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UA Launching PNS-IAD  
User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6606 posts, RR: 24
Posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3254 times:

It's already available on UA's website, but UA will launch PNS-IAD 2x daily using Mesa CRJ200's. Press release should be out later this afternoon. From the looks of it, there's also going to be ORD-PNS, but it's not totally clear.

I have mixed feelings about this launch. While I'm glad to have the new route, it may be too much capacity for UA to launch this, plus US which is supposed to launch DCA-PNS in the spring.

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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6606 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3068 times:

Here's the press release: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/United...ch-prnews-3389475633.html?x=0&.v=1

Service to ORD is seasonal and weekend only.


User currently offlinePensacolaguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 546 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2720 times:

Great to see PNS expanding. I do hope the ORD service is made year round. This is the first time United has ever serviced Pensacola. (Right?) A new airline for Pensacola.

I hope that the additional capacity is supported especially with the connection possibilities out of IAD. Washington D.C is a top O&D market for Pensacola and the region though.

Any more details on US Airways flights to DCA? (Schedule)


Lots of new flights announced so far:
AA to MIA
US to DCA
UA to IAD/ORD


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9353 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2706 times:



Quoting Pensacolaguy (Reply 2):

IMO PNS has a good chance of getting a flights on Delta to LGA once they do the slots swap.



yep.
User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1559 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2661 times:



Quoting Pensacolaguy (Reply 2):
Lots of new flights announced so far:
AA to MIA
US to DCA
UA to IAD/ORD



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 3):
IMO PNS has a good chance of getting a flights on Delta to LGA once they do the slots swap.

Is PNS traffic mostly military-related, given the air station, or is it just tourism that tends to drive the market? I ask because MIA, IAD, and ORD facilitate connections, DCA and LGA are not as conducive to this (although I guess you can connect at DCA if youre on US given the size of US ops there).


User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1540 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2641 times:

Also regarding UA, IAD, and Florida, UA will be launching Sat/Sun service IAD-RSW starting December 19th.


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User currently offlinePensacolaguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 546 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2585 times:

Apparently..

They are taking advantage of an incentive package passed in August giving airlines 200-thousand dollars for marketing and waving landing and terminal fees for two years.

Maybe this explains the increase in flights/routes..


User currently offlinePWMRamper From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 621 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2556 times:

Heh, my friend was just asking if United served PNS. Guess I can tell him yes now. New cities is never a bad thing!

Quoting FL787 (Reply 5):
Also regarding UA, IAD, and Florida, UA will be launching Sat/Sun service IAD-RSW starting December 19th.

Are you talking Mainline? Because Shuttle America already operates one E-170 a day to RSW, and Air Wisconsin ground operates for United Express there.

The Airbus 320 service is seasonal, but I thought it was daily during the winter.


User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1540 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2540 times:



Quoting PWMRamper (Reply 7):
Quoting FL787 (Reply 5):
Also regarding UA, IAD, and Florida, UA will be launching Sat/Sun service IAD-RSW starting December 19th.

Are you talking Mainline? Because Shuttle America already operates one E-170 a day to RSW, and Air Wisconsin ground operates for United Express there.

The Airbus 320 service is seasonal, but I thought it was daily during the winter.

UA is only serving RSW from ORD right now and it's never on mainline, only daily on S5. IAD-RSW is new (at least it hasn't operated in a few years) and is on S5.



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User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 982 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2519 times:

Reminds me of when UAX announced DAB in the past, they are doing the exact same start up schedule as DAB:

2x Daily DAB-IAD,
Seasonal Weekend only DAB-ORD.

Congrats to PNS! I think this is great! Could this maybe mean that domestic demand is improving as UA just opened a new domestic station in a small/medium sized market? Haven't seen that going on in a while for anyone.



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2864 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2485 times:



Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 9):

2x Daily DAB-IAD,
Seasonal Weekend only DAB-ORD.

This PNS deal sounds eerily familiar to the DAB arrangement. UA has never been very big in Florida, much less the Gulf Coast (outside of MSY). Now, we have seen other "new" southern stations like HSV and LIT succeed, so I suppose only time will tell, but I have my doubts...



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User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2286 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2447 times:

Good news for PNS, my other airport I use alot. I wonder if AA would consider bringing back its ORD flight?

User currently offlinePWMRamper From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 621 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2425 times:



Quoting FL787 (Reply 8):

UA is only serving RSW from ORD right now and it's never on mainline, only daily on S5. IAD-RSW is new (at least it hasn't operated in a few years) and is on S5.

My mistake, I don't know what I was thinking, haha.

Maybe it feels like IAD would be a more natural market compared to IAD.


My apologies for the dumb reply. =p


User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1540 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2313 times:



Quoting PWMRamper (Reply 12):

Well, I suppose I could let you off the hook this time... Just kidding no problem.  Smile



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User currently offlineF9fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 696 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2236 times:

I wonder where they will put them in terms of gate assignment and ticket counter space. I suspect they will take over NW's old spot now that DL took them over. Does that leave room for any other airlines to come in? I have heard of another one with the initials Southwest Airlines is rumored for PNS.

User currently offlineCatIII From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3029 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2126 times:



Quoting FlyPNS1 (Thread starter):
It's already available on UA's website, but UA will launch PNS-IAD 2x daily using Mesa CRJ200's.

Oof...that's a long time on a -200


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6606 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2007 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 10):
This PNS deal sounds eerily familiar to the DAB arrangement.

There are some similarities and I'm not sure if this route will work.

The stage length is relatively long for the CRJ and if fuel prices go higher, this route will likely suffer. Plus, if US adds DCA-PNS, then it may be too much capacity for the market.

Compared to DAB, PNS has a few things going for it. DAB suffers because of it's proximity to MCO/SFB. PNS doesn't really have that problem, in fact PNS actually benefits by taking some traffic from neighboring VPS/MOB. PNS has a more steady flow of gov't/military traffic, plus some leisure traffic which produces a traffic mix.

For comparison, FL didn't last long at DAB whereas they've served PNS for almost 8 years.

Quoting F9fan (Reply 14):
I suspect they will take over NW's old spot now that DL took them over.

I suspect you are right. Although with only two flights (three on weekends), they could really just let US or CO do all the handling. For gates, they will probably just park down at the end of the Concourse at the lower level boarding doors (gates 9 - 12).

Quoting F9fan (Reply 14):
Does that leave room for any other airlines to come in?

Gate 8 is open and IIRC Gate 1 will re-open once construction finishes next year on the next security screening checkpoint and inline baggage screening.

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 3):
IMO PNS has a good chance of getting a flights on Delta to LGA once they do the slots swap.

I've heard this from others, but not sure I believe it. It's a very long, thin RJ route, so I'm not sure it will last.

Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 9):
Could this maybe mean that domestic demand is improving as UA just opened a new domestic station in a small/medium sized market?

Maybe, but it also maybe just that UA has a lot of excess RJ capacity to throw around and is willing to try anything that offers incentives.


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9353 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1932 times:



Quoting LHCVG (Reply 4):
(although I guess you can connect at DCA if youre on US given the size of US ops there).

Once the slot swap is done DL will have a hub at LGA and US will have one at DCA

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 16):
I've heard this from others, but not sure I believe it. It's a very long, thin RJ route, so I'm not sure it will last.

I wouldn't think it would be on a CR2, My guess would be a CR7 or CR9.



yep.
User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 982 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1922 times:



Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 16):
For comparison, FL didn't last long at DAB whereas they've served PNS for almost 8 years.

Yes, but FL is in much better shape than UA as well. Not to mention that FL just screwed themselves at DAB with the excess ATL capacity that wasn't necessary. Had they kept DAB-BWI, that would have done the area very well, as their BWI flight had the highest loads of them all according to my sources.



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User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2286 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1739 times:



Quoting CatIII (Reply 15):
Quoting FlyPNS1 (Thread starter):
It's already available on UA's website, but UA will launch PNS-IAD 2x daily using Mesa CRJ200's.

Oof...that's a long time on a -200

NW used to have MSP-PNS on a CRJ, I took that once, and it was LONG!


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