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User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2919 posts, RR: 30
Posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2960 times:

I post this sort of information elsewhere, but thought that some here might find it of interest. This is from the monthly T100 stats.

Remember that onboard loads are only half the picture when trying to estimate financial results, and don't say much about fare of traffic composition.

1 ……. 97.2% ….. FLL ….. PIT
2 ……. 96.6% ….. TPA ….. CAK
3 ……. 96.0% ….. MCO ….. DFW
4 ……. 95.9% ….. MCO ….. ROC
5 ……. 95.3% ….. FLL ….. IND
6 ……. 95.3% ….. MCO ….. ABE
7 ……. 95.3% ….. BWI ….. SJU
8 ……. 95.1% ….. RSW ….. BWI
9 ……. 95.1% ….. ATL ….. SJU
10 ….. 94.9% ….. MCO ….. DAY
11 ….. 94.8% ….. MCO ….. PIT
12 ….. 94.8% ….. BWI ….. LAX
13 ….. 94.7% ….. BWI ….. SEA
14 ….. 94.5% ….. MCO ….. FNT
15 ….. 94.5% ….. MCO ….. CRW
16 ….. 94.5% ….. ATL ….. LAX
17 ….. 94.4% ….. MCO ….. CAK
18 ….. 94.4% ….. MKE ….. SFO
19 ….. 94.3% ….. ATL ….. LAS
20 ….. 94.1% ….. MCO ….. BUF
21 ….. 94.0% ….. ATL ….. SFO
22 ….. 93.9% ….. MCO ….. AVL
23 ….. 93.6% ….. TPA ….. BWI
24 ….. 93.6% ….. MCO ….. TYS
25 ….. 93.6% ….. ATL ….. DEN
26 ….. 93.6% ….. ATL ….. SEA
27 ….. 93.6% ….. TPA ….. IND
28 ….. 93.4% ….. ATL ….. PBI
29 ….. 93.4% ….. MKE ….. LAS
30 ….. 93.4% ….. RSW ….. IND
31 ….. 93.4% ….. MCO ….. IND
32 ….. 93.3% ….. ATL ….. SAT
33 ….. 93.3% ….. ATL ….. ROC
34 ….. 93.1% ….. MKE ….. LAX
35 ….. 93.1% ….. MCO ….. MCI
36 ….. 93.1% ….. TPA ….. ROC
37 ….. 92.4% ….. ATL ….. DFW
38 ….. 92.2% ….. ATL ….. SAN
39 ….. 92.2% ….. ATL ….. BUF
40 ….. 92.2% ….. MKE ….. DEN
41 ….. 92.1% ….. MCO ….. MSP
42 ….. 91.9% ….. ATL ….. RSW
43 ….. 91.8% ….. SRQ ….. MDW
44 ….. 91.8% ….. ATL ….. BOS
45 ….. 91.8% ….. MKE ….. TPA
46 ….. 91.5% ….. RSW ….. CMH
47 ….. 91.5% ….. ATL ….. CLT
48 ….. 91.4% ….. PBI ….. HPN
49 ….. 91.3% ….. FLL ….. BWI
50 ….. 91.2% ….. ATL ….. TPA
51 ….. 91.1% ….. FLL ….. ABE
52 ….. 91.0% ….. MCO ….. BWI
53 ….. 90.9% ….. MKE ….. SAN
54 ….. 90.5% ….. MKE ….. SEA
55 ….. 90.3% ….. MCO ….. SJU
56 ….. 90.2% ….. LGA ….. CAK
57 ….. 90.1% ….. ATL ….. FLL
58 ….. 89.9% ….. MCO ….. DTW
59 ….. 89.7% ….. MCO ….. HPN
60 ….. 89.4% ….. ATL ….. SRQ
61 ….. 89.2% ….. ATL ….. PHX
62 ….. 88.9% ….. ATL ….. PIT
63 ….. 88.8% ….. ATL ….. LGA
64 ….. 88.8% ….. MCO ….. MDT
65 ….. 88.8% ….. MCO ….. LGA
66 ….. 88.6% ….. MCO ….. MDW
67 ….. 88.6% ….. BOS ….. PHF
68 ….. 88.6% ….. ATL ….. MCO
69 ….. 88.3% ….. MIA ….. BWI
70 ….. 87.9% ….. MCO ….. STL
71 ….. 87.8% ….. ATL ….. BWI
72 ….. 87.7% ….. SRQ ….. BWI
73 ….. 87.6% ….. ATL ….. PNS
74 ….. 87.5% ….. BWI ….. DAY
75 ….. 86.8% ….. ATL ….. DTW
76 ….. 86.8% ….. BWI ….. BOS
77 ….. 86.1% ….. ATL ….. MIA
78 ….. 86.0% ….. FLL ….. CMH
79 ….. 85.4% ….. BOS ….. CAK
80 ….. 85.3% ….. ATL ….. PHL
81 ….. 85.2% ….. ATL ….. HOU
82 ….. 85.2% ….. ATL ….. PHF
83 ….. 85.1% ….. ATL ….. MSY
84 ….. 85.0% ….. LGA ….. PHF
85 ….. 84.9% ….. ATL ….. FNT
86 ….. 84.9% ….. MKE ….. BWI
87 ….. 84.5% ….. BWI ….. DFW
88 ….. 84.5% ….. MCO ….. BMI
89 ….. 84.4% ….. ATL ….. IND
90 ….. 84.4% ….. MCO ….. PHL
91 ….. 83.9% ….. ATL ….. EWR
92 ….. 83.7% ….. ATL ….. JAX
93 ….. 83.6% ….. ATL ….. MDW
94 ….. 83.6% ….. BWI ….. ROC
95 ….. 83.1% ….. ATL ….. CAK
96 ….. 83.1% ….. ATL ….. PWM
97 ….. 82.7% ….. ATL ….. RDU
98 ….. 82.2% ….. MCO ….. PHF
99 ….. 82.1% ….. ATL ….. HPN
100 … 81.9% ….. MCO ….. CLT
101 … 81.8% ….. ATL ….. ACY
102 … 81.5% ….. BWI ….. PWM
103 … 81.4% ….. ATL ….. MCI
104 … 81.2% ….. MCO ….. RIC
105 … 80.6% ….. MCO ….. CMH
106 … 80.2% ….. ATL ….. DCA
107 … 79.8% ….. MCO ….. ACY
108 … 79.6% ….. ATL ….. DAY
109 … 79.6% ….. BOS ….. MDW
110 … 79.5% ….. MKE ….. ATL
111 … 78.7% ….. MKE ….. BOS
112 … 77.8% ….. ATL ….. CHS
113 … 77.8% ….. MKE ….. MCO
114 … 77.2% ….. MCO ….. MLI
115 … 76.7% ….. BWI ….. BTV
116 … 76.7% ….. ATL ….. MSP
117 … 76.2% ….. BWI ….. CLT
118 … 76.2% ….. ATL ….. IAD
119 … 74.7% ….. ATL ….. MEM
120 … 74.2% ….. ATL ….. STL
121 … 74.0% ….. ATL ….. CMH
122 … 72.9% ….. ATL ….. RIC
123 … 72.7% ….. RSW ….. DCA
124 … 72.2% ….. MCO ….. IAD
125 … 70.9% ….. MKE ….. MSP
126 … 69.7% ….. MKE ….. DCA
127 … 69.5% ….. ATL ….. BKG
128 … 68.1% ….. ATL ….. BMI
129 … 67.9% ….. ATL ….. MLI
130 … 65.8% ….. MKE ….. LGA
131 … 65.0% ….. ATL ….. ICT
132 … 58.3% ….. MKE ….. BKG
133 … 53.7% ….. ATL ….. MDT
134 … 51.1% ….. MKE ….. STL


Finally, for what it's worth, July continued the trend of MKE-LGA and MKE-BOS showing year-over-year decreases for AirTran, while Midwest saw increased year-over-year onboard loads. This continued in spite of AirTran increasing MKE-LGA from 3x last year to 4x this year...they still carried fewer passengers this versus last year. We have know way of knowing, however, how much either AirTran or Midwest boosted loads with connecting traffic. So this might not be cleanly correlated with success in the local market to/from Milwaukee.

MKE-BOS year-over-year traffic
-15.6% AirTran
5.8% Midwest

MKE-LGA year-over-year traffic
-5.4% AirTran (in spite of 26.8% more flights)
1.9% Midwest

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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4568 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2924 times:



Quoting Knope2001 (Thread starter):
89 ….. 84.4% ….. ATL ….. IND

Not bad that this is the worst performing route for FL out of IND. Everything else is in the 90's and its all O/D. With the addition of new routes I expect that to change this fall until BWI and LGA get established. I don't think IND-MKE will ever do well. For the IND routes I think FL has a monopoly on RSW and FLL. They compete with WN on MCO and TPA.



Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15749 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2926 times:



Quoting Knope2001 (Thread starter):
88 ….. 84.5% ….. MCO ….. BMI



Quoting Knope2001 (Thread starter):
128 … 68.1% ….. ATL ….. BMI

I can't imagine that AirTran (or DL) is making any money on the ATL route. There is just too much capacity there. It looks like DL is offering rock bottom BMI-MCO fares too.

Quoting Knope2001 (Thread starter):
134 … 51.1% ….. MKE ….. STL

Well, what a surprise.  Yeah sure Can't imagine this route going on as it is too much longer. Maybe not a complete cut, but a capacity drop seems pretty likely to me.



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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4405 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2728 times:
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Quoting MKE22 (Reply 3):
And who says MKE isn't strong? I am especially surprised at MKE-DEN being 40.. Wow! SUCK IT HATERS!!!! .... Jk, I mean.. woohoo yay MKE and FL tehe! box butthead

Strong as far as putting people in seats, but I wouldn't be so quick as far as making money.

Quoting Knope2001 (Thread starter):
132 … 58.3% ….. MKE ….. BKG

I'm actually surprised it was that high. even more shocking that it beat out STL IMO.



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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4568 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2670 times:



Quoting MKE22 (Reply 3):
And who says MKE isn't strong? I am especially surprised at MKE-DEN being 40.. Wow! SUCK IT HATERS!!!! .... Jk, I mean.. woohoo yay MKE and FL tehe! box butthead

I posted this on another site

"I'm looking at fares for next spring from MKE and I'm finding things like $59 to RSW, $84 to LAS, $81 to SFO and $89 to SEA."

You are certainly going to put butts in seats at that price. But you probably aren't going to be making much money if any money at all.



Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1046 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2385 times:



Quoting Knope2001 (Thread starter):
22 ….. 93.9% ….. MCO ….. AVL

Wow, I knew this new route was doing well (and it helps that it's not daily), but that's even better than I expected.


User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1398 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2297 times:

Thanks for the numbers, as always, Knope! Granted, I knew immediately upon seeing the thread topic that the subject would immediately revert to references of YX.  Smile

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
Well, what a surprise. Yeah sure Can't imagine this route going on as it is too much longer. Maybe not a complete cut, but a capacity drop seems pretty likely to me.

It's certainly no secret that MKE-STL was not performing well, but I found this line to be very telling...

Quoting Knope2001 (Thread starter):
120 … 74.2% ….. ATL ….. STL

Combine that with...

Quoting Knope2001 (Thread starter):
116 … 76.7% ….. ATL ….. MSP



Quoting Knope2001 (Thread starter):
125 … 70.9% ….. MKE ….. MSP

...and, of course...

Quoting Knope2001 (Thread starter):
127 … 69.5% ….. ATL ….. BKG



Quoting Knope2001 (Thread starter):
132 … 58.3% ….. MKE ….. BKG

...such that it's likely more valid to conclude that STL, MSP, and BKG are not strong markets for FL as a whole and less of a statement of the MKE operation. Even LGA and DCA are not particularly strong routes for FL out of ATL, least of all MKE.

Saying nothing of yields, but I found MKE-western destinations routes to be encouraging, at least for the developing operation there.

That said, I have no doubt that FL intends to either operate MKE with marginal profitability or expand the operations as a loss leader to bolster some of these struggling markets.

-Mike



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User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4506 posts, RR: 34
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2274 times:

"I'm looking at fares for next spring from MKE and I'm finding things like $59 to RSW, $84 to LAS, $81 to SFO and $89 to SEA."

Next spring, as in spring 2010? I'm sure you are finding those fares, this far out. That doesn't say anything about how the flights will actually do for loads/ yields when the time comes.

Glad to see an ROC route in the top 10 for loads. Not surprised it's MCO; even during a recession, it seems that everybody loves Mickey. And that's with JetBlue running a competing flight in a market that has historically supported 1-2 daily nonstops to MCO.

Jim



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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15749 posts, RR: 27
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2250 times:



Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 7):
...such that it's likely more valid to conclude that STL,

So when is FL going to start that hub in St. Louis?  Smile



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9217 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2247 times:



Quoting Knope2001 (Thread starter):
1 ……. 97.2% ….. FLL ….. PIT

That I cannot get over. Who would've thought that FL's top performing route in terms of L.F. (according to that list anyway) would have been a route to PIT?!



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2211 times:



Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 7):



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 9):
So when is FL going to start that hub in St. Louis?

Well keep in mind..STL-ATL sees 3 airlines, and STL-MCO sees 3 airlines, and STL-MKE sees 2 airlines. FL has competition on all those routes.

When AA drops STL-MCO/ATL, that should improve loads a bit for Air Tran, and STL-MKE, ya that still is out to be judged, we should see when AA drops MKE and YX replaces the route.

I think if I were FL, and I make this statement with NO knowledge of the numbers, I would hold on to STL and the current routes until end of Spring to see if the AA de-hubbing has a positive effect on FL load wise. However if the yields are just horrendous, then perhaps they should axe MKE from STL.

Alex



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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15749 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2197 times:



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 11):
I would hold on to STL and the current routes until end of Spring to see if the AA de-hubbing has a positive effect on FL load wise.

I would hang on too, and just cut one of the MKE flights and see what happens.



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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3818 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2158 times:



Quoting Knope2001 (Thread starter):
133 … 53.7% ….. ATL ….. MDT

That surprises me..... I really thought MDT's locals would step up and support this faster.

Quoting Knope2001 (Thread starter):
132 … 58.3% ….. MKE ….. BKG

Shocked it did that well.

Quoting Knope2001 (Thread starter):
15 ….. 94.5% ….. MCO ….. CRW



Quoting Knope2001 (Thread starter):
6 ……. 95.3% ….. MCO ….. ABE



Quoting Knope2001 (Thread starter):
24 ….. 93.6% ….. MCO ….. TYS



Quoting Knope2001 (Thread starter):
22 ….. 93.9% ….. MCO ….. AVL

Also great to see the new cities doing well.


User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1543 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1964 times:



Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 6):
Combine that with...

Quoting Knope2001 (Thread starter):
116 … 76.7% ….. ATL ….. MSP



Quoting Knope2001 (Thread starter):
125 … 70.9% ….. MKE ….. MSP

MSP used to be one of FL's better stations but the DL/NW merger and the economy made six daily too much. I bet it will only be five daily next summer. Regarding MSP-MKE, this route has improved a lot at least in loads. I know it's not worth much but there were actually no seats to be found out of MSP at all this past Thurs-Sun. We know the yields are horrendous though so we'll see if it stays.

Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 6):
...and, of course...

Quoting Knope2001 (Thread starter):
127 … 69.5% ….. ATL ….. BKG



Quoting Knope2001 (Thread starter):
132 … 58.3% ….. MKE ….. BKG

These are both fairly misleading. MKE-BKG only operated 2 or 3 in July before it was discontinued on July 7th. Overall it probably did worse. On the other hand ATL-BKG started operating two daily in July and it actually does pretty well now.

Quoting Knope2001 (Thread starter):
134 … 51.1% ….. MKE ….. STL

Regardless of whether FL continues to build MKE or not, I don't see how they can keep flying this route.



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User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2668 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1683 times:



Quoting Knope2001 (Thread starter):
101 … 81.8% ….. ATL ….. acy

not too shabby considering it started in mid-June....

Quoting Knope2001 (Thread starter):
107 … 79.8% ….. MCO ….. acy

actually, better than I thought with NK running 3 n/s a day ..



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