CCA From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2002, 613 posts, RR: 9 Posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 18305 times:
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Airbus has now rolled in Toulouse, the first freighter based on the twin-engine A330 family, from the hall.
The aircraft with the serial number and the transition MSN1004 registration F-WWYE is the first copy of the new freighter version. New are a large cargo door on the left side and a modified suspension of the nose landing gear on a bead-like structure, so that the aircraft is parked on the ground horizontally.
The Airbus A330-200F can carry 64 metric tonnes over distances up to 7400 kilometers, or 69 metric tonnes over 5930 kilometers. The first flight is planned for the year end.
United787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2051 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 18147 times:
Congrats to Airbus! I am surprised there is such little fan fare with this...have all of the Euros gone to bed?
The race is on to see who flies first...A332F, 787, 748...
CCA From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2002, 613 posts, RR: 9 Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 17605 times:
Quoting Yankeejuliet (Reply 6): Excellent candidate for current MD-11 replacement markets. Wishing EADS all success.
I'm not sure how the A330 will be a MD-11F replacement, unless the operator is planning on reducing capacity to 65-70T and / or 475 cu m, a 777F would be a better replacement.
A300-600F - 48 - 54T / 391 cu m
B767-300F - 52T / 438 cu m
A330-200F - 64 - 69T / 475 cu m
MD-11F - 90T / 598 cu m
B777 - 103T / 653 cu m
B747-400F - 112 - 123T / 779 cu m
B747-8F - 134T / 858 cu m
C152 G115 TB10 CAP10 Be76 C500 A330 A340 A346 B747-200F B747-400 -400F -400BCF -400ERF Next the 747-8F
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 17757 posts, RR: 17 Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 17514 times:
Quoting SXDFC (Reply 10): Quoting AutoThrust (Reply 8):
Although the bulb at the nose wheel does not really beautify this A330F.
Agreed! What is the purpose of this anyways?
It's to lower the attachment point of the nose gear so the floor of the aircraft will be horizontal to facilitate cargo loading. The passenger A330 sits with a nose-down tilt since the main gear is longer than the nose gear.
Hamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2533 posts, RR: 61 Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 17415 times:
Congrats to Airbus!
Has anyone heard any more info on who is going to be operating this aircraft? So far, it has received 67 orders. However, only 19 are from airlines, the rest is lessors. We have:
Now, IIRC, the MatlinPatterson frames were supposed to be divided between VarigLog and World (anyone know the breakdown?). And I guess the OH Avion frames will go to Southern Air Transport for ACMI leasing, like the incoming 7 777F's. How about the rest?
AvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3 Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 17020 times:
Quoting CCA (Reply 9): I'm not sure how the A330 will be a MD-11F replacement, unless the operator is planning on reducing capacity to 65-70T and / or 475 cu m, a 777F would be a better replacement.
Both aircraft will make a great replacement; the A330 probably more so given the decline in demand around the world or cargo. The cargo business is very ugly right now.
413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 16877 times:
I think the difference will be which is cheaper price tag wise, and which is cheaper to operate
KPHXFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 413 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 16819 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 12): The passenger A330 sits with a nose-down tilt since the main gear is longer than the nose gear.
I never knew that...why does the passenger A330 sit nose down?
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 10895 posts, RR: 27 Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 16429 times:
Quoting 413X3 (Reply 17): I think the difference will be which is cheaper price tag wise, and which is cheaper to operate
Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 16): Both aircraft will make a great replacement; the A330 probably more so given the decline in demand around the world or cargo. The cargo business is very ugly right now.
The 777 is larger and has a longer range, so I'm not sure how much airlines will actually cross shop the two.
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 12): It's to lower the attachment point of the nose gear so the floor of the aircraft will be horizontal to facilitate cargo loading. The passenger A330 sits with a nose-down tilt since the main gear is longer than the nose gear.
Does the A330 MRTT/KC-45 have this too? And how would this work if they ever want to offer an conversion?
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
Danfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1705 posts, RR: 12 Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 16378 times:
Its huge! Is it me or does that look bigger than an ordinary 200. I think its all white colour and no windows helps with that illusion. Great looking aircraft.
Eagles may soar high, but weasels dont get sucked into jet engines!
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 17757 posts, RR: 17 Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 16405 times:
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 20): Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 12):
It's to lower the attachment point of the nose gear so the floor of the aircraft will be horizontal to facilitate cargo loading. The passenger A330 sits with a nose-down tilt since the main gear is longer than the nose gear.
Does the A330 MRTT/KC-45 have this too? And how would this work if they ever want to offer an conversion?
Those being built for the RAF and RAAF do not appear to have that modification.
Hamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2533 posts, RR: 61 Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 16261 times:
Quoting PM (Reply 22): It seems this is very much in doubt.
Financial trouble? IIRC, they originally wanted to begin operations @ 2007 using leased equipment. But I have not heard a word since. Weren't they supposed to be the EIS operator of the A330-200F, including this very frame? Who will take it now?
Regards,
Hamlet69
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25 Astuteman: Maybe it's just me, but IMO these days we get too used to thinking of the 787-8 and A330-200 as the smallest widebodys (with due deference to the 767
26 EPA001: That is so true! Hopefully this "paper plane mantra" will disappear from A-net. And this roll-out does not seem to be a Potemkin roll-out!
27 CCA: If the average 60 T you quote fits in the 475 cu m available on the A330 then you're correct it will be a perfect replacement, plus I think the 777F
28 MD-90: But how far can an MD-11F go with loads in that range versus an A330F (if you're talking about replacing the former with the latter)? Does anyone kno
29 Centrair: I wonder if Air Hong Kong would pick up any of these to complement their A306GFs in future expansion. Their A306GFs are only a few years old but if th
30 Flyer732: I recently operated an MD11F on a 2700 mile flight with a payload of 204,800 lbs, or 92,897 kgs.
31 Qantas744ER: Dont wanna ruin anything but AHK was looking at MD-11s from Transmile. Deal never went through, and second choice was CX 744BCFs that are currently i
32 Spacepope: Nor do they have a main deck cargo door. No word whether the KC-45 candidate will have the lump.
33 KPHXFlyer: Is there any sort of advantage to having a nose-down attitude when taking off or taxiing? Other than visibility? From what I understand, a slightly n
34 413x3: Air Hong Kong used to operate 742Fs right? Leased from Cathay I believe.
35 Francoflier: No, but it's no big inconvenient either. That's why they kept the A300 nose gear. Lower angle of attack generally speaking means lower drag, but this
36 Columba: The fact that the front of the aircraft is now a bit higher because of the longer nose gear also adds to that illusion. Possible new customers in my
37 413x3: UPS? Fedex? Both have spent a lot of money already. And with the economy slowly coming back to normal levels, why would they buy more brand new airpla
38 BMI727: UPS I doubt since they have a pretty young fleet. But FedEx may not be so far fetched. They are scheduled (according to Wikipedia anyway) to begin re
39 Columba: The idea of replacing LH MD 11 with A330Fs is not from me. It comes from within LH Cargo, at least it was a brief thought a few weeks ago.... The A33
40 413x3: any company that was thinking about replacing any fleet is now having second thoughts with the demand not picking up world wide
41 Thorben: Yes, it looks so - different at first sight. Not because of the missing windows, but because the nose is so high.
42 Burkhard: Congrats to Airbus, now up , up in the air! A beautiful plane. Maybe not the best time to launch a new cargo plane - but the A330 lines are full anywa
43 BMI727: The A330 is a little on the large side to be replacing A310s. And many of the A300s are quite young, quite a few are younger than the MD-11s actually
44 Tiger119: - I have heard that cargo flight operators are in fairly decent financial conditions than there passenger transport counter-parts. - (O/T but) FXs DC
45 413x3: Yes no more DC-10s. Lots of MD-10s still around though
46 Zeke: I think Airbus sees it a being competitive with a number of aircraft It also has reasonable range/payload With larger freighters often you only go ev
47 A380Heavy: From what I understand, most airliners cruise with a slightly nose up atitude. Going back to the MRTT's for the RAF, these are being purchased with t
48 R2rho: Not much of a race: first flight is set for beginning of november, and there is no reason why it should be delayed. If anything, the race should be 7
49 Claude: nice new bird... only i dislike the reinforcement of the nose landing gear looks like 2 big lips more. the good point is it will be easy to recognize
50 TrentXWB: Nice aircraft. But I don't like the lump at the front. Looks like the A330F has a problem with it's thyroid
51 Clydenairways: I think it should be nicknamed "the pelican"
52 Burkhard: There could be really bad weather... But other than that you cannot compare the A332F first flight to the first flight of a really new aircraft to be
53 BOACVC10: But, it could also be said to have grown a double chin
54 Lh526: I'm a big Airbus Fan, so don't take the following words as an A vs B bash, It's simply fascinating how statistics and good graphic design can fake a g
55 MD-90: I'd be very interested to see the numbers for how 5 A330F flights would cost less than 3 774F or 748F flights.
56 Zeke: It is about a 90 page document, it has a lot more detail in it than the highlights I posted. Are you in marketing ?
57 PM: Yes. But Etihad will now be the first A330F operator. So, either they'll take this PW-powered frame (which I think unlikely) or it's still looking fo
58 CCA: Different larger pic. http://sitelife.aviationweek.com/ver...ae-4074-a147-91a3fd5e7b52.Full.jpg
59 Jonathan-l: People tend to forget that a pax A330-200 has better costs per seat than a pax 747-400. This also applies to the freighter variants. Moreover, with t
60 AirbusA370: " target=_blank>http://sitelife.aviationweek.com/ver...l.jpg I hope the static ports are not affected by the hump...
61 Keesje: and A400M. Exciting times indeed. 747-8 seems to have fallen behind 2009. From the various slides it seems the 767-300BCF is the biggest competitor.
62 N14AZ: Found another picture of MSN 1004 shot from another direction. http://www.pictaero.com/en/pictures/picture,60946 I might be wrong, but when being pull
63 Keesje: Yes seems a stretched A300 with a double chin..
64 Aer Lingus: The unusual double chin make it looks more like an mini IL-76 Do they really need that hump? They could have just make the front gear longer. Not sur
65 Rheinwaldner: What would have been the prospects if the nose gear would not have been made longer? Would a cheaper, faster to-the-market A330F with the short nose g
66 BMI727: It probably isn't worth it to design a new landing gear when a fairing will do. Not enough to make a redesigned gear worth it apparently.
67 CCA: They could only make the gear longer if they moved it further aft as it would not fit in the wheel well, which would have required a major redesign.
68 Brendows: The larger tugs normally have some sort of claw that grips the front landing gear and lifts it off the ground, that may explain the angle of the fuse
69 Ups757: I don't think UPS will buy A330F since we have 27 767 coming fresh from Boeing over the next couple of years. I have some old DC8 for sale.....
70 Tiger119: http://www.boeing.com/commercial/767family/pf/pf_freighter.html "Boeing launched the 767 Freighter in January 1993, when Atlanta-based United Parcel
71 Zeke: That is a tow bare less tractor, like one of these made by Douglas. http://www.douglas-equipment.com/product_display.php?id=0000000003 Landing gear i
72 HAWK21M: How will it compare to the B767 Freighter? regds MEL...
74 PM: The A330-300F seems to be getting closer... http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...0-300f-from-cargo-integrators.html
75 N14AZ: Thanks for the link. Theoretically, it could be a little bit smaller than the one of the -200F, right? But I assume it makes no sense to develop two d
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