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OAG Changes 10/16/09: AA/CO/DL/FL/NW/UA/WN/ZK  
User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7696 posts, RR: 15
Posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9475 times:

This compares what is for sale this week for the stated period versus what was for sale the prior week...NOT the prior year.

How to read:
AAA-BBB 3>2 APR means a reduction in one roundtrip from 3 to 2 for April only
AAA-BBB 4>6 MAY- means an increase from 4 to 6 roundtrips starting in May and continuing
AAA-BBB 3.2>5.6 In some big posts I don't spend the time rounding fractional roundtrips. Fractional roundtrips are usually caused by day of week cancellations, but can also result from a schedule change during the month that is averaged.

9T
FLL-POS 1/WK>0
JFK-GEO 1/WK>0
JFK-POS 1/WK>0

AA
BOS-LHR 3>2 APR

FOLLOWING ARE APRIL AND FORWARD
DFW-ABI 6.8>7.8
DFW-BOS 8.4>7.7
DFW-CHS 2.0>3.0
DFW-GDL 2.0>3.0
DFW-HOU 10.0>8.0
DFW-LBB 9.8>8.8
DFW-LIR 0.2>0.3
DFW-LIT 11.0>7.0
DFW-LRD 3.8>4.8
DFW-MBJ 0.7>0.9
DFW-MGM 2.0>2.8
DFW-MTY 2.8>3.8
DFW-ORF 3.0>2.0
DFW-PIT 4.0>3.0
DFW-PSP 3.0>2.0
DFW-SAV 2.0>3.0
DFW-SEA 6.8>8.0
DFW-SGF 7.8>8.8
DFW-SLP 1.0>2.0
DFW-STL 7.7>8.5
DFW-XNA 7.4>7.0
MIA-ANU 0.7>1.0
MIA-ATL 4.0>6.0
MIA-BNA 2.2>3.0
MIA-CHS 1.0>2.0
MIA-EYW 7.0>8.0
MIA-FPO 4.4>5.0
MIA-GYE 1.0>1.2
MIA-IAD 1.0>2.0
MIA-JAX 4.2>5.0
MIA-NAS 10.5>11.6
MIA-PTY 2.0>3.0
MIA-PUJ 1.5>2.0
MIA-RSW 2.0>3.0
MIA-SXM 2.0>1.7
ORD-ATL 5.7>6.8
ORD-BDL 2.7>4.8
ORD-BUF 3.0>4.7
ORD-BWI 2.8>4.8
ORD-CLE 5.7>4.8
ORD-CLT 3.7>4.7
ORD-DEN 4.0>5.0
ORD-DTW 8.0>7.0
ORD-ELP 1.0>2.0
ORD-EWR 4.8>7.8
ORD-GRR 4.8>5.5
ORD-HPN 3.9>5.0
ORD-IAH 3.0>4.0
ORD-LAS 4.0>5.0
ORD-LAX 9.0>10.0
ORD-MCI 5.8>6.8
ORD-OKC 3.0>5.0
ORD-OMA 4.0>4.7
ORD-PHL 5.8>6.7
ORD-PIT 3.0>5.8
ORD-PVR 0.0>0.2
ORD-RIC 3.0>4.8
ORD-ROC 3.0>4.8
ORD-SAT 2.0>3.0
ORD-SDF 4.8>5.5
ORD-SEA 3.8>4.8
ORD-SFO 4.8>6.0
ORD-SJU 1.2>1.7
ORD-SLC 2.0>3.0
ORD-SYR 3.0>4.7
ORD-YYZ 8.8>6.8
SJU-ANU 1.0>1.5
SJU-BOS 1.2>2.0
SJU-DOM 1.0>2.0
SJU-EIS 6.0>6.5
SJU-GND 0.6>1.0
SJU-ORD 1.2>1.7
SJU-POS 1.0>0.6
SJU-SDQ 7.0>5.0
STL-BOS 1.0>2.0
STL-DFW 7.7>8.5

CO
DAL-IAH 8.5>5.9 MAR-
IAH-MFE 9.2>6.7 MAR-
TLH-MCO 3>4 MAR-
TLH-TPA 4>5 MAR-

DL
ATL-CDG 3>3 MAR-
ATL-DEN 7>8 JAN-APR
BIL-SLC 5>4 JAN-
CVG-HSV 1>0 JAN-

FL
ATL-CHS 3>0 DEC-

NW
BOI-MSP 2>3 JAN-
BZN-MSP 2>3 JAN-MAR
GUM-NRT 3>4 JAN-MAR
MSN-MSP 6>5 JAN-

UA
DEN-DAY 0>1 FEB-
IAD-PNS 0>2 FEB-
ORD-PNS 0>2/WK FEB-
SFO-TUS 1>2 FEB-

WN
MARCH AND FORWARD
ABQ-DAL 7.2>7.5
ABQ-LAS 4.7>5.7
ABQ-LAX 3.8>4.0
ABQ-PDX 0.8>1.0
ABQ-PHX 8.0>8.4
ABQ-SEA 2.0>1.8
ABQ-TUS 2.0>1.7
ALB-BWI 4.7>5.5
ALB-MCO 3.0>3.2
ALB-MDW 2.0>1.8
ALB-TPA 1.0>1.2
AUS-BNA 1.7>2.0
AUS-BWI 1.8>2.0
AUS-HOU 5.2>5.4
AUS-LAX 1.0>2.0
AUS-MCO 1.0>2.0
AUS-MDW 1.7>1.8
AUS-PHL 0.8>0.0
AUS-PHX 3.5>3.7
AUS-SAN 1.7>1.8
BDL-BWI 6.7>7.4
BDL-FLL 0.0>0.2
BDL-MCO 3.0>3.2
BDL-MDW 1.8>2.0
BDL-TPA 1.0>2.0
BHM-JAX 0.8>1.0
BHM-MCO 2.0>2.2
BHM-MDW 1.8>2.0
BHM-TPA 1.8>2.0
BNA-AUS 1.7>2.0
BNA-CLE 1.7>1.8
BNA-CMH 1.7>1.8
BNA-DEN 2.7>2.8
BNA-DTW 1.8>2.0
BNA-FLL 2.0>2.2
BNA-HOU 3.7>3.8
BNA-JAX 2.7>3.8
BNA-LAX 1.8>2.0
BNA-MCO 4.8>5.2
BNA-MDW 6.2>7.4
BNA-ONT 0.8>0.0
BNA-ORF 0.8>1.0
BNA-PHX 2.7>2.0
BNA-PVD 0.8>1.0
BNA-SAT 1.8>1.7
BNA-TPA 3.8>5.0
BOI-OAK 1.8>1.7
BOI-RNO 2.0>2.7
BOI-SEA 2.0>1.8
BOI-SLC 1.5>1.7
BOS-BWI 4.7>6.7
BUF-BWI 4.7>5.5
BUF-LAS 1.8>2.0
BUF-MCO 3.0>4.2
BUR-LAS 11.2>11.8
BUR-OAK 12.9>13.2
BUR-SMF 8.9>9.0
BWI-ALB 4.7>5.5
BWI-AUS 1.8>2.0
BWI-BDL 6.7>7.4
BWI-BNA 6.4>6.7
BWI-BOS 4.7>6.7
BWI-BUF 4.7>5.5
BWI-CLE 3.8>3.5
BWI-CMH 3.5>4.7
BWI-DEN 2.8>3.0
BWI-DTW 2.8>3.7
BWI-FLL 4.0>5.2
BWI-IND 2.7>2.8
BWI-MCI 1.8>2.8
BWI-MCO 6.8>9.2
BWI-MDW 5.5>6.7
BWI-MHT 7.5>7.7
BWI-MSY 1.0>2.0
BWI-ORF 3.5>3.8
BWI-PBI 3.0>4.0
BWI-PHX 3.0>2.8
BWI-PIT 2.8>2.7
BWI-PVD 8.4>9.4
BWI-RSW 2.0>3.0
BWI-SAT 1.8>2.0
BWI-SDF 2.7>3.7
BWI-STL 3.5>4.5
BWI-TPA 5.8>6.0
CLE-BWI 3.7>3.5
CLE-MCO 0.0>0.2
CLE-MDW 5.5>6.2
CMH-BNA 1.7>1.8
CMH-BWI 3.5>4.7
CMH-MDW 5.4>6.4
CMH-TPA 2.0>3.2
CRP-HOU 4.2>4.5
DAL-ABQ 7.4>7.5
DAL-AMA 6.2>6.4
DAL-AUS 10.2>10.5
DAL-BHM 2.8>2.7
DAL-HOU 24.8>25.1
DAL-LBB 6.4>6.5
DAL-LIT 6.2>6.4
DAL-MCI 7.0>7.4
DAL-MSY 5.8>6.0
DAL-SAT 12.4>12.5
DAL-STL 6.5>7.5
DAL-TUL 5.5>5.4
DEN-ABQ 2.7>2.8
DEN-AMA 2.0>1.8
DEN-AUS 2.7>2.8
DEN-BNA 2.7>2.8
DEN-BWI 2.7>3.0
DEN-HOU 2.8>3.0
DEN-LAS 7.5>7.8
DEN-LAX 5.5>5.7
DEN-MCO 2.8>3.0
DEN-MDW 8.4>8.5
DEN-OKC 2.0>1.8
DEN-PDX 1.7>2.0
DEN-PHL 2.8>2.7
DEN-PHX 7.4>7.7
DEN-SAN 4.5>4.7
DEN-SEA 2.2>2.0
DEN-SLC 5.7>5.5
DEN-SMF 1.8>2.0
DEN-SNA 2.7>2.8
DEN-STL 2.7>2.8
DTW-BWI 2.7>3.7
DTW-MCO 0.0>0.2
DTW-MDW 5.5>6.2
ELP-ABQ 1.8>1.7
ELP-DAL 6.5>6.7
ELP-LAX 2.8>2.7
ELP-PHX 5.5>5.4
ELP-SAT 2.7>2.8
FLL-BDL 0.0>0.2
FLL-BNA 2.0>2.2
FLL-BWI 4.0>5.2
FLL-JAX 4.8>4.7
FLL-MCO 5.0>4.8
FLL-MDW 4.0>5.3
FLL-MHT 0.0>0.2
FLL-MSY 1.8>2.0
FLL-STL 1.0>1.2
GEG-BOI 2.5>2.7
GEG-OAK 2.0>1.8
GEG-PDX 2.5>2.7
GEG-SLC 0.8>1.0
HOU-ABQ 2.7>2.8
HOU-AUS 5.2>5.4
HOU-BHM 1.8>2.0
HOU-CRP 4.2>4.5
HOU-DAL 24.8>24.9
HOU-DEN 3.0>2.8
HOU-ELP 2.8>2.7
HOU-HRL 7.9>7.0
HOU-LAS 3.8>4.0
HOU-LAX 3.7>4.0
HOU-MAF 1.7>1.8
HOU-MCO 3.7>4.2
HOU-MSY 9.0>9.5
HOU-OAK 1.8>2.0
HOU-OKC 3.7>3.5
HOU-PHX 3.5>3.8
HOU-SAN 1.8>2.0
HOU-SAT 5.2>5.4
HOU-STL 3.5>2.8
HOU-TPA 3.7>3.8
HOU-TUL 3.4>3.5
HRL-HOU 7.7>7.0
IAD-MCO 1.8>2.0
IAD-MDW 5.2>5.5
IND-BWI 2.7>2.8
IND-LAS 2.0>3.0
IND-MCO 1.0>1.2
IND-MDW 2.7>3.5
IND-PHX 1.8>2.0
IND-TPA 1.0>2.0
ISP-MCO 4.0>5.0
ISP-PBI 3.2>3.0
ISP-RSW 0.0>1.0
JAN-BWI 1.7>1.8
JAN-MDW 1.0>1.7
JAX-BHM 0.8>1.0
JAX-BNA 2.8>3.8
JAX-FLL 4.7>4.5
JAX-ORF 1.8>2.0
LAS-ABQ 4.7>5.7
LAS-BUF 1.8>2.0
LAS-BUR 11.4>11.7
LAS-DEN 7.5>7.7
LAS-HOU 3.8>4.0
LAS-IND 2.0>3.0
LAS-LAX 11.2>11.8
LAS-MCI 3.8>4.0
LAS-MDW 7.7>9.0
LAS-OAK 8.7>9.0
LAS-OMA 2.0>3.0
LAS-ORF 0.0>0.2
LAS-PHX 14.0>14.2
LAS-SAN 11.5>11.7
LAS-SAT 3.8>4.0
LAS-SEA 2.0>3.0
LAS-SFO 6.7>6.5
LAS-SJC 8.4>8.5
LAS-SLC 6.4>6.5
LAS-STL 3.0>4.0
LAS-TPA 1.8>2.0
LAS-TUS 4.7>5.0
LAX-ABQ 3.7>4.0
LAX-AUS 1.0>2.0
LAX-BNA 1.8>2.0
LAX-DEN 5.5>5.7
LAX-HOU 3.7>4.0
LAX-LAS 11.4>11.7
LAX-MCI 1.8>2.0
LAX-MDW 4.7>5.7
LAX-OAK 14.7>14.9
LAX-PHX 10.9>11.0
LAX-SAT 1.8>2.0
LAX-SJC 10.0>10.2
LAX-SLC 2.8>3.0
LAX-SMF 8.4>8.5
LBB-DAL 6.4>6.5
LGA-MDW 4.8>4.7
LIT-DAL 6.2>6.4
MAF-HOU 1.7>1.8
MCI-BNA 2.7>2.8
MCI-BWI 1.8>2.8
MCI-DAL 7.0>7.4
MCI-DEN 4.5>4.8
MCI-LAS 3.8>4.0
MCI-LAX 1.8>2.0
MCI-MCO 3.0>3.2
MCI-MKE 2.8>3.0
MCI-OKC 1.8>2.0
MCI-PDX 0.8>1.0
MCI-PHX 2.8>3.0
MCI-STL 4.2>4.5
MCI-TPA 2.0>2.2
MCO-ALB 3.0>3.2
MCO-AUS 1.0>2.0
MCO-BDL 3.0>3.2
MCO-BHM 2.0>2.2
MCO-BNA 4.7>5.0
MCO-BUF 3.0>4.2
MCO-BWI 7.0>9.0
MCO-CLE 0.0>0.2
MCO-CMH 3.0>3.2
MCO-DEN 2.7>3.0
MCO-DTW 0.0>0.2
MCO-FLL 5.0>4.8
MCO-HOU 3.8>4.2
MCO-IAD 1.8>2.0
MCO-IND 1.0>1.2
MCO-ISP 4.0>5.0
MCO-MCI 3.0>3.2
MCO-MDW 5.8>7.3
MCO-MHT 3.2>3.3
MCO-MKE 2.0>2.2
MCO-OMA 0.0>0.2
MCO-ORF 2.0>2.2
MCO-PIT 2.2>3.2
MCO-PVD 5.0>5.3
MCO-RDU 3.0>4.0
MCO-RSW 3.8>4.0
MCO-SAT 1.0>1.2
MCO-SDF 1.0>1.2
MCO-STL 3.0>4.2
MDW-ALB 2.0>1.8
MDW-BDL 1.8>2.0
MDW-BHM 1.8>2.0
MDW-BNA 6.2>7.2
MDW-BWI 5.5>6.5
MDW-CLE 5.5>6.2
MDW-CMH 5.4>6.2
MDW-DEN 8.4>8.7
MDW-DTW 5.5>6.0
MDW-FLL 4.0>5.3
MDW-HOU 5.5>5.7
MDW-IAD 5.2>5.5
MDW-IND 2.7>3.5
MDW-JAN 1.0>1.8
MDW-LAS 7.7>9.0
MDW-LAX 4.8>5.7
MDW-LGA 4.8>4.7
MDW-MCI 9.0>9.4
MDW-MCO 6.0>7.3
MDW-MSP 7.7>7.5
MDW-OAK 1.8>2.7
MDW-OMA 4.5>5.5
MDW-ONT 0.0>1.0
MDW-ORF 1.8>2.0
MDW-PDX 0.8>1.8
MDW-PHL 6.0>6.4
MDW-PHX 6.7>7.0
MDW-PIT 3.7>4.7
MDW-PVD 2.7>3.0
MDW-RDU 2.7>3.0
MDW-RSW 2.2>3.2
MDW-SAN 2.8>3.0
MDW-SAT 1.8>2.0
MDW-SDF 3.5>4.5
MDW-SEA 1.7>2.7
MDW-SFO 2.0>1.8
MDW-SJC 0.8>1.0
MDW-SLC 1.8>2.0
MDW-STL 8.9>9.0
MDW-TPA 4.2>6.2
MDW-TUS 1.8>2.0
MHT-FLL 0.0>0.2
MHT-MCO 3.2>3.3
MHT-MDW 2.7>2.8
MHT-PHL 4.4>3.7
MHT-TPA 2.0>3.0
MKE-MCI 2.8>3.0
MKE-MCO 2.0>2.2
MSP-MDW 7.7>7.5
MSY-BHM 1.7>1.8
MSY-BWI 1.0>2.0
MSY-DAL 5.8>6.0
MSY-FLL 1.8>2.0
MSY-HOU 9.2>9.5
MSY-TPA 2.8>3.0
OAK-BOI 1.8>1.7
OAK-BUR 12.7>13.4
OAK-DEN 3.0>2.7
OAK-GEG 1.8>1.7
OAK-HOU 1.7>2.0
OAK-LAS 8.7>9.0
OAK-LAX 14.9>15.0
OAK-MDW 1.8>2.8
OAK-ONT 9.0>9.2
OAK-PDX 5.2>5.5
OAK-SAN 12.4>12.5
OAK-SLC 3.7>3.5
OAK-SNA 7.5>7.4
OKC-HOU 3.7>3.5
OKC-MCI 1.7>2.0
OMA-LAS 2.0>3.0
OMA-MCO 0.0>0.2
OMA-MDW 4.5>5.5
OMA-STL 2.5>2.8
ONT-BNA 0.8>0.0
ONT-LAS 7.5>7.7
ONT-MDW 0.0>1.0
ONT-OAK 9.0>9.4
ONT-PHX 8.2>8.0
ONT-SJC 5.5>5.7
ONT-SMF 9.0>8.2
ORF-BNA 0.8>1.0
ORF-BWI 3.5>4.0
ORF-LAS 0.0>0.2
ORF-MCO 2.0>2.2
ORF-MDW 1.8>2.0
PBI-BWI 3.0>4.0
PBI-ISP 3.2>3.0
PBI-TPA 3.5>3.8
PDX-ABQ 0.8>1.0
PDX-DEN 1.7>2.0
PDX-GEG 2.5>2.8
PDX-MCI 0.8>1.0
PDX-MDW 0.8>1.8
PDX-OAK 5.2>5.5
PDX-PHX 2.7>2.8
PDX-RNO 1.8>2.0
PDX-SLC 1.8>2.8
PDX-SMF 6.4>5.5
PHL-AUS 0.8>0.0
PHL-BNA 1.7>1.8
PHL-MDW 6.2>6.4
PHL-MHT 4.4>3.7
PHL-PVD 4.5>3.7
PHL-RDU 3.7>3.5
PHL-STL 1.7>1.8
PHL-TPA 3.0>4.0
PHX-ABQ 8.0>8.2
PHX-BNA 2.7>2.0
PHX-BWI 3.0>2.8
PHX-DEN 7.2>7.5
PHX-HOU 3.7>3.8
PHX-IND 1.8>2.0
PHX-LAS 14.0>14.2
PHX-LAX 10.7>11.0
PHX-MCI 2.7>3.0
PHX-MDW 6.7>7.0
PHX-PDX 2.7>3.0
PHX-RDU 0.8>1.0
PHX-SAN 11.2>11.5
PHX-SAT 2.8>3.0
PHX-SEA 2.8>3.0
PHX-SLC 6.4>6.7
PHX-SMF 5.4>5.7
PHX-STL 2.8>3.0
PHX-TUL 2.0>1.8
PIT-BWI 2.8>2.7
PIT-MCO 2.2>3.2
PIT-MDW 3.7>4.7
PVD-BNA 0.8>1.0
PVD-BWI 8.4>9.5
PVD-MCO 5.0>5.3
PVD-MDW 2.7>2.8
PVD-PHL 4.5>3.7
PVD-TPA 2.0>3.2
RDU-MCO 3.0>4.0
RDU-MDW 2.7>2.8
RDU-PHX 0.8>1.0
RDU-TPA 2.7>2.8
RNO-BOI 2.0>2.5
RNO-LAX 2.8>3.0
RNO-PDX 1.8>2.0
RNO-SJC 2.8>2.7
RSW-BWI 2.0>3.0
RSW-ISP 0.0>1.0
RSW-MCO 3.8>4.0
RSW-MDW 2.2>3.2
SAN-DEN 4.5>4.8
SAN-HOU 1.8>2.0
SAN-LAS 11.5>11.7
SAN-MDW 2.8>3.0
SAN-OAK 12.4>12.5
SAN-PHX 10.9>11.4
SAN-SFO 8.2>8.4
SAN-SJC 9.2>9.5
SAN-SMF 11.4>11.5
SAN-TUS 3.7>3.0
SAT-BWI 1.8>2.0
SAT-DAL 12.5>12.7
SAT-HRL 1.7>1.8
SAT-LAS 3.8>4.0
SAT-LAX 1.8>2.0
SAT-MCO 1.0>1.2
SAT-MDW 1.8>2.0
SAT-PHX 2.8>3.0
SAT-TPA 0.8>1.0
SDF-BWI 2.7>3.7
SDF-MCO 1.0>1.2
SDF-MDW 3.7>4.7
SDF-TPA 1.0>1.2
SEA-ABQ 2.0>1.8
SEA-BOI 2.0>1.8
SEA-LAS 2.0>3.0
SEA-MDW 1.8>2.7
SEA-OAK 5.4>5.5
SEA-PHX 2.8>3.0
SEA-SJC 1.8>2.0
SFO-DEN 2.8>2.7
SFO-LAS 6.7>6.5
SFO-LAX 10.4>10.2
SFO-PHX 4.7>4.5
SFO-SAN 8.0>8.4
SFO-SNA 5.7>5.5
SJC-DEN 2.7>2.8
SJC-LAX 10.0>10.2
SJC-MDW 0.8>1.0
SJC-ONT 5.5>5.7
SJC-PDX 3.5>3.7
SJC-PHX 5.2>5.4
SJC-RNO 2.8>2.7
SJC-SAN 9.4>9.5
SLC-ABQ 1.0>0.8
SLC-BOI 1.7>1.8
SLC-GEG 0.8>1.0
SLC-LAS 6.4>6.5
SLC-LAX 2.7>3.0
SLC-OAK 3.7>3.5
SLC-PDX 1.8>2.7
SLC-PHX 6.4>6.7
SLC-SEA 2.7>2.8
SMF-BUR 8.9>9.0
SMF-LAS 7.7>7.5
SMF-LAX 8.2>8.4
SMF-ONT 9.0>8.4
SMF-PDX 6.4>5.5
SMF-PHX 5.4>5.7
SMF-SAN 11.2>11.5
SMF-SEA 3.7>3.8
SNA-OAK 7.5>7.4
SNA-PHX 7.2>7.4
SNA-SFO 5.8>5.5
SNA-SMF 6.5>6.7
STL-BWI 3.5>4.5
STL-DAL 6.4>7.4
STL-DEN 2.8>3.0
STL-DTW 1.7>1.8
STL-FLL 1.0>1.2
STL-HOU 3.7>2.7
STL-LAS 3.0>4.0
STL-MCO 3.0>4.2
STL-MDW 8.9>9.0
STL-OKC 1.5>1.8
STL-OMA 2.5>2.8
STL-PHL 1.7>1.8
STL-PHX 2.8>3.0
STL-TPA 2.0>2.2
TPA-ALB 1.0>1.2
TPA-BDL 1.0>2.0
TPA-BNA 3.8>5.0
TPA-BWI 5.8>6.0
TPA-CMH 2.0>3.2
TPA-HOU 3.5>3.7
TPA-IND 1.0>2.0
TPA-LAS 1.8>2.0
TPA-MCI 1.8>2.2
TPA-MDW 4.2>6.2
TPA-MHT 2.0>3.0
TPA-MSY 2.8>3.0
TPA-PBI 3.5>3.8
TPA-PHL 3.0>4.0
TPA-PVD 2.0>3.2
TPA-RDU 2.8>3.0
TPA-SAT 0.8>1.0
TPA-SDF 1.0>1.2
TPA-STL 2.0>2.2
TUL-HOU 3.4>3.5
TUL-PHX 2.0>1.8
TUL-STL 1.8>1.7
TUS-ABQ 2.0>1.8
TUS-LAS 4.7>5.0
TUS-LAX 4.8>4.7
TUS-MDW 1.8>2.0
TUS-SAN 3.7>3.0

ZK
MOSTLY DEC-
AIA-BFF 0.0>1.0
AIA-DEN 1.7>0.7
AIA-PIR 1.7>0.0
BFF-AIA 0.0>1.7
BFF-DEN 2.7>3.7
DDC-GCK 0.0>1.7
DDC-MCI 0.0>0.7
DDC-MHK 2.0>0.0
DEN-AIA 1.7>0.0
DEN-BFF 2.7>4.4
DEN-GCC 2.7>1.7
DEN-GCK 2.8>3.5
DEN-GRI 0.0>2.5
DEN-LBL 1.7>2.7
DEN-PIR 0.0>1.7
DEN-SHR 3.0>4.0
DEN-TEX 2.0>2.0
GBD-MCI 0.8>0.0
GBD-MHK 0.8>0.0
GBD-SLN 0.0>1.8
GCC-MLS 2.0>1.0
GCK-DDC 0.0>1.7
GCK-DEN 2.8>3.5
GCK-LBL 1.0>0.0
GCK-SLN 2.0>0.0
GRI-DEN 0.0>2.5
GRI-MCI 2.5>0.0
HON-MCK 1.7>0.0
HON-PIR 0.0>1.7
LBL-DEN 1.7>2.7
LBL-GCK 1.0>0.0
MCI-DDC 0.0>0.7
MCI-GBD 0.2>0.0
MCI-GRI 2.5>0.0
MCI-MHK 3.7>2.7
MCI-TBN 1.7>2.5
MCK-HON 1.7>0.0
MCK-MHK 0.0>1.0
MHK-DDC 2.0>0.0
MHK-GBD 1.5>0.0
MHK-MCI 3.0>2.7
MHK-MCK 0.0>1.0
PIR-AIA 1.7>0.0
PIR-DEN 0.0>1.7
PIR-HON 0.0>1.7
SHR-MLS 0.0>1.0
SLN-GBD 0.0>1.8
SLN-GCK 2.0>0.0
STL-TBN 2.4>0.0
TBN-MCI 1.7>2.5
TBN-STL 2.4>0.0

[Edited 2009-10-16 18:54:35 by enilria]

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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4589 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9428 times:

Did your post get cut off? Last line is incomplete.


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6789 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9422 times:

Okay.. I'm not trying to be greedy or anything.. but can AA add back the 6th and 7th DFW flights? Upgrade the 2 ORD flights? And give us one to SJU?

I mean, they dropped so much from here.. can they add something back? Everybody getting a lil action but RDU.. sheesh..

We ain't got love from any airline except WN adding back the seasonal MCO flight..

But I digress.. OH well.. Congratulations everybody else..



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7696 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9368 times:



Quoting Indy (Reply 1):
Did your post get cut off? Last line is incomplete.

Thanks, don't know what caused that. Fixed now it appears.


User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7696 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9351 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
UA DEN-DAY 0>1 FEB-

This is unannounced, correct?


User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2850 posts, RR: 33
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9326 times:

Thanks for keeping these threads going Enilria, much appreciated!

Quoting Enilria (Reply 4):
This is unannounced, correct?

It was announced this week. Tuesday maybe?

I hate to see WN drop some of our [OKC] DEN and HOU frequencies for MAR-. Oh well, just another day for OKC.

EDIT: OKC did get our AA seats back from the STL cut, going from 3x -> 5x ORD. Which breaks down to 1x CR7 4x ER4 MAY-



[Edited 2009-10-16 19:03:04]


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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7696 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 9046 times:



Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 5):
Thanks for keeping these threads going Enilria, much appreciated!

Thanks!
I started doing it because not enough people understand the tit-for-tat competitive reactions that go on in the schedules. Unfortunately, with the economy the fireworks have been few and far between lately!


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15833 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 9026 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
ATL-CHS 3>0 DEC-

What are the odds that next week's thread will include a DL cut on this route?  duck 



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5702 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 8900 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
STL-BWI 3.5>4.5
STL-DAL 6.4>7.4
STL-DEN 2.8>3.0
STL-DTW 1.7>1.8
STL-FLL 1.0>1.2
STL-HOU 3.7>2.7
STL-LAS 3.0>4.0
STL-MCO 3.0>4.2
STL-MDW 8.9>9.0
STL-OKC 1.5>1.8
STL-OMA 2.5>2.8
STL-PHL 1.7>1.8
STL-PHX 2.8>3.0
STL-TPA 2.0>2.2

I am not understanding the decimal parts? Are these including saturday flights too?

Since, BWI goes to 5 daily, MDW goes to Ten daily, DAL Eight Daily, PHX was unchanged, DEN was also unchanged, always remained at 3 daily since they started service, PHL has also remained at 2 daily.

None of these your OAG/Number correctly reflects so I am trying to figure out how you are getting lower frequencies versus what I see on the employee site and www.southwest.com schedule.

Also I see you put ZK too, How come STL-MWA isn't axed or STL-CGI? Rumor has it Cape Air won the bid and they are hiring for regional in STL starting Nov 1st...

Thanks for doing these schedules!

Alex



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User currently offlineSwacle From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 393 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 7902 times:



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 8):
None of these your OAG/Number correctly reflects so I am trying to figure out how you are getting lower frequencies versus what I see on the employee site and www.southwest.com schedule.



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
AAA-BBB 3.2>5.6 In some big posts I don't spend the time rounding fractional roundtrips. Fractional roundtrips are usually caused by day of week cancellations, but can also result from a schedule change during the month that is averaged.

Basically saying that a routw with 10 Monday-Friday roundtrips, 6 Saturday Roundtrips, and 7 Sunday round trips will show as 9.0 because the total weekly frequencies is divided by 7 to get a "daily" number" of trips (10x5 + 7 + 6 = 63 / 7 = 9)

Hope this helps!

Don/ WN CLE



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User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7808 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 7518 times:

The additional DFW-GDL flights are LONG overdue.

Also-DFW-PTY is getting 2 additional weekly frequencies.



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7696 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 6852 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 7):
What are the odds that next week's thread will include a DL cut on this route?

 Wink Exactly...

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 8):
Since, BWI goes to 5 daily, MDW goes to Ten daily, DAL Eight Daily, PHX was unchanged, DEN was also unchanged, always remained at 3 daily since they started service, PHL has also remained at 2 daily.

None of these your OAG/Number correctly reflects so I am trying to figure out how you are getting lower frequencies versus what I see on the employee site and www.southwest.com schedule.



Quoting Swacle (Reply 9):
Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
AAA-BBB 3.2>5.6 In some big posts I don't spend the time rounding fractional roundtrips. Fractional roundtrips are usually caused by day of week cancellations, but can also result from a schedule change during the month that is averaged.

Basically saying that a routw with 10 Monday-Friday roundtrips, 6 Saturday Roundtrips, and 7 Sunday round trips will show as 9.0 because the total weekly frequencies is divided by 7 to get a "daily" number" of trips (10x5 + 7 + 6 = 63 / 7 = 9)

EXACTLY. No matter how you count it somebody comments. These days the airlines don't even have the same schedule on Friday as they do on Wednesday, much less Saturday. If I have the time I try to round it, but when posting hundreds of route changes it is too much. BTW, the WN press release is only correct for a point in time. They have changes in their schedule from March to April and from April to May.


User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2850 posts, RR: 33
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 6636 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 11):
EXACTLY. No matter how you count it somebody comments. These days the airlines don't even have the same schedule on Friday as they do on Wednesday, much less Saturday. If I have the time I try to round it, but when posting hundreds of route changes it is too much. BTW, the WN press release is only correct for a point in time. They have changes in their schedule from March to April and from April to May.

I use these threads as a general reference, it is good to know who is gaining or losing service, but if you need specific data wait until Monday and look at the specifics of the route in question.



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7696 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week ago) and read 6608 times:



Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 12):

I use these threads as a general reference, it is good to know who is gaining or losing service, but if you need specific data wait until Monday and look at the specifics of the route in question.

That's fair.


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5702 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 1 week ago) and read 6566 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 11):
EXACTLY. No matter how you count it somebody comments.

Well I was trying to word it so you didn't think I was complaining about it.

I think SWA is the only one that keeps their word of "daily" Ie. if it says Daily, its daily meaning MON-FRI and usually Sunday too. They also released a separate Saturday schedule too.

I know and understand how it is factored now, but if you see how I was viewing it, your list shows a reduction in STL's schedule when it is the complete opposite and we have gained back flights or remained stagnant. That is why I was questioning the method of the schedule done.

But now I understand how it is done. Just kind of weird.

I just spoke to someone here who has ties with the midwest regional airports MWA, CGI and he did confirm Cape Air is coming into town, and ZK should be pulling out of STL-MWA/CGI within next few weeks.

Alex



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7696 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6510 times:



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 14):
I know and understand how it is factored now, but if you see how I was viewing it, your list shows a reduction in STL's schedule when it is the complete opposite and we have gained back flights or remained stagnant. That is why I was questioning the method of the schedule done.

The point is that it isn't wrong, just methodology.  Smile


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15833 posts, RR: 27
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6492 times:



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 14):
he did confirm Cape Air is coming into town,

It looks like that is the case. There is an opening for a Regional Marketing Manager for the St. Louis Market listed on their website.

http://www.flycapeair.com/common/ind....php?lng=ak&div=HH&nav=II&page=H05



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6110 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
ATL-CDG 3>3 MAR-

Typo? You show no change...

Quoting Enilria (Reply 11):
Exactly...

You can call it two that, though it may not be. If DL goes to smaller airplanes on ATL-CHS, you can say their behavior was predatory, but it also may be true that the larger airplanes were the right airplanes for a FL-influenced fare environment and the smaller airplanes are the right ones for a higher-yield environment.



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7696 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5867 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 17):
Typo? You show no change...

Sorry, 3>2

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 17):
but it also may be true that the larger airplanes were the right airplanes for a FL-influenced fare environment and the smaller airplanes are the right ones for a higher-yield environment.

I tend to think if we ever drift back toward additional regulation (not "re-regulation", but simply more economic regulation) that a useful rule would be one that basically prevents competitors from matching fare reductions for some period of time. I don't know whether that period of time should be day or a week or a month, but dumping capacity in order soak up market share in a market where they previously were gouging (and only lowered fares 2 minutes after AirTran entered the market) smells bad to me.


User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5823 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 11):
These days the airlines don't even have the same schedule on Friday as they do on Wednesday, much less Saturday. If I have the time I try to round it, but when posting hundreds of route changes it is too much. BTW, the WN press release is only correct for a point in time. They have changes in their schedule from March to April and from April to May.

Just out of curiousity, does anyone know if it has always been like this? Being a timetable collector and viewing current PDFs of timetables versus the timetables of 2001-2005 I honestly can't remember such wild subtle changes that have very little true effect (like how some flights will operate 4 minutes earlier 2 days out of the week), when it seemed like back then a flight was daily and that was that. I see this a lot with DL, NW, and UA when they never used to do/show that. If I'm not crazy and it is a recent trend, why have they suddenly started doing that? (It makes their PDF timetables next to impossible to read as opposed to the older ones)


User currently offlineRampguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5798 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
BWI-IND 2.7>2.8

What is the difference from 2.7 and 2.8 flights???????? It's still 2 flights.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5698 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 18):
but dumping capacity in order soak up market share in a market where they previously were gouging (and only lowered fares 2 minutes after AirTran entered the market) smells bad to me.

Why? You charge the price the market will bear and try to provide the right number of seats at that price. It's a sensible strategy, though it's arguably not the best one.



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User currently offlineSwacle From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 393 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5580 times:



Quoting Rampguy (Reply 20):

Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
BWI-IND 2.7>2.8

What is the difference from 2.7 and 2.8 flights???????? It's still 2 flights.

The difference is about 1 weekly flight.....1 additional on Saturday or Sunday compared to previous schedule.

Don



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7696 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5532 times:



Quoting Airport (Reply 19):
Just out of curiousity, does anyone know if it has always been like this?



Quoting Airport (Reply 19):
Being a timetable collector and viewing current PDFs of timetables versus the timetables of 2001-2005 I honestly can't remember such wild subtle changes that have very little true effect (like how some flights will operate 4 minutes earlier 2 days out of the week), when it seemed like back then a flight was daily and that was that. I see this a lot with DL, NW, and UA when they never used to do/show that. If I'm not crazy and it is a recent trend, why have they suddenly started doing that? (It makes their PDF timetables next to impossible to read as opposed to the older ones)

Pre-2001 there were two rules the airlines lived by regarding schedules that have been jettisoned.
1) "Schedule consistency is king"
The business traveler needs to know that flight #505 will always leave at noon for Boston so he can show up at the last minute and pay through the nose for the privilege
2) "Under no circumstances can a flight be "spot canceled" for economic reasons"
For example, prior to 2001 even if a roundtrip had 5 people on both legs they would never cancel it just because the load was low. They *would* cancel it on a day-of basis to allow another flight to operate that was fuller and had a mechanical.

Most of the legacies now do a cancel program about 45 days out where they go through their whole schedule and remove every trip that they don't believe will cover variable cost. CO is the king of this. I would argue this is borderline illegal and it was always considered illegal prior to 2001, but the DOT has ignored it. I believe it is bait and switch. I often choose a flight based on schedule and then they delete it and move me. Sure you can get your money back and move to another airline, but they may not inform you of the schedule change until a few weeks before the flight (if they even tell you at all) and then the low prices are gone.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 21):
Why? You charge the price the market will bear and try to provide the right number of seats at that price. It's a sensible strategy, though it's arguably not the best one.

Sort of. I would argue that the airlines will follow this pattern if given the chance (see CVG) and it's not good for anybody long-term.

Phase 1: LCC and Legacy in market; both mainline 4/day each, fares average $100
Phase 2: LCC leaves market, Legacy immediately reduces frequency to 3 and doubles fare
Phase 3: Legacy continuously raises fares to now $300; down to 2 mainline and one RJ
Phase 4: Legacy ups fares to $350; down to 3 RJs; most of market now driving or using alternate airports; CASM triple what it was in Phase 1 and total revenue down 70-80% from
Phase 5: LCC enters market; legacy goes back to original schedule

That is a short-term strategy that doesn't work long-term and all the legacy airlines do it. The best strategy is the Walmart philosophy which is to charge the lowest possible price based upon cost (CASM) and then add 8-10% for profit. The airlines are so greedy they won't do that. That's why they have such a convoluted fare system. A system so convoluted, it's gotten to complicated for them to even manage effectively.

Quoting Rampguy (Reply 20):
What is the difference from 2.7 and 2.8 flights???????? It's still 2 flights.



Quoting Swacle (Reply 22):

The difference is about 1 weekly flight.....1 additional on Saturday or Sunday compared to previous schedule.

Thanks Swacle. Basically in that case there are 3 roundtrips, but they are not operating all three trips each day.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5518 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 23):
That is a short-term strategy that doesn't work long-term and all the legacy airlines do it. The best strategy is the Walmart philosophy which is to charge the lowest possible price based upon cost (CASM) and then add 8-10% for profit. The airlines are so greedy they won't do that. That's why they have such a convoluted fare system. A system so convoluted, it's gotten to complicated for them to even manage effectively.

I think we agree that it's not a sensible strategy, but I'm not sure bad business necessarily "smells bad."



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
25 Enilria : I think it is on the cusp of illegality, but it's hard to say. "Capacity dumping" is pretty definitely illegal, but all these things are loaded with
26 Cubsrule : That's right, but an airline could sensibly increase capacity without getting that far. That doesn't mean that capacity dumping doesn't happen, but i
27 Jsnww81 : Amen. I get a headache trying to read PDF schedules anymore. Another one of our simple enthusiast pleasures taken away from us...
28 Enilria : Basically we are arguing the definition of "capacity dumping" and sadly there is no clear definition. If there was, somebody would be prosecuted. May
29 Cubsrule : Is it that clear? Must variable cost be calculated on a per-seat basis? If I were Delta, I'd argue that as long as the flight as a whole isn't taking
30 Enilria : The law clearly says that you can't sell below cost using cross-subsidization from other routes for the purpose of injuring a competitor. That part i
31 Cubsrule : Yes - that's what it says about other routes. I'm less clear about other passengers on the same route. ...and we have to keep in mind that variable c
32 MasseyBrown : In practice, proving a company guilty of this has been very difficult. Marketing facts haven't been enough; it has generally required hard evidence o
33 DesertAir : I am happy to see UA increasing the TUS-SFO route to twice a day. UA is the only carrier that offers non-stops to the SF Bay Area. WN offered TUS-OAK
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