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Why All The DL MD90s At MSP?  
User currently onlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1541 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8743 times:

What is DL's plan with moving a lot of MD90 flying to MSP? Does it have something to do with the mid-con range of the plane since it can do BOS/JFK/LGA-MSP and then continue on to MSP-LAX/SFO/SAN/etc.?

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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8892 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8733 times:

MD-90s can fly every domestic route out of MSP - the longest routes are about 1550 miles, which is very doable by the MD-90 (and even the MD-80s). The A319s/A320s have a fair bit more range, which would be more beneficial out of NYC/CVG/DTW/SLC/LAX/ATL eventually.

User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1686 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8526 times:



Quoting LHCVG (Thread starter):

Are these routes already loaded into the schedules and I'm missing them?



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User currently offlineMPDPilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8355 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 1):
MD-90s can fly every domestic route out of MSP - the longest routes are about 1550 miles, which is very doable by the MD-90 (and even the MD-80s). The A319s/A320s have a fair bit more range, which would be more beneficial out of NYC/CVG/DTW/SLC/LAX/ATL eventually.

This makes perfect sense. Now with that I have a couple questions. The question I have is about aircraft comfort. With the geographical position of MSP it would suggest that MD-80s and MD-90s would work best. Now I personally really enjoy the MDs but does anyone think that there will be people in MSP that will be unhappy with the change to a older (if only slightly) aircraft? Another question how much do you think things will change? I mean will we see a huge number of aircraft moved or just a handful?



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User currently offlineSeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5307 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 8246 times:



Quoting MPDPilot (Reply 3):
does anyone think that there will be people in MSP that will be unhappy with the change to a older (if only slightly) aircraft?

The number of flyers who would notice the difference is quite small. The number of people who would dislike the MD-90 enough to change ticket purchase decisions for short flights is vanishingly small, especially since the MD-90 is arguably a more comfortable aircraft for everyone but the passengers in the back few rows.


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8892 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 8205 times:

Considering that the MD-90s have IFE as well as easier access to the aisle for some passengers, it could be an improvement.

The big downside to the MD-90 versus the Airbuses is a narrower seat in both cabins and the smaller overhead bins.

As long as the Mad Dogs get up to 16F ASAP, then I'm happy.


User currently offlineMPDPilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8119 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 5):



Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 4):

Those are my thoughts just curious. I read something about the people of Portland rather upset with the change from 330 to 767 and I find both to be rather comfortable.



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User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3007 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8096 times:



Quoting MPDPilot (Reply 6):
I read something about the people of Portland rather upset with the change from 330 to 767 and I find both to be rather comfortable.

I would be too if they switched my flight from a nice new A330 to a ratty old 767.



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User currently offlineCatIII From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3029 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8034 times:



Quoting MPDPilot (Reply 6):
I read something about the people of Portland rather upset with the change from 330 to 767 and I find both to be rather comfortable.



Quoting Brons2 (Reply 7):
I would be too if they switched my flight from a nice new A330 to a ratty old 767.

They right sized the airplane for the route. The flip side to that is that they could pull out of the market...


User currently offlineRampguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7838 times:



Quoting CatIII (Reply 8):
They right sized the airplane for the route. The flip side to that is that they could pull out of the market...

Well NW clearly thought that the A-330 was the right sized a/c for this route. Right? Otherwise they would've put another a/c on this route i.e. 757-300.


User currently offlineLuckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7791 times:

The 757 either version cannot make it to Tokyo from Portland. The A330 was the smallest they had...

User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2992 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7748 times:



Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 2):

Are these routes already loaded into the schedules and I'm missing them?

Good question. Are there any concrete indications that DL plans to base MD-90s and MD-80s at MSP in the near future? I completely understand the logic of it--same way AA uses MD-80s out of DFW to pretty much anywhere in the continental US--but am wondering if this is just a rumor or if they've actually announced anything. I'm also still seeing A319/320s in the schedules on MSP-east coast routes for the foreseeable future, but of course that could change.



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User currently offlineSimairlinenet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 911 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7714 times:

For what it's worth, MD-90 aircraft engineering is now in MSP. My friend moved to that department.

User currently offlineSeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5307 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7682 times:



Quoting MPDPilot (Reply 6):

Those are my thoughts just curious. I read something about the people of Portland rather upset with the change from 330 to 767 and I find both to be rather comfortable.

No one except airplane nuts would have noticed the change from 330 to 767 if the 767 had PTVs with AVOD. That is the only reason people complained.


User currently offlineAirbuske From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 466 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7651 times:



Quoting Simairlinenet (Reply 12):
or what it's worth, MD-90 aircraft engineering is now in MSP.

And it's filled with folks from B787 engineering.  duck 


User currently offlineLuckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7617 times:

As a side note I'm due to have my first MD-90 flight in January!! wooo!

User currently offlineSkymiler From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7121 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 5):
The big downside to the MD-90 versus the Airbuses is a narrower seat in both cabins and the smaller overhead bins.

And the underseat storage in F is almost non-existant, due to IFE box. Can not even put a small briefcase there. Small overheads just make the problem worse.

Also, only 12 in F is a bit of a bear.



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9286 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7121 times:



Quoting LHCVG (Thread starter):

The idea is they are going to move the 32S to SLC and the M88/90/737 to the hubs that the 32S come from(or in the 737 case move them into Atlanta). MSP is the idea because you can pretty much hit anywhere with a M80 and in SLC you can pretty much hit anything with the 32S. Nothing will be moved till SOC is done. When this happens(If it happens now) they will have to open a 32S pilot base in SLC. I have been told that alot of the DL gates at SLC have 320 and 319 parking lines on them, something I haven't seen done in Atlanta so that could be a hint they are at least thinking about it.



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User currently offlineAcidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7065 times:
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Quoting MPDPilot (Reply 3):
Now I personally really enjoy the MDs but does anyone think that there will be people in MSP that will be unhappy with the change to a older (if only slightly) aircraft?

We ARE talking about MSP, land of the DC9 here  Wink



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User currently offlineWarreng24 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 707 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6829 times:



Quoting Rampguy (Reply 9):
Well NW clearly thought that the A-330 was the right sized a/c for this route. Right? Otherwise they would've put another a/c on this route i.e. 757-300.

Um. The 757-300 does not have the range to do PDX-NRT.

The A332 is the smallest aircraft in the NW fleet that has the range for PDX-NRT.

Now that DL is at the helm (of NW), the smallest aircraft in the combined NW/DL fleet (with the range for PDX-NRT) is the B767-300.


User currently offlineFghtngsiouxatc From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6778 times:



Quoting MPDPilot (Reply 3):
does anyone think that there will be people in MSP that will be unhappy with the change to a older (if only slightly) aircraft?

Acidradio said it perfectly. The MD-90 is an extremely quiet aircraft, even for those seated in the rear. The IAE engines are nothing like the JT8D's on the DC-9. Having flown the DC-9 often and the MD-90 recently, I can say those at MSP are going to appreciate the change. The only downsides (as mentioned) are the small overhead bins and the IFE boxes. The leather on the 2 aircraft I was on (912DN and 905DN) was quite worn and dirty, however.


User currently offlineXdlx From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6755 times:



Quoting Acidradio (Reply 18):

So you get DC-9 30/50 MD/88-90.... The entire family, Mr. Douglas would be proud!


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9286 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6618 times:



Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 11):
Good question. Are there any concrete indications that DL plans to base MD-90s and MD-80s at MSP in the near future? I completely understand the logic of it--same way AA uses MD-80s out of DFW to pretty much anywhere in the continental US--but am wondering if this is just a rumor or if they've actually announced anything. I'm also still seeing A319/320s in the schedules on MSP-east coast routes for the foreseeable future, but of course that could change.

I can't remember if it was in the post merger web report or not but if you believe in what the CEOs tell the pilots take a look on the airline pilot fourm, Lastest and greatest about Delta, 4 or 5 pages from the end(starts on 1600 IIRC).....You can see alot of good stuff.



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User currently offline727forever From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 793 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6499 times:



Quoting Brons2 (Reply 7):
I would be too if they switched my flight from a nice new A330 to a ratty old 767.

Well, not really on topic, but most of DL 767s are really not that old. Yes the domestic airplanes were built from 87-89, but most of the ERs were late 97-00 builds. Not new, but certainly newer than some of UA 777's, LH 747s, BA 747s, etc. A seat is a seat and doesn't know what kind of airplane it is on. Despite the fact that I fly the thing, I actually prefer the 2-3-2 seating in coach. The seats in front could really stand to be updated I agree.

I am hearing the same thing regarding the MD90s and A32S switching between MSP-SLC.

727forever



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22712 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6315 times:



Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 4):
The number of flyers who would notice the difference is quite small. The number of people who would dislike the MD-90 enough to change ticket purchase decisions for short flights is vanishingly small, especially since the MD-90 is arguably a more comfortable aircraft for everyone but the passengers in the back few rows.

This is an excellent point. Keep in mind, too, that most of the high-yielding passengers (F, Elites, and full-fare purchasers) will be in the front of the aircraft.



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25 Nwadtwfa : Airline execs tell pilots a lot of things, but Richard has been making the rounds to several FA training classes this week, saying the same few things
26 Surfdog75 : The -90s that have been purchased so far (3) are from Hello. Believe it or not they are looking at the Chinese -90s as a DC-9 replacement. Low aquisit
27 DeltaL1011man : This pretty much goes hand in hand to what they told the pilots. I would really like to see Delta do a deep refrub. on both the 763ERs and the 744s.
28 Alitalia744 : Slims and Avod is the word.
29 DeltaL1011man : Yea Delta really likes the Web. seats that are on the 737,763Ds. If what RA said is true that all aircraft 737 or larger are getting PTV/AVOD then i
30 DeltaRules : In coach, right? Not some upgrade in F only?
31 FoxBravo : Thanks guys--interesting info.
32 Bobnwa : Yes you did read it in A. net that some people were dissatisfied with the 767, but it ended up, this was a statement by one A net member, but he was
33 Alitalia744 : Wasn't there a recent article in a local PDX paper that had some of the comments re the A3 to 76 switch? While amenities in Y may be slightly less (l
34 DeltaL1011man : The all IIRC have PTVs and AVOD in J. The 767-300ERs and 747-400 lack PTVs in Y but do have LCDs(did NW put LCDs on the 744 or they still have CRTs?)
35 Post contains links and images OA412 : Excellent news. Looking forward to the announcement. Of course, it'll be sad to see the 'Delta sucks because they don't have PTV's in Y on the 763' t
36 MSPNWA : They still have CRTs/projectors. Kinda like stepping back in time I reckon. Any upgrade back there would be nice.
37 DeltaL1011man : I couldn't remember, IIRC UA just put LCDs on the 744s with the new F/J modds. IT would be really nice, assuming Delta will keep the 744s around for
38 Airbuske : -400's will most likely be getting handheld PTVs
39 DeltaL1011man : It's being looked at, but Delta does know this would be a true pain in the a** which is why they are looking into other things.
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