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Northeast (U.S.) L-1011 Order?  
User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3805 posts, RR: 29
Posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6504 times:

Sometime before they were acquired by Delta in 1972, Boston-based Northeast Airlines ordered L-1011s.

Any information and/or images (ie artists' concept drawing and/or model) concerning this subject, along with link(s) to any applicable online source(s), would be very much appreciated!

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User currently offlineCody From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1932 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6451 times:

My Dad was supposed to be in the first Northeast L1011 Flight Engineer class. Somewhere I do have an artist concept of what it was to look like and I will do what I can to find it. I also have a model of one as well. The big thing, it was supposed to have had yellow wings and horizontal stabilizers.

User currently offlineJalap From Belgium, joined Oct 2007, 355 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6390 times:



Quoting Cody (Reply 1):
The big thing, it was supposed to have had yellow wings and horizontal stabilizers

That concept immediately rings a bell  Smile

Different plane type and airline though, yet colourfully painted wings are something we hardly ever see...


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User currently offlineCatIII From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3029 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6253 times:

It would have looked just like this:


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User currently offlineJMBWEEBOY From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 266 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6101 times:

Got some great artists renderings of Northeast L1011s up in my attic. Sorry!!!!

JMBWEEBOY


User currently offlineCody From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1932 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5873 times:

I am looking at my NORTHEAST L1011 model right now. It looks similar to that photo above, but not exactly. The NE logo is further down on the tail and rests on the bottom of the rudder. The yellow area extends further down the fuselage. It totally covers the rear-most emergency exit, about 7/8's of exit 3, and continues forward across the wing, ending in a point just below the cockpit windows. The lettering in the NORTHEAST titles are spaced out a little more than the aircraft in the photo and the Yellowbird logo is on the captain's side only, just forward of the titles. Engine nacelles are bright yellow and again the tops of the wings and horizontal stabs are yellow as well. Finally, there is a black glareshield below the cockpit windows.

I don't know how to post a photo of it.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10372 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5850 times:

According to my DL history book, "Delta, the Illustrated History of a Major U.S. Airline and the People Who Made It" by R.E.G. Davies," Northeast ordered 4 L-1011s in 1968 for delivery in 1972, but these were cancelled two years later with the decision to merge with Northwest."


Northwest was to merge with Northeast, which was approved by the CAB on 31 December 1970, but stipulated that this would be conditional on the surrender of the MIA-LAX route. Northwest maintained a position of "all or nothing" and withdrew its offer on 10 March 1971.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12134 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4322 times:

My first flight was on a NE B-727 (IIRC it was a -100, but could have been a -200, all I remember was it was a B-727) back in the mid 1960s. It was from BOS-ATL-MIA. I remember their TV commericals in the BOS area, something like "come on down to Florida on us, the birds with the yellow tail".

IIRC some guys took their commerical literally and tried to fly free to FL on NE. The case ended up in court and they won as the ad did say "on us". It was changed after that to something like "fly the birds with the yellow tail to Florida".


User currently offlineJMBWEEBOY From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 266 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2734 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 7):

My first flight was on a NE B-727 (IIRC it was a -100, but could have been a -200, all I remember was it was a B-727) back in the mid 1960s. It was from BOS-ATL-MIA. I remember their TV commercials in the BOS area, something like "come on down to Florida on us, the birds with the yellow tail".

IIRC some guys took their commercial literally and tried to fly free to FL on NE. The case ended up in court and they won as the ad did say "on us". It was changed after that to something like "fly the birds with the yellow tail to Florida".

*****

I believe you are very wrong regarding Northeast flying BOS-ATL-MIA, they never served Atlanta. Surely flew Boston to Miami non-stop.

Also the court case you are refering to was pre-Yellowbird marketing. In this mid '60s Northeast advertised their Convair 880 "Superjets". Jim Dooley, a WTVJ Miami weathernman was their TV spokesperson. He would shout out in the TV ads, "Be my guest, be a Superguest" Come on Down"! It was my understanding that there was indeed a court case surrounding that ad, but that the litigants were ultimately unsuccesful.

JMBWEBOY


User currently offlineFlightopsguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2716 times:

There was a nice large model of this aircraft in NE Yellowbird colors in the Smithsonian Air and Space museum some years ago. I don't know if it's still on display. The model was likely 1/100 scale or larger. One of the most beautiful color schemes of that era on a beautiful aircraft!


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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12134 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2534 times:



Quoting JMBWEEBOY (Reply 8):
I believe you are very wrong regarding Northeast flying BOS-ATL-MIA, they never served Atlanta. Surely flew Boston to Miami non-stop.

Maybe you are right, I could have sworn the stop was in ATL. Maybe it was somewhere else, or I have that flight confused with another early flight I had on NE back some 45 + years ago. Memory isn't what it use to be. I was only about 11-13 then.

There were some flights I did fly on that were direct BOS-MIA. My family also sometimes flew DL, TW, PA, and AA. My first B-747 flight was on a DL flight to California (LAX?). I don't remember if that was tyhrough ATL, or not.


User currently offlineAnnInFL From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2515 times:

That photo of the L1011 is the plane that is about to go into the museum in Kansas City.

User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7514 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2374 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 7):
I remember their TV commericals in the BOS area, something like "come on down to Florida on us, the birds with the yellow tail".

IIRC some guys took their commerical literally and tried to fly free to FL on NE. The case ended up in court and they won as the ad did say "on us". It was changed after that to something like "fly the birds with the yellow tail to Florida".

 rotfl  Talk about a major OOPS on NE's part.

Quoting Flightopsguy (Reply 9):
There was a nice large model of this aircraft in NE Yellowbird colors in the Smithsonian Air and Space museum some years ago. I don't know if it's still on display. The model was likely 1/100 scale or larger. One of the most beautiful color schemes of that era on a beautiful aircraft!

 checkmark  More specifically, it was at the Udvar-Hazy Museum near IAD in a glass display case with other 1/100 scale models, at least in 2004-2005. Photos of it used to be found found under Google Images.

Worth noting: that NE L-1011 model there was/is shown in the original 1966 Yellowbird colors as opposed to the modified scheme (featuring Yellowbird titles on the vertical stabilizer and a bare-metal rudder) that rolled out in 1971.

Quoting Cody (Reply 5):
It looks similar to that photo above, but not exactly.

That's because the above-pic. is that of a Northeast Bolivian Airlines L-1011 that used a variation of the original NE Yellowbird scheme and lettering a few years ago. IIRC, that particular bird was a former-TW L-1011.



"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2328 times:



Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 12):
Worth noting: that NE L-1011 model there was/is shown in the original 1966 Yellowbird colors as opposed to the modified scheme (featuring Yellowbird titles on the vertical stabilizer and a bare-metal rudder) that rolled out in 1971

Are you saying that Lockheed built (rolled out) a Northeast L-1011 in 1971?

Are you saying the Rudder was bare metal?

No Northwest L-1011's were ever built.

No L-1011 was built with a bare-metal rudder. The rudder trailing edge was made of composite material and as such required paint


User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3124 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2297 times:



Quoting CatIII (Reply 3):
It would have looked just like this:

Is this the very first Eurowhite? If that's the case, shouldn't we be describing it as "Ameriwhite"?

-Rampart


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7514 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2273 times:



Quoting 474218 (Reply 13):
Are you saying that Lockheed built (rolled out) a Northeast L-1011 in 1971?

Nope, never stated such. I was referring to a 1/100 scale MODEL. You need to kindly re-read my earlier post.

Quoting 474218 (Reply 13):
Are you saying the Rudder was bare metal?

It was on some of the NE DC-9s and 727s that were repainted in 1971. See below-photos.


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Compared to the original Yellowbird scheme that first rolled out in 1966:


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Quoting 474218 (Reply 13):
No Northwest L-1011's were ever built.

No kidding. Again, I was referring to a MODEL.

Quoting 474218 (Reply 13):
No L-1011 was built with a bare-metal rudder. The rudder trailing edge was made of composite material and as such required paint

And that's all fine and dandy, but for the 3rd time, I was referring to a MODEL that I saw displayed in the museum. The display model in question featured an all-yellow tail (including the rudder) but NO Yellowbird titles as dipicted from the original Yellowbird scheme that first rolled out in 1966.

OTOH, the fore-mentioned 1971 scheme featured Yellowbird titles but did NOT feature a yellow-painted rudder.

Had the DL merger not happened and NE did indeed receive their L-1011s; the chances are that it would've been likely painted in the airline's CURRENT scheme of the day. Whether the L-1011's rudder would've been painted grey (to match the newer bare-metal rudder scheme on the DC-9s and 727s) or yellow would have been anybody's guess.



"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10372 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2072 times:



Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 15):
Had the DL merger not happened and NE did indeed receive their L-1011s; the chances are that it would've been likely painted in the airline's CURRENT scheme of the day.

If the DL/NE merger had not happened, I sincerely doubt that NE would have survived on their own.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12134 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1996 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 16):
If the DL/NE merger had not happened, I sincerely doubt that NE would have survived on their own.

Not unless they became an LCC to compete with the (then) new start-up WN (who did not fly to any NE US airport then).


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7514 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1960 times:

Quoting Mayor (Reply 16):

I was OBVIOUSLY throwing in a What If speculation scerario in there. Jeez Louise, both you and 474218 need to take a deep breath and step back a bit before replying to posts.

Having read up on NE's history (I was a bit young at the time of the merger); I became very well aware of NE's financial misfortunes thank you very much.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 17):
Not unless they became an LCC to compete with the (then) new start-up WN (who did not fly to any NE US airport then).

Doubt it. Unless you were being facetious in your post (were you?); I'm sure you're well aware that the regulated market at the time would not have allowed such action. The only reason WN (along w/PSA and Air California(?)) was able to pull it off was because ALL their flying, at the time, was contained within one state and was not subject to the CAB for approval.

From what I've read, the CAB was very critical of NE during most of its history.

[Edited 2009-10-20 12:00:56]


"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3805 posts, RR: 29
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1866 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 16):
If the DL/NE merger had not happened, I sincerely doubt that NE would have survived on their own.

Indeed throughout most of its post-WW2 history, it seems NE was "on the bink" (of going out of business) ...as, if not more, often than not... especially during the 1960s other than for a fleeting time after they were rescued (from probable bankruptcy) by a massive investment in the airline by the Storer Broadcasting Corporation.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 18):
From what I've read, the CAB was very critical of NE during most of its history.

...and also very unreasonable, it seems. While NE was classified as a major airline, when awarding new route authority, the CAB seemed determined to keep NE confined to a route network that resembled that of a local service/feeder/regional airline ...with only a few exceptions, which were largely "too little, too late."


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10372 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1720 times:



Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 19):
Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 18):
From what I've read, the CAB was very critical of NE during most of its history.

...and also very unreasonable, it seems. While NE was classified as a major airline, when awarding new route authority, the CAB seemed determined to keep NE confined to a route network that resembled that of a local service/feeder/regional airline ...with only a few exceptions, which were largely "too little, too late."

I always felt thats how we were treated at DL, also, during that same time period.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 18):
I was OBVIOUSLY throwing in a What If speculation scerario in there. Jeez Louise, both you and 474218 need to take a deep breath and step back a bit before replying to posts.

Having read up on NE's history (I was a bit young at the time of the merger); I became very well aware of NE's financial misfortunes thank you very much.

I think it may be you that needs to take a deep breath. I was merely stating my opinion (we can still do that on a.net, can't we?) based on NE's precarious financial position at the time.



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