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Top 10 US Airports Most N/S Int'l Destinations?  
User currently offlineSt530 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 138 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8347 times:

I have often wondered what are the Top 10 US airports by non-stop international destinations (where multiple carrier service to the same international airport only counts once). I don't know where this info would be readily discernible. Also, airports like IAH with heavy Mexico service would probably rank higher on the list than they might deserve if we consider "international" to mean traditional long-haul (i.e., wide-body or internationally-configured single-aisle aircraft) destinations. Here's my pure guess at the Top 10 using the latter criteria (i.e., eliminating Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean):

1. JFK
2. LAX
3. MIA
4. SFO
5. ORD
6. ATL
7. IAD
8. BOS
9. IAH
10.DTW

Ok, let's find out how on or off I am!

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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8184 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8263 times:

International is International. Last I checked neither Mexico nor Canada were part of the United States. I don't think it's fair to exclude them. Why would you exclude Mexico and not the Caribbean? Miami-Vancouver is roughly the same distance as Boston-Ireland. They're both international routes so why would you exclude Canada? See my point?

User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1293 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8220 times:

Well IAH isn't "just Mexico" There is Frankfurt, London, Paris, Amsterdam, Moscow, Dubai, Tokyo, Doha, and Luanda (sched charter), Central America, South America, Carib, and several Canadian cities. I believe in pax numbers IAH's FIS is 8th On the pure list of destinations I don't know. But it would be interesting to see the actual list.


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User currently offlineBlr380 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8183 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 1):

I agree - even some domestic routes like LAX-BOS can be longer than several international ops elsewhere. If the question is reworded as "inter-continental" instead of international it would make more sense. Still, it will be interesting to see the top 10 airports with most inter-continental destinations.
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User currently onlineDualQual From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 753 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8005 times:

I think EWR would be on the list somewhere.

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7492 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7999 times:

I pretty sure DFW and EWR would be in the top 10.


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User currently offlineSt530 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7945 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 5):

Good point about EWR. I'm more skeptical about DFW in the scenario where Mex/Canada/Caribbean are not counted.


User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 945 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7883 times:

I wouldn't be surprised if you are right about JFK being number 1. I would say that EWR might even be in the top 5 with the amount of international destinations that CO offers from there.


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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7492 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7797 times:



Quoting St530 (Reply 6):
Good point about EWR. I'm more skeptical about DFW in the scenario where Mex/Canada/Caribbean are not counted.

But why would we discount those? They are international as well. Even so, I think DFW would have more than DTW.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16810 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7724 times:

Port Authority NY/NJ statistics;

JFK:
Domestic
49 cities with Jet service
14 Cities Regional airline only

International:
Canada 5
Canada exclusively Regional airline only 3
Central America 4
Mexico 2
Caribbean and Bermud 19
South America 10
Trans-Atlantic 55
Trans-Pacific 9

Total =170 cities having nonstop service from JFK

EWR
Domestic
49 Cities with Jet service
10 exclusively Regional Airline

International:
Canada 9
Central America 7
Mexico 4
Caribbean and Bermuda 13
South America 3
Trans-Atlantic 33
Trans-Pacific 8

Total = 136 Cities with nonstop service.



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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8184 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7716 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 8):
But why would we discount those? They are international as well. Even so, I think DFW would have more than DTW.

Not to mention that without Caribbean and Mexico, MIA would definitely not be in the top 3. In fact, I would be surprised if it even makes the top 10 given that is has no Asia service and limited European service, relatively speaking.


User currently offlineDartland From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 643 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7680 times:
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I just did a very quick review of wikipedia for order-of-magnitude --

JFK is clearly #1 w/ 60+
LAX and MIA each have ~30
IAH and DFW both with ~20-25

This is inter-continental ONLY, including central and south america, but NOT including mexico, canada, or the Caribbean. I tried to not include the 1-stop destinations, but since they're generally listed, I'm sure a bunch got in there especially for JFK where there are a lot.

If you add Mexico and the Caribbean, I believe MIA is the #2, followed by LAX, and then both IAH and DFW gain a lot from Mexico and Caribbean service.


User currently offlineSt530 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7557 times:



Quoting Airbazar (Reply 10):
Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 8):
But why would we discount those? They are international as well. Even so, I think DFW would have more than DTW.

Not to mention that without Caribbean and Mexico, MIA would definitely not be in the top 3. In fact, I would be surprised if it even makes the top 10 given that is has no Asia service and limited European service, relatively speaking.

No reason other than it was my initial criteria for coming up with the Top 10 (which, as some have pointed out, might better be termed intercontinental rather than international).

But you're right, DFW has it over DTW either way. PHL is probably above DTW too, according to Wiki, given US's significant TATL ops.


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8184 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7423 times:



Quoting Dartland (Reply 11):
JFK is clearly #1 w/ 60+
LAX and MIA each have ~30
IAH and DFW both with ~20-25

uh? According to the numbers in reply 9, EWR with 51 cities has LAX and MIA beat. Without Mexico and Caribbean there's no way that MIA and possibly even LAX are in the top 3. I still think it's silly to not include Caribbean/Mexico/Canada but if those are the rules, here's my top 5:
1. JFK
2. EWR
3. ATL
4. ORD
5. LAX


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6957 times:

MIA has service, including seasonal routes and excluding Cuba routes, to 81 international destinations.


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24786 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6518 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
MIA has service, including seasonal routes and excluding Cuba routes, to 81 international destinations.

Just curious what source did you use to come up with that number?


User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6495 times:



Quoting St530 (Thread starter):
Also, airports like IAH with heavy Mexico service would probably rank higher on the list than they might deserve if we consider "international" to mean traditional long-haul (i.e., wide-body or internationally-configured single-aisle aircraft) destinations. Here's my pure guess at the Top 10 using the latter criteria (i.e., eliminating Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean):

As noted in previous posts how do you exclude destinations that are clearly not U.S. locations such as Mexico, Canada, and the Caribbean (minus SJU)? If your survey is to have any merit you must include those locations, if not change the title of your thread!!!  banghead 



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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6767 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6492 times:



Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 16):
If your survey is to have any merit...

Yeah, too bad he initially misdescribed his thread. But now he's told us what he actually wants, and a thread about intercontinental routes has as much merit as any other. (How could it not?)

What we need is a paper OAG. Hopefully I'll get to the library tomorrow and check it.


User currently offlineSt530 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6459 times:



Quoting Timz (Reply 17):
f your survey is to have any merit...

Yeah, too bad he initially misdescribed his thread. But now he's told us what he actually wants, and a thread about intercontinental routes has as much merit as any other. (How could it not?)

Well, actually the thread starter is "Int'l" which could be an abbreviation for either international or intercontinental.  Smile

C'mon IAHFLYR, our airport is called "Intercontinental" because it has so more panache than "International", which qualifies any airport that may have one lonely route to Canada or Mexico.


User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6426 times:



Quoting St530 (Reply 18):
C'mon IAHFLYR, our airport is called "Intercontinental" because it has so more panache than "International", which qualifies any airport that may have one lonely route to Canada or Mexico.

How foolish of me to have not thought of that myself. Could have been the head start I got last night on rainwater rushing to my skull!!! Smile



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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6767 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6417 times:

In this post, "intercontinental" means everything except North and Central America, Hawaii, the Caribbean all the way down to Aruba-Curacao-Bonaire-Trinidad, and Bermuda.

In the 10/09 OAG, intercontinental nonstops out of both EWR and JFK to

AMS BCN PEK TXL BOG BRU DEL DUB DUS FRA
GVA HKG LIM LHR MAD MAN MXP BOM MUC CDG
ORY FCO GRU PVG SNN TLV NRT WAW ZRH

Out of JFK only

AUH ACC AMM ATH BUD EZE CAI CCS CMN DKR
DOH DXB GEO GYE HEL IST JED JNB IEV KWI
LHE LCY LYS AGP MDE SVO PSA PRG KEF RIX
GIG RUH SCL ICN VLC VCE VIE

Out of EWR only

BFS BHX BRS CPH EDI GLA HAM LIS OSL OPO
SIN ARN

It also shows "*GA9091" a nonstop 772 EWR-KUL, but that must be a mistake? MH 91 is a 1-stop 744.

The above list doesn't include any flights that are nonstop only on the flight to EWR/JFK-- I happened to notice TPE has a nonstop to EWR.

Now some out-of-date lists, from the 12/08 OAG. Same rules as above.

Chicago

AMM AMS PEK BRU CPH DEL DUB DUS FRA HKG
IST KRK LHR MAD MAN MXP DME MUC CDG FCO
GRU ICN PVG ARN NRT WAW ZRH

Atlanta

AMS BCN BOG BRU EZE CCS CPH DKR DXB DUB
DUS FRA GYE KWI LOS LIM LHR LGW MAD MAO
MAN MXP SVO BOM MUC CDG PRG UIO REC GIG
FCO SCL GRU ICN PVG ARN STR TLV NRT ZRH

DFW

AMS EZE CCS FRA LHR CDG SCL GRU ICN NRT

IAH

AMS BOG EZE CCS DXB FRA LIM LHR DME CDG
UIO GIG GRU NRT

Dulles

AMS PEK BOG BRU EZE CPH DOH DXB DUB FRA
JNB KWI LHR MAD SVO MUC CDG GIG FCO GRU
ICN NRT VIE ZRH

Miami

AMS BLA BAQ BHZ BOG EZE CLO CCS CTG DUS
FRA GYE LPB LIM LHR MAD MAO MAR MDE MVD
CDG POA UIO GIG FCO SSA SRZ SCL GRU ZRH

The OAG also shows a nonstop MIA-FOR on 26 Jan only.

Los Angeles

AMS APW AKL BKK PEK BOG BNE DXB FRA CAN
HKG LIM LHR MEL SVO MUC NAN KIX PPT CDG
RAR SCL GRU ICN PVG SIN SYD TPE TLV NRT
ZRH

San Francisco

AMS AKL PEK DXB DUB FRA HKG LHR MUC KIX
CDG ICN PVG SYD TPE NRT


User currently offlineAirstud From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2627 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6398 times:

Should SEA be looked at for possible eligibility in the top ten? Prolly has lots of Canadian routes as well as Asian ones, and I believe SK does a nonstop to Copenhagen from there.


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User currently offlineKU747 From Kuwait, joined Mar 2008, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6358 times:

Quoting Airstud (Reply 21):
and I believe SK does a nonstop to Copenhagen from there.

As well as BA daily nonstop to LHR.
Also LH nonstop to FRA.

[Edited 2009-10-10 16:36:11]


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24786 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6344 times:



Quoting Airstud (Reply 21):
Should SEA be looked at for possible eligibility in the top ten? Prolly has lots of Canadian routes as well as Asian ones, and I believe SK does a nonstop to Copenhagen from there.

SK terminated their unprofitable SEA-CPH service on July 31, 2009, after 42 years of service on the route.


User currently offlineDTWLAX From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 788 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6337 times:



Quoting Dartland (Reply 11):
This is inter-continental ONLY, including central and south america, but NOT including mexico, canada, or the Caribbean.

Central America is not a continent..... only North America and South America are continents.

Quoting St530 (Reply 12):
But you're right, DFW has it over DTW either way. PHL is probably above DTW too

DFW may just edge DTW but not sure if PHL does.
DTW probably has more Canada routes and certainly a couple Asia routes. I cannot think of any Asian destinations for PHL


25 747fan : PHL doesn't have any NS service to Asian destinations but certainly serves more destinations in Europe-US and a few of the foreign flag carriers cove
26 FlyIGuy : You missed DME, GVA, ADD, RUH & JED just my 0.02
27 SLCUT2777 : While hardly anything to talk about and likely never to be in the top 10, SLC has the following foreign non-stops requiring FIS desk work upon arrival
28 Viscount724 : Who operates YXE-SLC nonstop? I can find nothing in current schedules.
29 Nwafan20 : You missed FCO and AMM. DTW has transcontinental service to: CDG, LHR, AMS, FRA, FCO, AMM, PVG, MNL, NGO, and NRT.
30 LAXdude1023 : You left out MAD for DFW service.
31 Tommy767 : holy crap I forgot how many international destinations are served from JFK/EWR. they easily dominate the list!
32 MAH4546 : Delta will operate a very limited amount of service on this route for hunting season. I think the total is four or five flights. Sort of like those a
33 SESGDL : Wouldn't it be a good idea for someone to try to calculate some of the numbers so we can actually make a list instead of speculating? MAH4546 says MIA
34 BOStonsox : Here are the destinations from BOS: Canada- YHZ, YOW, YUL, YTZ, YYG (seasonal), YYZ Mexico/Caribbean- AUA, CUN, GCM (seasonal), MBJ, NAS, PLS, PUJ, SD
35 Drerx7 : You left out DOH and LAD for IAH list.
36 FlyingSicilian : I count 67 interNATIONAL destination for Houston IAH not counting the Singapore continuation of the SQ Moscow flight but counting the thrice weekly sc
37 LipeGIG : Missing CNF and REC in Brazil.
38 Timz : Dunno if they were in the 12/08 OAG (that library is closed today); you're batting .800 in the 10/09. Maybe so-- see below. There's a DOH nonstop now
39 Yeogeo : Missing AUH for Chicago yeo
40 SLCUT2777 : My bad, it went on seasonal hiatus at the end of last month. DLC (OO) is the operator.
41 FlyingSicilian : LAD is thrice weekly on World from IAH and has been for years but it is a scheduled charter.
42 Jetskipper : The IAH-LAD may be a scheduled charter, but I would say it doesn't count in this conversation because you can't purchase a ticket on the flight. It is
43 MAH4546 : The route has been discontinued except for some Sunday frequencies operating during October. In fact, I'm not even sure it even launched this summer.
44 Thomasphoto60 : Perhaps for the time being, however it is my understanding that when WA's contract with Sonair runs out next year and Atlas takes over the route (yes
45 FlyingSicilian : As noted that is most likely changing next year with the new contract. Getting a seat on the flight is not difficult (and it is not for execs but wor
46 Timz : I missed JED all right-- none of the others is in the 12/08 OAG I was looking at. GVA, DME, RUH and JED are in the 10/09. It's not in the 12/08, it i
47 Timz : More from the 10/09 OAG: ORD: same as reply 20 except add AUH, delete MXP, DME MIA: add TFN, and REC northward only, and change the BHZ code to CNF. D
48 St530 : So, to summarize, it looks like -- using the interCONTINENTAL criteria -- the Top 14 are more or less as follows (I used the ~ symbol because the numb
49 Njdevilsin03 : FLL is in the 30's I think in destination count....I think.
50 MAH4546 : Except FLL would soar past a few of them.
51 St530 : Interesting. According to Wiki, the interCONTINENTAL count for FLL would be 4 scheduled (Bogota, Cartagena, Lima, Medellin) and 6 charter (Copenhagen
52 OOSLC : A Canada flight you missed is XYC (operating on Wed,Sat,Sun) YXE was announced and never happened...and it's not on the schedule for the Sunday's in
53 LAXdude1023 : I know DFW serves 37 destinations internationally total. Not sure about IAH.
54 Post contains links Eightball : Once I saw the title of this thread, I remembered this article from Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busiest...raffic#By_international_passengers
55 Njdevilsin03 : I count Fifty for FLL. I think I got most of them. FLL would include the following (including Bahamas, Canada, US Territories): Aguadilla Andros Baham
56 St530 : Reply 36 says 67. Sounds about right.
57 St530 : " target=_blank>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busiest...ngers Seeing this list made me realize that no one has yet mentioned HNL. You could have a spi
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