlineAfrikaskyes From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 141 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5819 times:

Maybe I'm making a big deal out of nothing, but has anyone else noticed the latest Southwest Airlines features rampers not wearing ear protection while filmed? These ads don't appear to be super imposed and look like they were filmed on an actual tarmac. Engines running or not, the FAA requires hearing protection on the ramp and when I was working for an airline, the violations were enforced with fines. Is this another example of the FAA and the cozy relationship it shares with Southwest Airlines?

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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5764 times:



Quoting Afrikaskyes (Thread starter):
Engines running or not, the FAA requires hearing protection on the ramp and when I was working for an airline, the violations were enforced with fines.

Which FAR was that?


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10396 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5753 times:

I can't say for sure, but I would think it's more of an OSHA requirement, not the FAA.


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User currently offlineWNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1457 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5649 times:

I think you're grasping at straws here... the FAA has nothing to do with an airlines' commercials. Not to mention, during filming of all but one scene, the engines are not running and there are no operational aircraft in the vicinity to warrant the wearing of hearing protection. In the final scene when there is actually an aircraft pushing back, their ear protection IS being worn.

and to answer your question, YES, you're making a big deal out of nothing.



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User currently offlineAirstud From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2659 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5628 times:



Quoting Afrikaskyes (Thread starter):
These ads don't appear to be super imposed and look like they were filmed on an actual tarmac.

How sure are you that they're not superimposed? The things they're doing today with digital imaging...



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User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5513 times:

I'm actually in the minority of people at MLI that actually wear their hearing protection on every flight, or at least about 98% of flights. I personally can't stand the engine and APU noise, but when they turn the APU off I take my ear plugs out. Most people don't even bother with them. That's their deal, and I personally don't care if they lose their hearing, but it's not really enforced, at least at my station.

User currently offlineN702ML From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5437 times:

I think the OP might find some serious OSHA violations in THIS commercial....lol....I would be more worried about this gal's hearing than the ramper's hearing!!!!

http://www.southwest.com/multimedia/PLANEOVR.MPG


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5334 times:



Quoting N702ML (Reply 6):
I think the OP might find some serious OSHA violations in THIS commercial....lol....I would be more worried about this gal's hearing than the ramper's hearing!!!!

IIRC, this early commercial was filmed at Waco (either ACT or CNW), and the young lass used in-the-ear foam earplugs, i.e. shooters plugs.

Quoting Afrikaskyes (Thread starter):
has anyone else noticed the latest Southwest Airlines features rampers not wearing ear protection while filmed?

Although they're not using the external over-the-head earmuff-type, they could be (as above) using the in-the-ear foam-type earplugs. They don't all come in yellow or orange colors.

Quoting Afrikaskyes (Thread starter):
Engines running or not, the FAA requires hearing protection on the ramp and when I was working for an airline, the violations were enforced with fines

Unless you can cite a specific FAR that I've missed or am unfamilar with, I'm going to presume that ear protection isn't an FAA requirement, but an OSHA one, since OSHA has limits published for noise in the workplace, i.e. any workplace.

Quoting Afrikaskyes (Thread starter):
Is this another example of the FAA and the cozy relationship it shares with Southwest Airlines?

Due to the likelihood of it being an OSHA requirement versus an FAA requirement, I think your assumed theory is then a moot point/issue.

Quoting Afrikaskyes (Thread starter):
Maybe I'm making a big deal out of nothing,

Yes, I think you are....

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User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6564 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5327 times:



Quoting N702ML (Reply 6):
I think the OP might find some serious OSHA violations in THIS commercial....lol....I would be more worried about this gal's hearing than the ramper's hearing!!!!

http://www.southwest.com/multimedia/...R.MPG

One of the best airline commercials of all time, in my humble opinion. It makes me miss the -200's.


User currently offlineContrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4768 times:

What pisses me off and this is true is the that WN ramp agents dont have to wear steal toe boots or shoes while working on the ramp. Found this out while I did some work for B6 in FLL on the ramp and over on the next gate was WN ground crew sporting nice white Nike's. Ask the guy what the deal was he said they don't make them wear them. Why am I bringing this up? Because wearing steel toe sucks. Very uncomfortable and they get away with it even though OSHA mandates that we wear them on the ramp. Oh yeah, ITS JUST A COMMERCIAL. LOL


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User currently offlineCrjflyer35 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 668 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4385 times:



Quoting Contrails15 (Reply 9):
What pisses me off and this is true is the that WN ramp agents dont have to wear steal toe boots or shoes while working on the ramp. Found this out while I did some work for B6 in FLL on the ramp and over on the next gate was WN ground crew sporting nice white Nike's. Ask the guy what the deal was he said they don't make them wear them. Why am I bringing this up? Because wearing steel toe sucks. Very uncomfortable and they get away with it even though OSHA mandates that we wear them on the ramp. Oh yeah, ITS JUST A COMMERCIAL. LOL

I work for US on the ramp in PHX and down't wear steel toes, they recommend them, but since the company isn't paying for them, they don't require their usage.



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User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4338 times:



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 7):
Although they're not using the external over-the-head earmuff-type, they could be (as above) using the in-the-ear foam-type earplugs. They don't all come in yellow or orange colors.



Quoting WNCrew (Reply 3):
Not to mention, during filming of all but one scene, the engines are not running and there are no operational aircraft in the vicinity to warrant the wearing of hearing protection.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9bkl-ci_UU

Not that I agree that this is a big deal, but you can clearly see the guys hearing protection is not being worn as it's around his neck, and there is an aircraft under power pulling up to the gate next to where he's driving... anyways, back to the Yankee game


User currently offlineSkyguyB727 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4321 times:

Quoting Afrikaskyes (Thread starter):
Engines running or not, the FAA requires hearing protection on the ramp and when I was working for an airline, the violations were enforced with fines.



Quoting Mayor (Reply 2):
I can't say for sure, but I would think it's more of an OSHA requirement, not the FAA.

Back in the mid-1990s, a regional airline I'll call "Calm Air" didn't provide hearing protection to its ramp agents. The president of the company said even the mainline carrier that "Calm Air" provided feed to didn't provide hearing protection to its employees. The man actually told me to my face that they didn't consider the ramp to be a high noise work environment.

[Edited 2009-10-11 17:46:10 by skyguyB727]

User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8234 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4263 times:



Quoting Contrails15 (Reply 9):
Very uncomfortable and they get away with it even though OSHA mandates that we wear them on the ramp.

Are you sure? We had to wear them when I worked at DAL, but my buddies at FedEx never had to, and the guys next door at SWA didn't either. I kinda doubt that steel toes are mandated by anything other than company policy. In fact, there's some pretty good arguments against wearing them!

And the FAA certainly doesn't care about what's in your ears on the ramp.



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User currently offlineJetfixr757 From Jamaica, joined Jan 2006, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4214 times:



Quoting Afrikaskyes (Thread starter):



Quoting Afrikaskyes (Thread starter):
Maybe I'm making a big deal out of nothing, but has anyone else noticed the latest Southwest Airlines features rampers not wearing ear protection while filmed? These ads don't appear to be super imposed and look like they were filmed on an actual tarmac. Engines running or not, the FAA requires hearing protection on the ramp and when I was working for an airline, the violations were enforced with fines. Is this another example of the FAA and the cozy relationship it shares with Southwest Airlines?

Dude, get a life and another airline job for crying out loud, have you nothing else to do it's a commercial probably filmed in a ramp with the loudest thing being the director yelling "action" or "cut"
Wow....
Jet


User currently offlineSkoker From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 439 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4093 times:



Quoting SkyguyB727 (Reply 12):
Back in the mid-1990s, a regional airline I'll call "Calm Air" didn't provide hearing protection to its ramp agents. The president of the company said even the mainline carrier that "Calm Air" provided feed to didn't provide hearing protection to its employees. The man actually told me to my face that they didn't consider the ramp to be a high noise work environment.

cough... "OH", I think I know who you're talking about.

and OH by the way they do now  Smile


User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4026 times:
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OH, I thought you meant Calm Air of Canada. lol jk


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User currently offline413x3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4016 times:

Give the kid a break, he is 20 years old max if his profile is correct. Later on in life hopefully people learn to "chill out" a little bit, although the bashing of a joke about the Hudson river captain made me think twice about that

User currently offlineRobINDYHP From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3885 times:

Hearing protection is required to be provided by the employer, but it is the employees job to use them. I don't wear mine all the time, just when the engines and apu are running, that is the benefit of using gate services like power and air.

User currently offlineGrain From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3773 times:

please post the osha guidelines about hearing protection and steel toed boots.

i wear no boots and only hearing protection when i need to. offices have more noise than the ramp when all engines and apu's are off.


User currently offlineRobINDYHP From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3696 times:

steel toed boots are not required by osha. The airlines that require them usually do that to a discount on insurance plans they get for their employees.

User currently offlineBeau222 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3664 times:

We were always required at our station to wear ear protection and steel toe boots. It was not an OSHA rule but a policy of the airline (DL) they did provide the hearing buds but did not compensate for the boots. The buds were always available in a box, it was never an issue unless an employee was abusing the perk, at that time it was asked for the employee to obtain there own or pitch in for new ones.

User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5598 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3558 times:



Quoting Afrikaskyes (Thread starter):
Maybe I'm making a big deal out of nothing

You are. Thanks for coming in.

Quoting Afrikaskyes (Thread starter):
Engines running or not, the FAA requires hearing protection on the ramp

This is not merely wrong; it is most likely an intentional distortion:

Quoting Afrikaskyes (Thread starter):
Is this another example of the FAA and the cozy relationship it shares with Southwest Airlines?

Ahhh... the true reason. Just another WN bashing thread.

Quoting N766UA (Reply 13):
I kinda doubt that steel toes are mandated by anything other than company policy.

This is true. AWA required them, but US doesn't, and most of us don't wear them.



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User currently offlineAntoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3498 times:



Quoting N766UA (Reply 13):
In fact, there's some pretty good arguments against wearing them!

Like not wanting to get ingrown toenails (no joke, I got them several times while wearing steel-toes... I learned that in steel-toes I need a size larger than I normally wear).

I always wore my hearing protection, didn't always wear the steel toes... I think at all the jobs I've had that required or recommended Steel toes I was far more worried about pinching/slicing my hand in the equipment than I was about getting my foot run over.



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User currently offlineT5towbar From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 548 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3449 times:

As far as wearing hearing protection, to each his own. Most people wear the in-ear type (there's boxes and boxes of those in the breakrooms). Some wear the reusable in-ear type. Others wear the muffs. It's a personal preference what you wear, but the company wants you to wear them when you are on the ramp. I always wear mine, especially when either the APU or an air start is running.

As far as steel toes......... if the company ain't buying 'em, I ain't wearin' 'em. Back in the day you had to wear them, but now, just a black or brown boot; shoe or sneaker (with black soles) are ok.



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25 Post contains images Silver1SWA : You have got to be kidding me. Are we really discussing this? The general perception around here of how things work, or should work is often a lot mor
26 Contrails15 : I work for B6 and have to wear them on the ramp. If we are found without them on we get sent home without pay. We were told by our safety department
27 Mayor : In my 33+ years at DL, they always compensated for the shoes AND the hearing protection, as well as rain gear, etc. You can actually find some pretty
28 SkyguyB727 : Mayor, I believe you more than the president of that feeder airline. To this day, I still can't imagine how that guy was able to keep a straight face
29 FLY2HMO : There isn't one. It's all OSHA.
30 LoneStarMike : If we're talking about the "Grab Your Bag - It's On" campaign, those commercials (including all airport scenes, outdoor city scenes and interior offi
31 IAD51FL : I never wore them except when operating a huffer cart. I don't feel safe when I can't hear whats going on around me. I can pick up the audio clues of
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