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SA : JNB-EZE Daily For The World Cup  
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3998 times:
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Just two days after Argentina become classified for the 2010 World Cup and South African announced that it will run daily flights between JNB and EZE to take care of Argentina, Paraguay, Chile and potentially of Uruguay's demand for the cup. Period of this upgrade will be from June 7 to July 18.

Brazil will have also four additional flights to Sao Paulo.

TAM also announced charters (i do expect LA to do the same) during the World Cup.

SA keep saying their project is to run 4 daily flights to South America : GRU, EZE and GIG (probably 2x daily to GRU)

Source:
http://www.panrotas.com.br/noticia-t...-a-copa-2010_52027.html?pesquisa=1


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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3971 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
TAM also announced charters (i do expect LA to do the same) during the World Cup.

There are always tons of charters during World Cups. I remember a lot of interesting flights and planes from all over the world on almost all German airports in the summer of 2006. We had Aeromexico's 767s and 777s, Eurofly and Corsair heavies, Euro Atlantic's L1011 and TAAG's 743, as well as several hundreds more interesting charter flights.

A FIFA World Cup is not only enjoyable for football fans but also for plane spotters! Good that I like both!  Wink

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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days ago) and read 3929 times:
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Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 1):
There are always tons of charters during World Cups. I remember a lot of interesting flights and planes from all over the world on almost all German airports in the summer of 2006. We had Aeromexico's 767s and 777s, Eurofly and Corsair heavies, Euro Atlantic's L1011 and TAAG's 743, as well as several hundreds more interesting charter flights.

A FIFA World Cup is not only enjoyable for football fans but also for plane spotters! Good that I like both!

That's very good , specially for World Cup 2014  Smile
And it's good we will have probably a little more with the Olympics in 2016.

I'm sure airlines like EK, IB, BA, AF and others will also run a lot of additional flights to South Africa.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3802 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 2):
I'm sure airlines like EK, IB, BA, AF and others will also run a lot of additional flights to South Africa.

I think LH, BA, VS and EK will be absolute winners because of their strong market presence. KL (Netherlads was the first team to qualify) also has good position because it serves both JNB and CPT, while AF focuses on JNB only althought the A380 will be perfect.

TK and LY also have good operations in JNB, while TP will need to wait for qualification of Portugal but may get some traffic from Brazil. QF with Austrailia qualified will also have good demand.

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
Brazil will have also four additional flights to Sao Paulo.

I expect SA to operate 2 daily GRU-JNB flights, especially now with all Souther Cone countries qualified (only Uruguay pending). MH will benefit in this respect.

Rgs,


User currently offlineNYC2TLV From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3566 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 3):
TK and LY also have good operations in JNB, while TP will need to wait for qualification of Portugal but may get some traffic from Brazil. QF with Austrailia qualified will also have good demand.

LY does have operations at JNB, but they are only going to be using a Boeing 767 during the World Cup and don't even plan to have daily flights from what I can tell. It would have been interesting if Israel had qualified since LY would have had to get more wide body aircraft from other routes to help with demand. That didn't happen though.  Angry


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3281 times:
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Quoting NYC2TLV (Reply 4):
LY does have operations at JNB, but they are only going to be using a Boeing 767 during the World Cup and don't even plan to have daily flights from what I can tell. It would have been interesting if Israel had qualified since LY would have had to get more wide body aircraft from other routes to help with demand

That's what we can expect. More service from countries qualified, less from the others.



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User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2351 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3196 times:

Oh and while we're on the topic of World Cup Charters, the North Koreans have qualified for the first time since the 60's... Air Koryo in JNB anybody?  Smile


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User currently offlineNYC2TLV From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2935 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 5):
That's what we can expect. More service from countries qualified, less from the others.

Yes, well I would have thought that as LY have connections to ATH, LTN, LHR etc. that they might have been able to offer through fares to JNB but it doesn't look like they want to compete with the European carriers to JNB.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2919 times:
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Quoting NYC2TLV (Reply 7):
Yes, well I would have thought that as LY have connections to ATH, LTN, LHR etc. that they might have been able to offer through fares to JNB but it doesn't look like they want to compete with the European carriers to JNB.

THey will compete with LH, BA, TP and others with services to JNB. But it's easy to see BA increasing their offer than an airline from another country, not qualified to the Cup.



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User currently offlineArgentina From Argentina, joined Aug 2000, 374 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2754 times:

Today was said by AR staff to the local newspaper El Cronista Comercial, that the airline will resume flights to some destinations left, including South Africa.

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2693 times:
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Quoting Argentina (Reply 9):
Today was said by AR staff to the local newspaper El Cronista Comercial, that the airline will resume flights to some destinations left, including South Africa.

That would be fantastic as with Chile, Argentina, Uruguay (probably), Brazil and Paraguay qualified to the World Cup, Deep South America will need additional services to South Africa, at least during the competition.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2556 times:



Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 6):
Oh and while we're on the topic of World Cup Charters, the North Koreans have qualified for the first time since the 60's... Air Koryo in JNB anybody?

Doubtful. The DPRK isn't exactly a country that allows normal citizens to leave the country whenever they want. My guess is that at most, the DPRK fans will be ex-pats who live in China or Japan, so this could mean that Chinese and Japanese airlines would fly them in their charters.


User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4014 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2512 times:

While we are reading about more South Africa <-> South America service during the World Cup, I am yet to see anything about other regions of the world. What I am seeing is a few airlines actually reducing South Africa service from early 2010 on. For example, isn't LH leaving Cape Town? I am guessing the World Cup in South Africa is going to be just a small blip in the airlines radar.


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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 3 hours ago) and read 2369 times:
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Quoting Incitatus (Reply 12):
While we are reading about more South Africa <-> South America service during the World Cup, I am yet to see anything about other regions of the world. What I am seeing is a few airlines actually reducing South Africa service from early 2010 on. For example, isn't LH leaving Cape Town? I am guessing the World Cup in South Africa is going to be just a small blip in the airlines radar.

That might become a concern specially for Europe. But i do expect the same as TAM will do, with charters.

As a good information for South African spotters, TAM will fly non-stop from both GRU and GIG to CPT, JNB and DUR. Probably with A332.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2301 times:



Quoting Incitatus (Reply 12):
For example, isn't LH leaving Cape Town? I am guessing the World Cup in South Africa is going to be just a small blip in the airlines radar.

Indeed, I do not think airlines will make strategic planning based on one-off events such as World Cup. Also a lot of the demand is low yielding which could be captured by charter service instead of regular flights. In addition, airlines may just use higher capacity planes without profound modifications in schedule or frequencies. Not even TAM in Brazil (which could have a huge Worl Cup crowd) will start South Africa service.

Rgs,


User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3996 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2241 times:
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Quoting Incitatus (Reply 12):
For example, isn't LH leaving Cape Town? I am guessing the World Cup in South Africa is going to be just a small blip in the airlines radar.

There is much more year-round capacity between Europe and South Africa than there is between South America and South Africa. As a result, you will see a partial shift in demand from tourists and business travelers that will avoid the country during the World Cup to fans heading South to support their team. European carriers will run additional flights, especially to cities not currently serviced if their teams happen to be playing there, but the increased capacity will, as a percentage, be lower than that from South America since year-round services will carry a good chunk of the fan traffic.



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