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CO Is Now Flying 757 300 W/winglets  
User currently offlineLetsgetwet From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 609 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12515 times:

http://www.coair.com/insidecoair/corpcomm/news/dnu/pdf/dnu.pdf

Continental is now the first carrier to fly the B757 300 with blended winglets!

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User currently offlineDotolohc From Taiwan, joined Jan 2007, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12505 times:

First certified CO 757-300 with blended winglets now flying

CO’s first Boeing 757-300 retrofitted with blended winglets – the first-ever 757-300 with winglets to fly commercially – is now in revenue service.

Aircraft 854 received the fuel-saving winglets in Indianapolis (IND) earlier this month. At press time, the airplane is flying from EWR to Los Angeles (LAX) as Flight 702.

Earlier this year, Aviation Partners Boeing (APB), a joint venture of Aviation Partners, Inc. and The Boeing Company, completed the world’s first blended 757-300 winglet installation on a CO Aircraft.

That aircraft was leased by CO to APB so the 757-300 series could be flight tested and certified by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).

“Our 757-300s have one of the lowest CASM in our narrowbody fleet, and installing winglets just made them that much more fuel-efficient and cost-effective,” said Technical Services Systems Engineer Jimmy Dutton. “When this project is completed, every Continental aircraft fleet type that currently has winglets available for retrofit will have the modification.”

CO currently has 17 Boeing 757-300s in the fleet and will receive four additional ex-ATA aircraft later this year. The aircraft will be reconfigured to CO’s specification prior to entering service. Aircraft 859 is currently at AAR and is scheduled to return to service late next week


User currently offlineFLY2TUS From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12085 times:



Quoting Letsgetwet (Thread starter):

Sorry dude, the DNU's aren't going to be available to the public lol.

But yes, I think the first one, Ship #851 has been flying for a little while now. I remember not too long ago when Boeing was flying it around TUS and it would park overnight here.



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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5639 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11878 times:



Quoting FLY2TUS (Reply 2):
Ship #851 has been flying for a little while now. I remember not too long ago when Boeing was flying it around TUS and it would park overnight here.

Read the article! 851 was the certification aircraft, yes, but 854 is the one in revenue service with them.


User currently offlineFLY2TUS From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 11642 times:

Ah yes, I missed that DNU. After I read it I'm wondering if 851, after being leased to APB, was returned with the winglets? (It's flying today IAH-LAX-IAH-MCO)


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User currently offlineFUN2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1000 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 11484 times:

Does anyone have any photos?

User currently offlineA340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1977 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 11213 times:



Quoting FLY2TUS (Reply 4):
Ah yes, I missed that DNU. After I read it I'm wondering if 851, after being leased to APB, was returned with the winglets? (It's flying today IAH-LAX-IAH-MCO)

851 had the winglets removed at LAX when APB returned the airplane to CO earlier this year

JSD



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User currently offlineFlyPBA From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 11028 times:



Quoting FUN2FLY (Reply 5):
Does anyone have any photos?

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/7/3/8/1485837.jpg


User currently offlineAvroArrow From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 1045 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 8848 times:

I like it. Its good to hear that they are getting more as well, it should mean that it'll be around in their fleet for some time. For some reason I've always liked the 300 version of the 757, although I couldn't tell you why its one of my favorites. Maybe its because the only times I've been on one I was on vacation.  Smile


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User currently offlinePHX Flyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 8789 times:

I'm wondering how much the winglets will improve the range of the 757-300 - enough for transatlantic flights?

User currently offlineL1011buff From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 8727 times:

Just wondering the same thing PHX Flyer. Will it now have the legs to do EWR to any UK spots or maybe even CLE?

User currently offlineStar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 8538 times:

There are zero plans to use this aircraft for transatlantic flights. The aircraft is not fitted out with a BF cabin for a start. Its advantage is in high-capacity domestic routes as it has an extremely low operating cost. The fitting of the winglets will help with this, rather than to give it range to make transatlantic trips.

User currently offlinePHX Flyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 8409 times:



Quoting Star_world (Reply 11):
There are zero plans to use this aircraft for transatlantic flights.

I appreciate your contribution. However, it does not answer my question. I am well aware, what Continental's current plans are. What I would like to know is, how much flexibility they have to CHANGE their plans, if the tide turns and CO sees more growth opportunity internationally than domestically.

The cabin lay out can be changed overnight (literally!). And trust me, when CO acquired the original B757-200 fleet, there were no plans to fly those across the pond.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 8324 times:



Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 9):
I'm wondering how much the winglets will improve the range of the 757-300 - enough for transatlantic flights?

Keep in mind that only the former ATA 757-300s are ETOPS rated, the nine delivered new to CO are not ETOPS. CO has 17 757-300s, nine were delivered new to CO and eight are former ATA birds. CO is adding the four remaining ATA 757-300s to their own fleet in January, CO will then have 21 757-300s of which 12 will be ETOPS.

There are rumors and speculation that CO will upgrade the nine 757-300s to ETOPs standards, until then I have strong doubts CO will go long haul International to Europe or even to Hawaii with the 757-300. They would have to create separate sub fleets for the non ETOPs and the ETOPs 757-300s which would add to costs and create headaches, CO does not work with sub fleets.

Until such time as all CO 757-300s are ETOPS, they will continue doing what they do best. EWR-Florida, EWR-LAS, CLE-LAS, IAH-LAX, IAH-LAS, IAH-MCO, IAH-SEA etc..



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User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 8324 times:



Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 9):
I'm wondering how much the winglets will improve the range of the 757-300 - enough for transatlantic flights

- Back when TZ was still flying, they flew their 753s transatlantic and they did not have winglets and AA flies their 752 transatlantic now.

- That is a good looking airplane though. I miss seeing them fly into and out of and parked at IND.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 8308 times:



Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 14):
- Back when TZ was still flying, they flew their 753s transatlantic and they did not have winglets

Those were military charters that made stops in places like Bangor etc..



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User currently offline777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 7729 times:



Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 12):
The cabin lay out can be changed overnight (literally!). And trust me, when CO acquired the original B757-200 fleet, there were no plans to fly those across the pond.

Incorrect. The CO 757-200 was in transatlantic service very soon after delivery, starting with EWR-MAN.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 7702 times:



Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 12):
when CO acquired the original B757-200 fleet, there were no plans to fly those across the pond.

Incorrect.

Again going back to what 777GK (former CO 757 Captain) just stated, CO (Bethune) all along planned to go International over the Atlantic with the 757-200 from EWR . CO took delivery of their first 757-200 in May 1994, in May 1995 (exactly one year to the date of their first delivery) they launched EWR-MAN with a daily 757-200.

Bethune a rated Boeing 757/767 pilot himself, and former head of the 737 / 757 production lines for Boeing knew exactly what the potential of the 757-200 was for CO when coupled with CO's EWR gateway hub. It was CO that lead the way with sending 757s across the Atlantic, their first route was EWR-MAN in May 1995. TWA, AA, DL, NWA, US have all followed suit.

One of my favorite CO ad's, "Imitation is the sincerest way to say we're better".



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User currently offlinePHX Flyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7437 times:



Quoting 777gk (Reply 16):


Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 12):
... And trust me, when CO acquired the original B757-200 fleet, there were no plans to fly those across the pond.

Incorrect. The CO 757-200 was in transatlantic service very soon after delivery, starting with EWR-MAN.



Quoting STT757 (Reply 17):
CO (Bethune) all along planned to go International over the Atlantic with the 757-200 from EWR . CO took delivery of their first 757-200 in May 1994, in May 1995 (exactly one year to the date of their first delivery) they launched EWR-MAN with a daily 757-200.

Hm, Bethune did not order the B757-200; Bob Ferguson did. The order was announced in May 1993, one year before Bethune took over. It was meant to replace the domestic DC-10-10, which had reached retirement age at that time. For long haul, Continental had still 40 A330 on order back then.

Like I said myself, Plans can change quickly, and with Bethune they did.
Now, all I wanted to know, if it was FEASIBLE to use the 757-300 with winglets on TA routes viably, that is, w/o refueling stops and significant payload penalties - not whether Continental will actually do it. Unfortunately, five replies later, nobody has been willing or able to answer that question.


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8204 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7424 times:



Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 18):
Unfortunately, five replies later, nobody has been willing or able to answer that question.

Consider the body of experience. The 757-300 WL is a brand new bird so few people (including the old salts) outside CO and APB would know enough to be able to answer.

It's more fruitful to argue that in fact, there is no reason why they would fly the 753 over Atlantic. The small number of destinations (UK only?) suggest they would have to partial out the 753 into international and domestic fleets. With only 20 or so aircraft that's too small a fleet for that to make any sense.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16694 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7368 times:



Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 18):
Unfortunately, five replies later, nobody has been willing or able to answer that question.

Did you miss the part about the lack of ETOPs on 9 of the aircraft?..



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User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7284 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 20):
Did you miss the part about the lack of ETOPs on 9 of the aircraft?..

I don't think that's what he's after STT757... I think all he's asking is: do the new winglets increase the range enough so the 753 CAN fly transat non-stop... assuming ETOPS.



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User currently offlineCARST From Germany, joined Jul 2006, 800 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7253 times:

According to the website of Aviation Partners Boeing the 752 gained some 200-250nm with blended winglets.

If we expect the 753 to have similar gains it doesn't become the new TATL aircraft, the winglets will just save CO more than a million liters of fuel per year and aircraft.


User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1448 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7211 times:

Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 9):
I'm wondering how much the winglets will improve the range of the 757-300 - enough for transatlantic flights?

I do not have any exact numbers, but it does similar to the -200.

We (ATA) had talks with APB back in 2007 on the 753 winglet program and one of the proposed routes for it was LAS-HNL which we wanted to be able to do without weight restrictions though the standard aircraft already had the range to do so. One of the problems I recall that we had to justify the mod cost, even though there were obvious operating advantages and savings, was that out 753 fleet did not fly on many standard routings as it was primarily used for charters.

Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 12):
The cabin lay out can be changed overnight (literally!)

This can only be done if you already have an STC to do so.

[Edited 2009-10-16 09:01:33]

[Edited 2009-10-16 09:21:16]


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User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5215 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7184 times:



Quoting Flighty (Reply 19):
The small number of destinations (UK only?)

UK and Ireland is probably correct. The nominal range of the 753, per Boeing, is 3395nm (a little less with RR engines?); if we assume a 5% improvement from the winglets, that is 3565nm. LHR-EWR is 3011nm.



Consilivm: Cave ne nothi te vexant
25 ERAUgrad02 : I think it's awesome that APB decided to add the winglets to a niche airplane like the 757-300 which further has me ponder as to why APB will not do
26 Yellowtail : APB must be making a fortune, for now......though there business plan is in jeopardy as the new airliners take advantage of new wingtip techonolgy
27 Mbm3 : Perhaps with new aircraft they may not have a lot of business, but there are a ton of "used" aircraft than can and should be retrofitted with winglet
28 LY777 : Anyway, the 753 with winglets looks fantastic!
29 SeaBosDca : There are not many of those types of 767s still in service with major airlines that can afford the capital investment of winglets. All but a few (the
30 ERAUgrad02 : Makes complete sense. Thank you for Weighing in as I thought my Question had been overlooked..lol. Desmond in ILM,
31 MogandoCI : maybe someone has asked this already, but does ETOPS+winglets enable these 753 to be efficient for Hawaii and TATL routes? Okay, i agree it'll totally
32 Lightsaber : PHX is waiting on TATL. I suspect the range will not be sufficient, even for the UK. But Hawaii... Low CASM hauler is perfect. 100% agree. In a way,
33 IAHERJ : The 757-300 with the winglets will have the range to do the UK from EWR. People with more knowledge on CAL's service standards will have many argument
34 FUN2FLY : Right on. Would be a hit for extra summer capacity. 753 is the perfect bird for lower yeild LAX>HNL and EWR to DUB. Seems doubtful that CO will do so
35 Drerx7 : I can't understand why CO will not fly this bird on that route. I understand that only the ex-TZ birds are ETOPS and that would entail CO operating a
36 Viscount724 : I believe Boeing is adding winglets as part of its new bid for the KC-767 tanker which is competing with the A330-200-based equivalent for the USAF K
37 AznMadSci : The 76H can be easily subbed in for a 764 depending on BF and have done routes from GUM to MAD. They're the same type of plane, just have 2 different
38 SeaBosDca : My understanding is that the KC-767 would be spawned from an entirely new variant of the 767, the "767-200LRF." Such a bird might or might not be off
39 Crucianpilot : The FAA would not sign off on a mixed fleet of ETOP/non-ETOPS A/C. So as long as we don't plan on upgrading the 9 non etops birds, they won't be used
40 LACA773 : PHX Flyer, CO had a placed an order for 340-200s not 330s. The missions the 753s fly are very specialized and meant for high density, low yield, vaca
41 Drerx7 : Crucianpilot answered my question and I believe addressed your statement - unless they ETOPSify the whole 753 fleet then no Hawaii runs on them. Howe
42 Crucianpilot : I hope they do as well. That airplane would make a killing in that market. By the way, I flew 854 last week and had to do a double take on the walkaro
43 SeaBosDca : Something to think about... despite its monster presence in MCO, DL has chosen to continue using the NW 753 fleet on the West Coast-Hawaii runs. It re
44 ERAUgrad02 : What was the 757-300 made to replace anyway? Desmond in ILM,
45 Drerx7 : At Continental they essentially replaced the A300s.
46 ASE747 : hello, Any CO ops out there? I'm flying CO 187 MCO-IAH on Oct 30 any chance that 300 will have winglets? Thanks ASE747
47 STT757 : Even though there was almost a ten year gap between the A300s retirement and the introduction of the 757-300 to CO's fleet, the 757-300 is flying nea
48 Post contains images SeaBosDca : There were a lot of things it should have replaced, had it been available early enough. Domestic DC-10s (which it did replace at NW, since NW keeps a
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