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AF/KLM Might Delay A380, B777 And B777F Deliveries  
User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4721 posts, RR: 39
Posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5548 times:
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According to www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl AF-KLM is thinking about delaying the delivery of the A380, the B777 and the B777-F.

The link top this article is in Dutch only: http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/news/?ID=32385

A section of the text says:

Quote:
'Air France-KLM overweegt uitstel levering toestellen'

14-10-2009

PARIJS - Air France-KLM overweegt de levering van vliegtuigen door de fabrikanten Boeing en Airbus uit te stellen. Dat meldde de Franse krant La Tribune woensdag (14 oktober). Het zou gaan om Airbus A380's en zowel de vracht- als passagiersversie van de Boeing 777.

Translation:

Quote:

'Air France-KLM thinks about delaying the delivery of airliners'

14-10-2009

PARIS - Air France-KLM is thinking about delaying the delivery of airliners from the manufacturers Boeing and Airbus. This is reported by the French Newspaper "La Tribune" on Wednesday (14 October). The airliners involved are the Airbus A380 and the cargo- and passenger-version of the Boeing 777.

The bad economic situation is blamed for this possible move. A spokesman for the airline declined to comment on this report. The first three A380's will be delivered as scheduled. The other ones could be delayed by AF-KLM.

Has anyone heard anything to confirm this?

Edit: sorry about the thread title being written in bold characters. I can not seem to edit this to normal characters.  Sad

[Edited 2009-10-14 06:53:43]

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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30852 posts, RR: 86
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5433 times:
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AF has already declared they are going to defer some of their later A380 deliveries, likely in part because they are keeping some of their 744s longer then planned. They also did not take delivery of the first 777F as planned (though there is debate as to whether they "rejected" it or just deferred delivery). And with the 744s sticking around longer than planned, that likely reduces the near-term need for the 77W, as well.

User currently onlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2418 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5425 times:



Quoting EPA001 (Thread starter):
Has anyone heard anything to confirm this?

Reuters picked it up, it says originally reported in La Tribune, so...

http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssI...UtilitiesNews/idUSLE11871920091014

Makes enough sense.

Quoting EPA001 (Thread starter):
Edit: sorry about the thread title being written in bold characters. I can not seem to edit this to normal characters.

It's only bold on your computer because you posted it.  Wink



oh boy!!!
User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4721 posts, RR: 39
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5390 times:
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Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 2):
It's only bold on your computer because you posted it.

Thanks, I did not know this since I have only started a thread twice.  Smile That explains the fact that it also was like this on my first post. Maybe I should have known better.  Wink

On-topic: this possible action would be too bad for all parties involved: AF-KLM, Airbus and Boeing. But the finance's at AF-KLM will drive this possible decision. How would both OEM's handle this? Are there damages to be payed or will it be part of a general understanding that such a delay is necessary for an important customer to stay out of financial troubles?


User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4694 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
AF has already declared they are going to defer some of their later A380 deliveries, likely in part because they are keeping some of their 744s longer then planned. They also did not take delivery of the first 777F as planned (though there is debate as to whether they "rejected" it or just deferred delivery). And with the 744s sticking around longer than planned, that likely reduces the near-term need for the 77W, as well.

I'm a little confused. I didn't know AF is replacing their 744s with 380s? They fly the 744 in a two class configuration JY, compared to the majority of their longhaul fleet which is in three-PJY, with the exception of the 343s. I thought the 380s were going on premium, high density, high yield markets eventually after the eventual c


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30852 posts, RR: 86
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4393 times:
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Quoting LACA773 (Reply 4):
I didn't know AF is replacing their 744s with 380s?

AF may not be now, ten years on, but did their 744s operate in a P/J/Y configuration when they placed their A380 order in July 2000?

The 77W had only just been granted Authority to Offer that March and AF did not place their initial order until November (assuming those 10 were an actual 77W order at the time and not a 77E order later converted to the 77W).


User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3946 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4306 times:

They've binned their 5th 777F as well. Was due to be line 834 but now cancelled and a Fedex 777F has taken its place.

R


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7409 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4284 times:

This is indeed really old news ...
AF has already delayed some B777F (only 2 were put in service in 2009 instead of the 5 planned), but also some B77W and A380 (after the third one).
So nothing really new here, at least on AF side ...


User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2159 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4050 times:

Are any 777s coming off the line that are actually being delivered? Will any airline move up to the front of the line, or is Boeing going to have to really slow things down?

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30852 posts, RR: 86
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4010 times:
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Quoting AF022 (Reply 8):
Are any 777s coming off the line that are actually being delivered?

Yes.

Quoting AF022 (Reply 8):
Will any airline move up to the front of the line, or is Boeing going to have to really slow things down?

Boeing is planning to reduce monthly 777 production from seven to five over the next 12 months or so.


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