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United Launches DEN-DAY  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25841 posts, RR: 50
Posted (5 years 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4790 times:

Effective February 11, 2010.

UA6441 DEN-DAY 1035-1511 CR7
UA6441 DAY-DEN 1554-1700 CR7

Operated by Skywest

[Edited 2009-10-16 10:32:53 by laxintl]


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User currently offlineUALFAson From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 733 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4702 times:

I'm pretty sure this has already been mentioned, but still interesting because wasn't DAY one of the cities to recently go all UAX? So the city loses UA mainline but gains additional service/destinations. Hmm.


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23153 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4654 times:



Quoting UALFAson (Reply 1):
I'm pretty sure this has already been mentioned, but still interesting because wasn't DAY one of the cities to recently go all UAX?

I doubt they are related. Many of the cities that went all-Express did and do fine filling the airplanes that they have. It just didn't make sense to keep mainline staffing for a single daily mainline flight that could easily be replaced by a couple of Express flights.



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User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2011 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4483 times:

Actually, this would be a reinstatement. IIRC, when Frontier announced service a few years ago, UA added one CR7 and then dropped it later.

User currently offlineBrick From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1589 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4295 times:

The good news is now I don't have to go through ORD to get to DAY from DEN which I have to do several times a year. In fact I just came home from DAY today.

The bad news is a 1000+ mile flight on a CR7? Upgrade or not, that's not a comfortable ride.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8906 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4295 times:



Quoting Brick (Reply 4):
The bad news is a 1000+ mile flight on a CR7? Upgrade or not, that's not a comfortable ride.

Not too bad in F - I did a ORD-GEG-ORD turn on a CRJ-700 last month where I was in 1A for approximately 8 hours out of 8.5 and it wasn't that uncomfortable.

Now if I was in Y, different story.


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6085 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4219 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 5):
Not too bad in F - I did a ORD-GEG-ORD turn on a CRJ-700 last month where I was in 1A for approximately 8 hours out of 8.5 and it wasn't that uncomfortable.

Now if I was in Y, different story.

Assuming no one is next to you, then it's still a good ride---especially in E+.



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User currently offlineTAN FLYR From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1916 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4179 times:

For a while in the early 1980's UA did DAY-DEN with mainline 727's....hmm..now a CR7. times have changed.

User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3999 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4157 times:
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Quoting TAN FLYR (Reply 7):

well, back then, everything was mainline...........so not a good comparison.



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6085 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4128 times:



Quoting TAN FLYR (Reply 7):


Quoting TAN FLYR (Reply 7):

well, back then, everything was mainline...........so not a good comparison.

Not to mention that the passenger 727 is extinct north of Mexico.



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User currently offlineTAN FLYR From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1916 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4105 times:

My point was that for a time , the market supported a nonstop 727 from DAY to DEN...just as UA operated nonstops to DEN from probably a dozen mid-sized ciites between the Mississippi and the Alleghenies. While at times I would bet that it vacilated between a 727 and a 72S, it was still mainline.

Perhaps instead of downgrading such sities as DAY to a CR7 to save $ on the station status, they ought to figure out a better way to make stations such as DAY profitable as mainline. That would apply to a lot of carriers, at a number of cities. Make it at least reasonably comfortable to spend $$ on travel.

Just my 2 cents, as I am sure many others are tired of nearly 1000 mile segments on an RJ.

and yes, I am well aware that the 727 (pax) is extinct north of Mexico. But, I'll tell you this, there was a time when those 727's were like printing money for many carriers.


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3214 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4047 times:

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say "United relaunching DEN-DAY" ??

I could have sworn we used to operate this back in 07 or 08


User currently offlinePenguinflies From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3935 times:

GoJet was assigned the routing one month. Early morning DAY-DEN, then a early afternoon CVG-DEN. Plane routing was DAY-DEN-CVG-DEN-DAY on Sundays.

User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3301 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3478 times:



Quoting TAN FLYR (Reply 7):
For a while in the early 1980's UA did DAY-DEN with mainline 727's....hmm..now a CR7. times have changed.

Yeah its amazing what changes deregulation has brought to the industry....... Back in those days DEN-DAY probably never had loads justifying a 727, but the airfare charged probably made the difference. Now the market, instead of the CAB, sets the fare, and there's an aircraft able to support the true demand.

I still say we're better off....


User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2972 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Operated by Skywest



Quoting Penguinflies (Reply 12):
GoJet was assigned the routing one month.

- Does UA go month to month on assigning its UAX routes to the different carriers? What if UA decided that wanted to down grade to the 50 seat range or upgrade to the 90 to 100 seat range? Could they or would they go with another carrier (such as Republic, etal)?

- Side note and slightly off topic but what is the relationship between GoJet and Trans States?

David



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15795 posts, RR: 27
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2951 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
Many of the cities that went all-Express did and do fine filling the airplanes that they have. It just didn't make sense to keep mainline staffing for a single daily mainline flight that could easily be replaced by a couple of Express flights.

That and the fact that UA is retiring all of their 737s with no mainline replacements behind them. Something had to give.

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 9):
Not to mention that the passenger 727 is extinct north of Mexico.

First Air of Canada still operates a 727-200 combi.

Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 14):
- Side note and slightly off topic but what is the relationship between GoJet and Trans States?

GoJet is a wholly owned subsidiary of Trans States. I think that GoJet was started to get around some union rules, but I don't know what exactly. It may have been scope clause, like Shuttle America, or something else. They seem to not be thought of very highly, and that might be putting it lightly depending on who you ask.



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User currently onlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3778 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2546 times:

Now if there was only DEN-FWA, then we'd be set...


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User currently offlineTAN FLYR From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1916 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2388 times:



Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 13):
Yeah its amazing what changes deregulation has brought to the industry....... Back in those days DEN-DAY probably never had loads justifying a 727, but the airfare charged probably made the difference. Now the market, instead of the CAB, sets the fare, and there's an aircraft able to support the true demand.

I still say we're better off....

Yes, I remember those years before Pres. Carter signed the Airline Deregulation Act..And I agree..In inflation adjusted terms, we are far better off $$ wise...service.well that is another story. However, many cities have far more choices than before 1978.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 16):
Now if there was only DEN-FWA, then we'd be set...

While the delays at ORD are better, I do not understand why there is not a daily FWA-DEN , just to take the pressure off ORD..particularly in the summer travel season.

As one of the old farts on here, LOL!!, As I recall when I lived in FWA, that daily 727-100 on the FWA-SBN-DEN usually had a decent load factor leaving Indiana for DEN. At one time it graduated to a 72S for a while.

While many cities that are close (less than 200 miles) to a major hub have to have service to that hub, it make more sense to spread your costs out on a few longer legs to another hub, ie: FWA-DEN, DAY-DEN, FWA-MSP..or where I live now, we would like to see a DL FAT-MSP flight if we cant get an ORD mainline some day on AA or long shot odds, on UA.

Have a great weekend !!


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23153 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1965 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 15):
That and the fact that UA is retiring all of their 737s with no mainline replacements behind them. Something had to give.

Yup, and those single mainline flights probably were not, by and large, stellar performers (and would have had to have received a larger aircraft in many places).

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 15):
GoJet is a wholly owned subsidiary of Trans States. I think that GoJet was started to get around some union rules, but I don't know what exactly. It may have been scope clause, like Shuttle America, or something else.

G7 was started to get around AA scope, which prohibits anything above 50 seats from being on the certificate operating for AA.

The unhappiness surrounding them stems from the fact that they are not on the same seniority list with AX, like the three Republic certificates are. G7 pilots are also, IIRC, not union.



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User currently offlineADent From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1392 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1844 times:



Quoting TAN FLYR (Reply 10):

Perhaps instead of downgrading such sities as DAY to a CR7 to save $ on the station status, they ought to figure out a better way to make stations such as DAY profitable as mainline. That would apply to a lot of carriers, at a number of cities. Make it at least reasonably comfortable to spend $$ on travel.

Where is UA going to get the planes to go mainline? They just retired 100+ 737s and they seem to have been largely replaced by RJs (mostly CR7s?).

DEN-CLE, DEN-CMH, DEN-CVG, DEN-ATL are all RJ only (though E-170 for ATL). Heck DEN-SLC is 5/6 RJ.


User currently offlineRampguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1825 times:



Quoting TAN FLYR (Reply 7):
For a while in the early 1980's UA did DAY-DEN with mainline 727's....hmm..now a CR7. times have changed

Well considering you're talking about almost 30 years, yes. What is still the same now in 2009 compared to 1980? Aviation related or not.


User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1777 times:



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 6):
Assuming no one is next to you, then it's still a good ride---especially in E+.

actually he said he was in F  Smile

1A is on the single side  Smile

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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6085 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1761 times:



Quoting UnitedTristar (Reply 21):
actually he said he was in F

On the second half of that quote, he mentions Y.



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