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AF/KLM To Start Charging For Second Bag  
User currently offlineTomFoolery From Austria, joined Jan 2004, 528 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7211 times:

In an effort to attract customers, AF/KLM have announced that they will now charge for a second bag on US-European flights starting Nov 1 2009.

The first checked bag (up to 23 Kg) will be free, the second is € 50.

Exempt are silver/gold/plat Skyteam members.

Who's next?



edit: http://www.klm.com/travel/gb_en/abou...floatingnews/New_baggage_rules.htm

[Edited 2009-10-14 08:33:31 by Diamond]


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User currently offlineRobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7121 times:



Quoting TomFoolery (Thread starter):
In an effort to attract customers, AF/KLM have announced that they will now charge for a second bag on US-European flights starting Nov 1 2009.

I understand how such a measure could increase revenue, but I fail to see how it can attract new customers.

 Wink


User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7112 times:

I guess AF/KL are simply falling in line with what BA/VS and many of the US carriers are already doing. No doubt the Star carriers will be next.

User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5680 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7006 times:



Quoting Robffm2 (Reply 1):
but I fail to see how it can attract new customers

Perhaps it was meant as a sarcasm?


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6983 times:

Ups, 50€ is a lot. Does it include extra weight, then it would be fine?

User currently offlineEIJFK From Ireland, joined Jul 2008, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6941 times:

EI recently started that as well. I am a Gold Circle member and still had to pay for my second bag last time I flew long haul in August.

User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6321 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6896 times:

A lot of airlines such as BA and VS tend to charge more if the bags are booked at the airport while Aer Lingus seems to have a standard charge which doesn't change no matter when you book your second bags.

British Airways - £32 online or £40 at airport
Virgin Atlantic - £32 online or £40 at airport
Aer Lingus - £36/€40 online or at airport
AF/KLM - €50

Will the AF/KLM charge differ depending on when you book your bag, online or airport?


User currently offlineTomFoolery From Austria, joined Jan 2004, 528 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6849 times:



Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 3):
Perhaps it was meant as a sarcasm?

Indeed  Wink

This would be in line with DL/NW policy as well. As we remember, a lot of the service standards provided on NW and KLM complimented one another (TATL). DL and AF had a strong bond as well. Now, after some mergers, it seems that all 4 (actually 2) carriers will harmonize (or monopolize) their money generating tactics.

Tom



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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6849 times:



Quoting TomFoolery (Thread starter):
In an effort to attract customers

Just like the new Flying Blue rules were meant to attract customers  Yeah sure

Quoting TomFoolery (Thread starter):
the second is € 50.

That's quite expensive. I wonder when/if LH will follow.

Quoting TomFoolery (Thread starter):
Exempt are silver/gold/plat Skyteam members.

I'm glad I'm Gold then, also exempt from the emergency exit seat charge and IIRC also a lower charge for the new "Y+" with KLM... Ironically, these changes (downgrades, however you might want to call them) make it more appealing to be FB Silver/Gold/Platinum, if you fly them anyway that is...



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11418 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6825 times:
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Thanks for the info. Probably we will see more European airlines following this.

Quoting Kappel (Reply 8):
I'm glad I'm Gold then, also exempt from the emergency exit seat charge and IIRC also a lower charge for the new "Y+" with KLM... Ironically, these changes (downgrades, however you might want to call them) make it more appealing to be FB Silver/Gold/Platinum, if you fly them anyway that

More and more FF programs will begin to be a escape to fees than a way to get free tickets  Sad
They will not charge you for the 2nd bag, they will not charge you to reserve a seat.....



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User currently offlineTomFoolery From Austria, joined Jan 2004, 528 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6751 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 9):
More and more FF programs will begin to be a escape to fees than a way to get free tickets
They will not charge you for the 2nd bag, they will not charge you to reserve a seat.....

I can see the lowest elite tiers of the FF prgrams (normally silver) to start seeing more restrictions, and more fees.

I know that Delta has introduced Diamond, I can only imagine that this will eventually dull the luster of Silver and Gold Medallian to some extent. Back in the day, there was only silve and gold, offering all sorts of goodies. Now, gold doesnt even get you priority baggage handling anymore. I guess free is better than nothing (for now).

Tom



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7499 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6686 times:

My guess is since they have ATI with DL/NW (meaning they are virtually one airline across the Atlantic), they are trying to match DL/NW and have a uniform system.


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User currently offlineToltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6663 times:



Quoting Robffm2 (Reply 1):

I understand how such a measure could increase revenue, but I fail to see how it can attract new customers.

It's been proven that it doesn't push customers away. Both DL and CO held off on bag charges when AA started them over here. CO specifically said that they did not see any change in market share. So it must not be an issue....


User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6518 times:

Please note that this is on TATL flights only. The title is a little misleading because all other flights will not see this "fee". These fees seem to be the trend nowadays, glad I don't need most of them.

User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2176 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6482 times:



Quoting Kappel (Reply 8):
Quoting TomFoolery (Thread starter):
In an effort to attract customers

Just like the new Flying Blue rules were meant to attract customers Yeah sure

We all know that the new AF Y- is also meant to attract customers (closer to each other, at least), so why not also this. Then, they'll probably start charging for the first bag, why not?

Quoting Kappel (Reply 8):
That's quite expensive. I wonder when/if LH will follow.

If it works for BA and AF, i don't see why LH would not follow.



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User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2176 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6462 times:



Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 6):
Will the AF/KLM charge differ depending on when you book your bag, online or airport?

20% discount if purchased on line, as the website says (see quote below)
"you pay 20% less: all you need is a credit card"
Awesome!

This being said, they make no mention of AF and their plans on that page.



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User currently offlineNW From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 149 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5376 times:



Quoting TomFoolery (Thread starter):
Exempt are silver/gold/plat Skyteam members.

Where do you see SkyTeam, I only see Flying Blue?

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 11):
My guess is since they have ATI with DL/NW (meaning they are virtually one airline across the Atlantic), they are trying to match DL/NW and have a uniform system.

This joint venture is way behind what Northwest and KLM had before Air France and Delta got involved.


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5232 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5260 times:

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 13):
Please note that this is on TATL flights only. The title is a little misleading because all other flights will not see this "fee". These fees seem to be the trend nowadays, glad I don't need most of them.

True but that's also because most of the rest of the world already had a one-bag policy in place.

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 6):
Will the AF/KLM charge differ depending on when you book your bag, online or airport?

According to the press release you'll receive a 20% discount if you pre-pay online. So it looks like 40 euro prepay or 50 euro at the airport.

[Edited 2009-10-14 15:20:18]


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User currently offlineCrosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 698 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5229 times:



Quoting PHKLM (Reply 13):
Please note that this is on TATL flights only. The title is a little misleading because all other flights will not see this "fee". These fees seem to be the trend nowadays, glad I don't need most of them.

Actually it's only for flights to/from the USA. I'm not sure what the policy for flights to/from other parts of North/South America is. As someone said, this is probably being done to, more than anything, align with what DL/NW are already doing.


User currently offlineLYchemsa From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1169 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4814 times:

Great to know. I won't fly with them. Anyway AF fares to GVA from NYC are uncompetitive due to high taxes connecting in Paris.

KLM fares since the AF merger are also uncompetitive.

50 Euros is a rip off. BA I think charges $50. Air Canada so far does not and I am taking them this week.


User currently offlineMindscape From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4752 times:



Quoting LYchemsa (Reply 19):
50 Euros is a rip off. BA I think charges $50.

May be you should compare apples with apples.
From Europe you pay fees in Euros, like you pay Pounds from UK with BA, and as Shamrock350 said in a previous post:

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 6):
British Airways - £32 online or £40 at airport
Virgin Atlantic - £32 online or £40 at airport



User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5232 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4743 times:



Quoting LYchemsa (Reply 19):
50 Euros is a rip off. BA I think charges $50.

I'm sure that the price for those departing from the US will also be $50 not 50 euros.



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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3213 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4574 times:

Does this apply for India-Europe-USA/Canada tickets as well?


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User currently offlineTomFoolery From Austria, joined Jan 2004, 528 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4319 times:



Quoting NW (Reply 16):
Where do you see SkyTeam, I only see Flying Blue?

For those not familiar with the Sky Team program, if you are silver/gold/plat on one of the member airlines FFP's, that level translates to Sky Team as well.

Where there may be a signifigant difference between a member airline's benefits, and those of other's, exceptions will be made. For example, generally, lounge access is granted to Sky Team Gold and Plat, except for NW/DL Skymiles.

Basically if you are an elite member of Skymiles, Flying Blue, or whatever, you are also Sky Team Elite (of whatever tier you are) by default (so long as it is with a Sky Team partner). 6 or one-half dozen?

Tom



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User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2176 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4138 times:



Quoting LYchemsa (Reply 19):
Anyway AF fares to GVA from NYC are uncompetitive

Why would you need to connect through CDG when you can fly direct with 2 airlines, one in Star, one in (for now) SkyTeam?

Quoting OA412 (Reply 21):
I'm sure that the price for those departing from the US will also be $50 not 50 euros.

Correct

Quoting Nimish (Reply 22):
Does this apply for India-Europe-USA/Canada tickets as well?

This does NOT apply to flights to Canada to begin with. Not sure if coming from India through Europe, i assume the India-USA rules will apply.

By the way, is this a KLM policy, or a AF-KLM policy (AF+KL). Thread title and web announcement seem to differ....



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25 NW : I totally understand that. However, Delta does not exempt SkyTeam Elites from the second bag fee on US/EU flights, nor do they on the first or second
26 Mk777 : For example, pax on a flight from IAD-CDG-DEL on Nov 1st will have to pay the extra $50 for his/her 2nd bag irrespective of when he/she bought the tic
27 OA412 : I just received an email from AF confirming that they will begin charging for a 2nd bag on TATL flight effective 11/1 (1/11 for our European friends).
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