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DL / NW Fleet Updates 10/16/09  
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7505 posts, RR: 28
Posted (4 years 9 months 1 day ago) and read 11804 times:

Heard through various sources, additional information has been told regarding some changes to the DL / NW fleet as integration continues to move forward.

Here's a summary of key points


DC-9:
-30/40's tenatively to be removed from service by end of year 2010.
-40's to be removed when they reach maximum cycles
-Some -30's may stay in service longer than 2010 should DL need additional capacity
- 50's to all get repainted, seat covers and wifi, will not be getting any further IFE

MD-88:
-Rear galley to be removed
-Seating to be increased to 150
-Some MD-88 flying will be based out of MSP starting in Spring 2010

MD-90:
-3 recently obtained MD-90's that are in storage to enter service in early 2010
- 1st aircraft recently left storage and is now in GSO getting mods
- New aircraft to get IFE and wifi installed prior to entering service
- Seating on newly obtained MD-90's to be 160 with slimline seats
- Existing aircraft will eventually be configured to 160

A319/A320:
- A319 seating will be increased from 124 to 132 (Speculation is removing 1 row of F, adding 2 rows of Y) going from 16/108 to 12/120
-Some A319/A320 flying to be based out of SLC starting in Spring 2010
- A319/A320 to get IFE (nothing more about what and when was provided)

757:
- NW 752 (5500's) to eventually be removed from service (no firm timeline was provided, speculation is still end of 2010)
- NW 752 (5600's) to have seating increased by 8 (2 F & 6 Y)

744:
- To remain in service (no additional detail on for how long, etc)
- 11-12 aircraft to be in scheduled service, 4-5 to be used for charters, military, mods)
- No additional information on interior mods, or IFE upgrades

IFE:
- "All mainline aircraft except for DC-9-50 and MD-88 will have IFE at every seat" was an exact quote from Anderson to the pilot's union
- Still no details regarding IFE plans for NW aircraft (A319, A320, 752, 753, 744)

Cross-fleeting:
- Some MD-88/MD-90 flying to be based out of MSP starting in Spring 2010
- Some A319/A320 flying to be based out of SLC starting in Spring 2010

Regional:
- More 50 seaters to be continually removed over the next several years

New aircraft:
- "No new aircraft orders for at least 5 years" quote from Anderson.
- Exception would be if they can work out a deal for the 2nd hand Chinese MD-90's, to make that transaction for additional cheap 2nd hand frames.


Enjoy...discuss.

[Edited 2009-10-16 10:13:27]

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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day ago) and read 11774 times:

Keeping the 744 fleet active is good news, DL is apparently weighing the cost of capital for new 77Ws against the higher operating costs of the 744. Also says DL expects to use the 744 in some fairly large markets where its large size makes sense on a year round basis.

It could also mean that DL's cap ex priorities on the terminal at JFK which can easily cost as much as a replacement for the 744s.

The DC9 position as flex capacity will remain w/ DL as it was w/ NW, although at a lower number of a/c.

The big question is what DL is doing w/ the 787 orders... they probably do have some contractual rights to cancel but Boeing clearly doesn't want that... perhaps DL is waiting for a firm EIS date before making a decision but the 788 seems pretty unlikely.

Any word on the 330 performance improvement package? That seems to me to be a high priority mod that DL would want to do - it makes the 330 a far more capable transpac a/c.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10332 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day ago) and read 11744 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
New aircraft:
- "No new aircraft orders for at least 5 years" quote from Anderson.

Although it isn't a NEW order, I wonder what this does to the pending order for the 787?



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User currently offlineC767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 882 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day ago) and read 11705 times:

What does this mean for paint on the DC-9-30/40’s and 5500 757s? If they are leaving the fleet, why paint them?

I am also curious what happens when they get the SOC, can they continue to operate everything as they are now? Aircraft in NW paint just have a sticker added “operated by Delta” on them or would they do stickers like they did with Western?


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7526 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day ago) and read 11624 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
30/40's tenatively to be removed from service by end of year 2010

I wish there was a DISLIKE button, long live the DC-9

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
A319 seating will be increased from 124 to 132 (Speculation is removing 1 row of F, adding 2 rows of Y) going from 16/108 to 12/120

I really don't like this... a major selling point for many worldperks members was having a minimum of 16 FC seats on all mainline flights.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
A319/A320 to get IFE (nothing more about what and when was provided)

This was expected, but I only have to wonder how much this will hamper range on the planes. I also wish Delta went with DirecTV instead of Dish Network which has never worked on any of my Delta flights that had Dish.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
NW 752 (5600's) to have seating increased by 8 (2 F & 6 Y)

I'm not sure I like this, the 757 is already packed, while the additional first will be welcome to everyone another row in Y gives me chills.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
To remain in service (no additional detail on for how long, etc)

excellent, the 744 is a great plane.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
More 50 seaters to be continually removed over the next several years




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User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day ago) and read 11588 times:

They should keep the 747 until the A380 is ordered.  Wink


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User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6424 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day ago) and read 11579 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
IFE:
- "All mainline aircraft except for DC-9-50 and MD-88 will have IFE at every seat" was an exact quote from Anderson to the pilot's union

I hope this is really true. So, will we expect DL to install AVOD on the rest of the 752 and 738 fleets as well as the MD-90 fleet? If DL installs AVOD on the MD-90 they will be the first carrier in the world to have an AVOD system on any McD narrowbody.



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User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4896 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 23 hours ago) and read 11487 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
- 50's to all get repainted, seat covers and wifi, will not be getting any further IFE

Glad to see the Whiners staying, and getting WiFi! When do you think they'll start adding it?

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
Regional:
- More 50 seaters to be continually removed over the next several years

Fine with me. Ditch those Crappy Regional Jets!

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 4):
I wish there was a DISLIKE button, long live the DC-9

Amen.



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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5442 posts, RR: 29
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 23 hours ago) and read 11463 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
Cross-fleeting:
- Some MD-88/MD-90 flying to be based out of MSP starting in Spring 2010
- Some A319/A320 flying to be based out of SLC starting in Spring 2010

Just curious what the purpose is for the cross-fleeting. I'm not arguing for or against, but rather just wondering what the gain is in doing so. Airbus range out of SLC? Familiarization? Flexibility in fleet rotation?

I'm sure that those could all be reasons, but I just am curious if so.

-Dave



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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4019 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 23 hours ago) and read 11421 times:



Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 8):
Just curious what the purpose is for the cross-fleeting. I'm not arguing for or against, but rather just wondering what the gain is in doing so. Airbus range out of SLC? Familiarization? Flexibility in fleet rotation?

F9 has done quite well with A319/A320 out of DEN, so perhaps this is part of the rationalization for DL to try it out of SLC?



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9257 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 23 hours ago) and read 11411 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
- "No new aircraft orders for at least 5 years"

No new large aircraft order. They have some money in the budget for more 90s and more 77Ls. They can/may add 777s the way they have ordered them before, 1 here 2 there etc. At least thats what they told the pilots.
Also All the 90s in China have backing at this point. Delta will add as needed.
At this point Delta has slack in every fleet to grow pretty good with out new airplanes.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 4):
This was expected, but I only have to wonder how much this will hamper range on the planes. I also wish Delta went with DirecTV instead of Dish Network which has never worked on any of my Delta flights that had Dish.

If Dish is free, then keep Dish. CO has Direc and it aint free.

Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 7):
Glad to see the Whiners staying, and getting WiFi! When do you think they'll start adding it?

Both the DC9 and 757s should be getting the ok to add any time now.
757-200 Critical Design Review scheduled for 9/22 in MSP.
DC9 Critical Design Review scheduled for 10/8 in MSP.

FYI I have seen the 319 in Atlanta but haven't seen the 320 yet. The 753 wil get it next month. They have have to get the ok from the FAA, then they start adding it to the fleets.

Something eles that was said was that all the aircraft that can get winglets will get them. I assume this means we will see alot more 757 winglets and 767 winglets.

[Edited 2009-10-16 11:28:21 by deltaL1011man]


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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9257 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 23 hours ago) and read 11388 times:



Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 8):
Just curious what the purpose is for the cross-fleeting. I'm not arguing for or against, but rather just wondering what the gain is in doing so. Airbus range out of SLC? Familiarization? Flexibility in fleet rotation?

easy.
88s/90s out of MSP can pretty much reach anywhere in the US. Same for the 32S out of SLC. While the 32S can hit anything out of MSP the 88/90s can't out of SLC. If they move it around they can move the 737s out of SLC to ATL to get 88s to run out of MSP.



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7505 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 23 hours ago) and read 11326 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 1):
Keeping the 744 fleet active is good news, DL is apparently weighing the cost of capital for new 77Ws against the higher operating costs of the 744. Also says DL expects to use the 744 in some fairly large markets where its large size makes sense on a year round basis.

It could also mean that DL's cap ex priorities on the terminal at JFK which can easily cost as much as a replacement for the 744s.

Bingo. While the 744 is not the most operationally efficient aircraft, the cost of new aircraft at this point could be a huge burden, along with all of the other capital expenditures on the horizon.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 1):
The DC9 position as flex capacity will remain w/ DL as it was w/ NW, although at a lower number of a/c.

Yep. Realistically, when push comes to shove next year I expect we will see DC-9-30's beyond the end of 2010. Since the -50's are still going to be around for a while, keeping -30's that haven't reached max. cylces doesn't really impact much. They will likely just phase out the remaining -30's as cycles and maintenance requires. They'll probably just keep what they've got afterwards doing the short hops out of DTW/MSP without any additional investment in paint/interiors until its time to put them out to pasture.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 1):
The big question is what DL is doing w/ the 787 orders... they probably do have some contractual rights to cancel but Boeing clearly doesn't want that... perhaps DL is waiting for a firm EIS date before making a decision but the 788 seems pretty unlikely.

Yep, interestingly everything is very, very quiet on the DL 787 situation these days and there are no comments coming out about anything. Not sure what that means good or bad...

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 1):
Any word on the 330 performance improvement package? That seems to me to be a high priority mod that DL would want to do - it makes the 330 a far more capable transpac a/c.

Have not heard anything about this and where it fits in the priority of other projects. Doubt we will heard more until after SOC with everything else going on these days.

Quoting C767P (Reply 3):
What does this mean for paint on the DC-9-30/40’s and 5500 757s? If they are leaving the fleet, why paint them?

I am also curious what happens when they get the SOC, can they continue to operate everything as they are now? Aircraft in NW paint just have a sticker added “operated by Delta”

They are not painting any DC-9 -30/40s or 757 5500's into DL colors. They will wear NWA colors until they leave the fleet. They will use stickers that say 'Operated by Delta', similar to how the NW aircraft in DL colors today say 'Operated by Northwest' by the tail. Those aircraft are going to be DTW/MSP/MEM based anyways.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 4):
I really don't like this... a major selling point for many worldperks members was having a minimum of 16 FC seats on all mainline flights.

Well considering that the CR9, E75's, and 73G's all have 12 F seats, while its not going to be welcomed, its not unheard of. I think this will be mitigated though by the usage of the future fleet. With MD-88's and -90's moving to MSP, and Airbus going to SLC it may not be that noticable. It sounds like the A319's may be used more for leisure routes, like the Northeast-Florida flying where they are being used today. The additional 8 seats improves the economics on routes like LGA-TPA, LGA-RSW better. I think you will see DL backfill some of the traditional Elite heavy A319 routes with DC-9-50's, MD-88's, and MD-90's which will have 16 seats.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 4):
I'm not sure I like this, the 757 is already packed, while the additional first will be welcome to everyone another row in Y gives me chills.

Yeah, I have no idea how they plan to get another row into Y on those 757's either.

Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 7):
Glad to see the Whiners staying, and getting WiFi! When do you think they'll start adding it?

The first A319 wifi prototype was recently installed, but isn't in service yet. DC-9-50 prototype will happen before the end of the year, with the bulk of the installations occuring in the first half of 2010.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 8):
Just curious what the purpose is for the cross-fleeting. I'm not arguing for or against, but rather just wondering what the gain is in doing so. Airbus range out of SLC? Familiarization? Flexibility in fleet rotation?

Better use of the range/economics from Midwest/East Coast to SLC. The MD-88 and MD-90 can reach almost every 150 seat market out of MSP. They will open a pilot base for the Airbus in SLC, but a number of guys may jump at this as there are several West Coast Airbus commuters who would welcome an easier commute to base.


User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6424 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 23 hours ago) and read 11309 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 12):
With MD-88's and -90's moving to MSP, and Airbus going to SLC it may not be that noticable.

So, I am guessing that some of the 738s that are currently based at SLC might also be moved to ATL?



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 23 hours ago) and read 11248 times:



Quoting C767P (Reply 3):
I am also curious what happens when they get the SOC, can they continue to operate everything as they are now? Aircraft in NW paint just have a sticker added “operated by Delta” on them or would they do stickers like they did with Western?

DL operated Pan Am a/c on the day of the acquisition in full PA colors with a sticker by the door and that lasted for months.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 4):
I'm not sure I like this, the 757 is already packed, while the additional first will be welcome to everyone another row in Y gives me chills.



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 4):
I really don't like this... a major selling point for many worldperks members was having a minimum of 16 FC seats on all mainline flights.

most of the ability to add seats comes from using slimmer, newer model seats. In many cases, the passenger space is not affected and sometimes better. Also, newer seats are sometimes necessary to handle IFE.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 8):
Just curious what the purpose is for the cross-fleeting. I'm not arguing for or against, but rather just wondering what the gain is in doing so. Airbus range out of SLC? Familiarization? Flexibility in fleet rotation?

Also, the 320/19 has a better high/hot performance / range profile than the 88s and 90s. MSP is cooler and lower so those characteristics on the 320/19 are not needed as much.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 12):
Yep, interestingly everything is very, very quiet on the DL 787 situation these days and there are no comments coming out about anything. Not sure what that means good or bad...

DL has technically said that Boeing has breached the contract by faililng to deliver on time. Obviously DL wants to play hardball but that doesn't mean they are going to take any planes they really don't want. The 787 has far less importance to DL than it did to NW when NW ordered it.


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9257 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 23 hours ago) and read 11241 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 12):
Yep, interestingly everything is very, very quiet on the DL 787 situation these days and there are no comments coming out about anything. Not sure what that means good or bad...

At the pilot meeting RA said he had heard anything from Boeing about the 787 since 2008, While I'm sure someone at Delta and someone at Boeing are talking, doesn't seem like Anderson is to much in the know about it.......which worrys me a bit.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 12):
Yeah, I have no idea how they plan to get another row into Y on those 757's either.

If they add the seats that they are putting on the M88/M90 and are on the 737,75E,76D,77L then i could see how they can fit and extra row.



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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10601 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 23 hours ago) and read 11222 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Thread starter):
- "No new aircraft orders for at least 5 years" quote from Anderson.

= 90% no 77Ws for Delta. In 5 years time its likely the A350 will be the better choice - and/or Boeing has announced a 77W replacement (likely a 777NG).


User currently offlineDlcnxgptjax From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 353 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 23 hours ago) and read 11216 times:



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 12):
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 4):
I'm not sure I like this, the 757 is already packed, while the additional first will be welcome to everyone another row in Y gives me chills.

Yeah, I have no idea how they plan to get another row into Y on those 757's either.

I'm not sure if these 757's have the slimline seats or not, but perhaps they plan on installing those to get the extra space for the additional seats. That's how they were able to add more seats to the 738 fleet.


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9257 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 23 hours ago) and read 11198 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 14):
Also, newer seats are sometimes necessary to handle IFE.

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If Panasonic could get there s**t together we may see PTVs added with new seats.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 14):
DL operated Pan Am a/c on the day of the acquisition in full PA colors with a sticker by the door and that lasted for months.

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http://www.airliners.net/photo/Pan-A...-(Delta/Airbus-A310-324/1343722/M/
here is one you are talking about. PA's fleet wasnt as big as NWs so painting was done pretty quick. Plus they had a bumper stick paint job with an all while A/C with Delta and a widget just aft of the door.



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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 22 hours ago) and read 10796 times:

Good idea to move the M88/M90 to MSP. I wonder what exactly this means for DTW if they are planning on disposing of many of the '9's by the end of next year?

Also, side question how many 777LR does DL have currently and how many do they have on order? Are they still getting those orders? I believe they have 9 777ERs from earlier this decade correct?



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9257 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 21 hours ago) and read 10740 times:



Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 19):
Also, side question how many 777LR does DL have currently and how many do they have on order?

2

Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 19):
Are they still getting those orders?

yes

Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 19):
I believe they have 9 777ERs from earlier this decade correct?

they have 8 777-232ER and 8 777-232LR with two on order. 27 options for the 777 family. IIRC the next 4-5 have already been picked as 77Ls.



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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 21 hours ago) and read 10670 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 20):
they have 8 777-232ER and 8 777-232LR with two on order. 27 options for the 777 family. IIRC the next 4-5 have already been picked as 77Ls.

Thanks ! ! !



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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5442 posts, RR: 29
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 21 hours ago) and read 10631 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 11):
88s/90s out of MSP can pretty much reach anywhere in the US. Same for the 32S out of SLC. While the 32S can hit anything out of MSP the 88/90s can't out of SLC. If they move it around they can move the 737s out of SLC to ATL to get 88s to run out of MSP.



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 12):
Better use of the range/economics from Midwest/East Coast to SLC. The MD-88 and MD-90 can reach almost every 150 seat market out of MSP. They will open a pilot base for the Airbus in SLC, but a number of guys may jump at this as there are several West Coast Airbus commuters who would welcome an easier commute to base.



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 14):
Also, the 320/19 has a better high/hot performance / range profile than the 88s and 90s. MSP is cooler and lower so those characteristics on the 320/19 are not needed as much.

Thank you for the replies. That is all very logical, but my follow up question would be why then move the capable 738's to Atlanta versus keeping them in SLC? I'm not trying to dissect it too much, but it seems that if the idea is that you can reach the east coast with the Airbus, but you can also reach the east coast with the 738, what's the difference? More flixibility with the 19/20 combo? Keeping the 738's in ATL?

Just intrigues me a little, that's all. Nothing wrong with mixing it up.

-Dave



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9257 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 21 hours ago) and read 10601 times:



Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 22):
Thank you for the replies. That is all very logical, but my follow up question would be why then move the capable 738's to Atlanta versus keeping them in SLC? I'm not trying to dissect it too much, but it seems that if the idea is that you can reach the east coast with the Airbus, but you can also reach the east coast with the 738, what's the difference? More flixibility with the 19/20 combo? Keeping the 738's in ATL?

Moving 737s back to Atlanta is kinda like the same reason you move the 88s to MSP. The 737 can do alot more out of ATL than the 88 can. If you are going to move the 32S over to SLC you might as well make it pretty much the only NB in SLC. Plus its much more efficient to have the hub (SLC) most one type. Same thing for Atlanta......With them wanting to move more 88s up to NYC also (new LGA hub) they need replacements. (and no need open up more bases than needed.)



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User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6424 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 21 hours ago) and read 10573 times:

Also, with MD-88s being moved to MSP, I wonder if we could soon see the return of the 738 on the ABQ-ATL route.

The 738 would be a nice upgrade for the route, especially that Richard Anderson has stated that they will be installing PTVs on all mainline aircraft except for the MD-88s and DC-9-50s.

It would make sense to have IFE on such route. I know that the route usually gets some 752s from March-August, however, they are the ones with the overhead IFE. The route is over 3 hours, so I think it can warrant PTVs with AVOD and satellite TV. At the same time, DL can use an MD-90 on ABQ-MSP during the summer months.



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25 PlanesNTrains : But are there not Airbus narrowbodies based in ATL yet? If not, then I perfectly understand what you're saying. Maybe I should ask (if someone has th
26 Steex : I have no insider info, nor do I know how strictly they will do the separations of aircraft by hub, but it would presumably be an attempt to achieve
27 PlanesNTrains : I guess that was my point, too. I am thinking that the move of the MD's to MSP is a no-brainer. But if you already have the 737's at ATL/SLC and the
28 1337Delta764 : Actually, I think I have heard the A32x series have better hot-and-high performance than the 737NG, while the 737NG has a lower fuel burn. Perhaps th
29 Moek2000 : I wonder who guessed back in 1965 that the DC-9 would eventually get this thing called WiiFii?
30 Steex : Not obtuse at all! I think the key is that SOMETHING has to replace the M88/90 being removed from SLC. Given that they're taking away the Airbus narr
31 DeltaL1011man : No. Matter of fact Atlanta doesn't see any baby Buses anymore. All DAL-N hubs are on DAL-S aircraft. 32S bases are MSP/DTW/MEM. 737 bases are ATL/JFK
32 ERJ170 : So maybe this will be the catalyst to return service to RDU, BDL, etc that recently lost SLC service? The 738 was too much but the 319 might be just
33 1337Delta764 : I'd actually like to see mainline service return on ABQ-SLC. I know that DL had a 733 on the route before they were retired. Perhaps the A319 might w
34 PlanesNTrains : Thanks to all that posted - much appreciated! I guess that explains it pretty well, then. So the 32S bases become MSP/DTW/MEM/SLC and the 737 bases be
35 PSU.DTW.SCE : A few thoughts to add to the discussion above: -There currently is relatively little A319/A320 flying out of MEM anyways so it does not take many airc
36 SlcDeltaRUmd11 : When will delta put IFE on the Airbuses? They can be pretty boring for long flights
37 TZTriStar500 : A slim line seat does not in itself create room for another row as its mainly a slimmer seat back which gives the impression of greater leg room. How
38 1337Delta764 : Accroding to the quote from Richard Anderson, all mainline aircraft except for the MD-88s and DC-9-50s (and any aircraft being eliminated) should get
39 OA412 : One possibility could have to due with the rumored decreased in F class on the A319/A320. Perhaps the larger F-class cabin is not needed in SLC as mu
40 Post contains links and images Mayor : Not actually. The A-310s were painted all white (you could still see Pan Am under the white paint and the blue meatball on the tail) with the DL "bum
41 ATA1011TriStar : Can regional destinations in Wisconsin like CWA, ATW, and RHI start to think about getting service from airplanes bigger than the CRJ-200? Can DLH an
42 WorldTraveler : I was at JFK on cutover day.... Nov 1, 1991. Some of the aircraft had been "whitewashed", largely those that were not flying that day and the sticker
43 Transpac787 : The fences are only in place on the 16x 744's and the 16x current 777's in the fleet. If 744's were replaced with 777's, you are correct that they wo
44 Isitsafenow : I was going to say almost the same except insert 747-8I in place of A380. safe
45 NWA757300 : According to what people were told at the recent "Simply Velvet" event in FLL. The 744's are to recieve the lie flat seat (not clear on which type) i
46 ThegreatRDU : That's just common sense.... I'll be in GSO soon hopefully I can catch some..... I hope so...DL/NW insiders what do you think?
47 Isitsafenow : Flash Gordon....for the kiddies, he's not related to Jeff. safe
48 1337Delta764 : I'm guessing the 744s will get the Contour Solar Suites, as they will easily fit on them.
49 CokePopper : I can't believe it will soon be 18years. I was at JFK for a special assignment from 15Oct91-15jan92. We couldn't touch anything until midnight. Nov1
50 Brettdespain : No plans to do that. No such goal. Spring 2010 SLC will have 3 aircraft types based there: B-767/757, B-738, A-320/319. My understanding is that the
51 DLMD90 : So this would mean the MD90's are getting pvt's? hmm that would be very cool, but I wonder? Really glad to see more entering the fleet, caught one @
52 DeltaRules : What about CMH that ran for a while with MD-90s & ended up on a CR9? Would LOVE to get our SLC flight back & LAX, too... So that means PTVs on all 73
53 Post contains links PSU.DTW.SCE : Only the A319 is supposed to be reconfigured. The A320 is supposed to stay the same at 150 (16F/134Y) They want to improve economics on the shorter '
54 Transpac787 : Tsk tsk 16F 132Y
55 DLDTW1962 : Well this means I will be flying in First class alot more. I just got back for MSP and flew "Y" class and It was so cramped. I was flying on the B753'
56 DeltaL1011man : I hope alot of SLC routes come back and go to mainline. The 319 is the 733 replacement Delta never had. is that the 777 seat? really? Thats cool.....
57 Flavio340 : Does anyone have any info on when the 27 777 option slot come available from Boeing? I know they have two set for next year. Any info on 2011?
58 STT757 : I just had four trips on DL for business last month and the MD-88s and 757s I flew on were in terrible shape. The MD-88 and 757 fleet will have reach
59 1337Delta764 : Yes, it is the 777 BusinessElite seat. I am guessing that all international 767s and A330s will eventually get the Thompson Vantage seats, while the
60 Evan767 : If they're going to go ahead and take the trouble of putting slimline seats in, I wouldn't be surprised at all if they put slimline seats with PTVs p
61 Bevisisback : I know I will offend a few DC-9 lovers but here goes... Doesn't anyone think its pretty appaling that DL have chosen to continue flying 30+ year old D
62 STT757 : They're going to be flying 30 year old MD-88s and 757s pretty soon too, the bulk of their mainline domestic fleet is going to be 30 years old in the
63 DeltaL1011man : No, if they work why park them? Some airlines are trying to pay off the bills before they add to it.
64 LACA773 : DL likes to run their birds to they can't fly anymore due to many mechanicals occuring once certain fleets get long in the tooth (i.e., L15s). I was o
65 OA412 : First off, you're ignoring the fact that while some of the 757s will be approaching 30 years old at that time, some are actually quite new. Second, y
66 STT757 : And there's the NWA argument, shall we dredge up when of the NWA DC-9 retirement threads?.. 30% and 50%, that's how much more fuel MD-88s (30%) and D
67 OA412 : How much more do they cost to operate? Regardless you act as though DL hasn't already done this calculation and decided that it's more cost-effective
68 DeltaL1011man : I'll make you a deal, I get everything set up, you give the money. I'll email Delta and tell them you want to give them 10-15B to replace them and yo
69 STT757 : Then don't merge with NWA and instead concentrate your efforts into bringing your current airline up to a state of good repair, unfortunately fleet r
70 Jetlanta : Just silly. There is nothing wrong with the "repair" of the airline. Delta has invested more money in its existing fleet than any other carrier. Keep
71 MSYtristar : That is truly great news. Anything to keep the 747's in the air a little longer is just fine by me. Now perhaps the people in steerage won't be so up
72 STT757 : In the time that DL made their first announcment regarding the redevelopment of JFK back in 1999 AA, B6 and CO have all been able to launch and compl
73 Jetlanta : Because they are all exactly the same situation, right? It's not as if CO had far more at stake at EWR than DL did at JFK in 2001 (which is when the
74 STT757 : Simplier?.. CO rebuilt their terminal while it was still in operation, also the scope of CO's Global Gateway project was far more involved than just
75 Jetlanta : And how is any of that more complex than tearing down and rebuilding T2 & T3 at JFK without affecting the operation? You are talking basically additi
76 DeltaRules : This was my thinking. Aren't there a decent number of 757s that were delivered in the 2000s? And aren't the ex-TW 757s fairly new as well?
77 STT757 : BOS?..
78 Jetlanta : That was a decade ago. Please.
79 STT757 : It's very nice though, I was up there this past June.
80 1337Delta764 : Delta ships 6700-6717 were built from 1999-2001. The ex-TWA 752s were built from 1996-1999. On the NW side, ships 5650-5657 were built from 2001-2002
81 CokePopper : I wonder what would the cost be to but the BOS terminal on a Barge and float it down to JFK? Things that make you go hmmmmm...LOL
82 DALMD88 : Terminals don't just get rebuilt because the airline wants them, the airport has to want it also. For terminal A in BOS Massport was ready. Gates 13-
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