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DL Flight Lands On Taxiway At ATL?  
User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6572 posts, RR: 24
Posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 33952 times:

According to news reports, a DL flight from GIG landed on a taxiway instead of the runway while landing at ATL on Monday morning.

Anyone know more about this?

http://wsbradio.com/localnews/2009/1...delta-flight-lands-on-taxiway.html

116 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3057 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 33775 times:

Guess they landed on either Mike or November,

http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0911/00026AD.PDF

They could have thought that 27R was 27L and Mike was 27R, or they could have zoned in on 27L and thought that November was 27R.

Either way not good.



The good old days: Delta L-1011s at MSY
User currently offline727forever From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 793 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 33508 times:

I actually could see how this could happen. It is very early in the morning after an all night flight from South America, you have a medical emergency onboard and request 27R instead of the normal 27L to expedite the taxi time to the gate. The Localizer for 27R is not on so you have to land visually but the early dawn lighting is quite poor so you can't see the markings and oops.

This doesn't excuse it as a Go Around is still an option down to touchdown. I am hopeful that there is some confusion here on behalf of the FAA.

727forever



727forever
User currently offlineRbgso From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 33497 times:

Well, a 6 AM arrival would mean it landed while it was still dark, but the taxiways all have blue omnidirectional lights along their edges. I'd be interested to see the results of the investigation.

User currently offlineLuftfahrer From Germany, joined Mar 2009, 1011 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 33456 times:

This sounds unbelieveable. I would be really shocked if that was true (which I presume, but I'm waiting for an official statement). I've always thought it may work on a Cessna or similar airplanes, but a B767 landing on a taxiway without causing a major accident sounds unreal.

Normally, there are systems such as the ILS or the runway lighting to prevent from landing elsewhere. But as long as we only have this marginal information, I am holding back any unfounded speculations.



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User currently offlineCokePopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1172 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 33356 times:



Quoting Luftfahrer (Reply 4):
This sounds unbelieveable. I would be really shocked if that was true (which I presume, but I'm waiting for an official statement). I've always thought it may work on a Cessna or similar airplanes, but a B767 landing on a taxiway without causing a major accident sounds unreal.

But it has happened before....
I know a few years ago that a 734 landed in Detroit on a taxiway
and I also believe at EWR this happened as well. It does happen.


User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3057 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 33282 times:

Yes, CO 1883 landed on Taxiway Zulu at EWR a few years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_Airlines_Flight_1883

http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0911/00285AD.PDF



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User currently offlineLuftfahrer From Germany, joined Mar 2009, 1011 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 33208 times:



Quoting CokePopper (Reply 5):



Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 6):

That is impressive yet shocking. Thanks for the information. I had never thought it was "possible" for a heavy jet to land on a taxiway with virtually no damage. I guess they were lucky it didn't turn out worse! Glad that everyone got out safe in ATL as well.



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User currently offlinePhoenix9 From Canada, joined Aug 2007, 2546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 32989 times:

This may be a stupid question but:

Why didn't the ATC warn the aircraft that its approaching a taxiway instead of a runway?

Someone already mentioned the taxiway vs runway lighting....something seems fishy.



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7526 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 32971 times:



Quoting Luftfahrer (Reply 7):
That is impressive yet shocking. Thanks for the information. I had never thought it was "possible" for a heavy jet to land on a taxiway with virtually no damage. I guess they were lucky it didn't turn out worse! Glad that everyone got out safe in ATL as well.

Often times at smaller airports with one runway or just a couple if there is runway construction they turn the taxiway into the runway... its a lot thinner but happens, FAR did it a few years ago.



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 32782 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 9):
Often times at smaller airports with one runway or just a couple if there is runway construction they turn the taxiway into the runway... its a lot thinner but happens, FAR did it a few years ago.

As did RSW, but they did quite a lot of work on the taixway prior to using it as the runway.

Quoting Phoenix9 (Reply 8):
Why didn't the ATC warn the aircraft that its approaching a taxiway instead of a runway?

Not as easy as one may think. The angle that most towers are located relative to the runway doesn't always provide a controller the best perspective if the airplane is lined up with the runway centerline.

Using the RADAR display in the tower doesn't always give fool proof data either. Depending on how close the parallel taxiway is to the intended landing runway and what range the display in the tower was set the RADAR target may appear to be very near the runway centerline.



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User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 32318 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 9):
Often times at smaller airports with one runway or just a couple if there is runway construction they turn the taxiway into the runway... its a lot thinner but happens, FAR did it a few years ago.

They did it at PAFI this year and it wiped out Fairbanks as an ETOPS alternate until construction was completed.

I would think the blue taxi lights would be a give away, plus the fact that the approach lighting would be absent as well. But, as noted, it's happened before and will probably happen again. Aircraft have landed at the completely wrong airport before so should anyone be surprised? Thankfully nobody was on the taxiway.


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15692 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 32274 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 9):
Often times at smaller airports with one runway or just a couple if there is runway construction they turn the taxiway into the runway... its a lot thinner but happens, FAR did it a few years ago.

That is what they did after Mayor Daley carved up Meigs Field to get the planes out.



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User currently offlineBushman From Russia, joined Jan 2007, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 31585 times:

I know at least one more airliner landing on a taxiway.
It was Tu-154M of Aeroflot performing an approach to Barcelona - El Prat. They made an approach to the taxiway mistakenly thinking it was a runway, performed a go-around, then approached that taxiway again and landed on it  Smile
I'm now trying to find a link or any info about date.


User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3424 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 31382 times:



Quoting Bushman (Reply 13):
They made an approach to the taxiway mistakenly thinking it was a runway, performed a go-around, then approached that taxiway again and landed on it

 rotfl 

I know I shouldn't be laughing, but approaching a taxiway, presumably realizing the mistake, going around, and approaching and actually landing on the same taxiway again on the second approach, that just cracks me up!


User currently offlineBushman From Russia, joined Jan 2007, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 31383 times:

Found the information in English:
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...anish-examine-taxiway-landing.html


User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 31303 times:



Quoting Phoenix9 (Reply 8):
Someone already mentioned the taxiway vs runway lighting....something seems fishy.

I don't quite understand. It was an error that theoretically shouldn't happen.......but unfortunately it does happen. Why should there need to be something "fishy" about it (and which implies something sinister)???


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 31205 times:



Quoting Rbgso (Reply 3):
Well, a 6 AM arrival would mean it landed while it was still dark, but the taxiways all have blue omnidirectional lights along their edges.



Quoting Phoenix9 (Reply 8):
Someone already mentioned the taxiway vs runway lighting....something seems fishy.

Correct. TWELs are blue, TWCLLs are green. All runway lights are white, except the last 2000' of the RWELs are amber, 3000'-1000' remaining of the RWCLL alternate red and white, and the last 1000' of RWCLLs are all red. The runway threshold lights are green for approaching aircraft and red for departing aircraft or those rolling out.

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 6):
Yes, CO 1883 landed on Taxiway Zulu at EWR a few years ago.

It also happened at DFW back in the mid 1990s. A UA B-737 landed on Twy F.


User currently offlineBalZ18 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 31033 times:

Wait ya'll didn't hear?! This is just another ploy to save gas! Why use the runway when oyu don't have to? Haha  drool 


First class or no class...
User currently offlineBushman From Russia, joined Jan 2007, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 31040 times:

They actually didn't presume a mistake at all. They notices a plane on the taxiway, reported the runway was occupied and that was a reason for go-around. On the second approach the taxiway was fortunately vacant and they landed there. Some construction works being performed before the runway could be the reason for wrong approach.
Source in Russian here: http://www.airdisaster.ru/database.php?id=6


User currently offlineMcdu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1448 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 31035 times:



Quoting 727forever (Reply 2):
The Localizer for 27R is not on so you have to land visually but the early dawn lighting is quite poor so you can't see the markings and oops.

The runway has white centerline lights and edge lights. The taxiway lights are blue. When this flight arrived it was still completely dark at 0600. The lighting would actually be more beneficial than if they were landing on the 9's with the sun coming up. Going to be interesting to see the details on this one but it does bring to mind the whole top ten list about delta mishaps from several years ago.

http://www.anvari.org/shortjoke/Avia...lines-from-david-letterman-10.html

Those that don't remember some of these reference DL when they had a string of incidents. One of those was a double engine shutdown by the pilots on a flight from LAX to CVG shortly after takeoff. A DL jet that landed in Frankfort KY instead of LEX, And a DL L1011 that had a gross nav error over the Atlantic that put them in close proximity to a CAL flight. So close that some pax took a pic of the DL flight crossing the path of the CAL flight. The going joke over the Atlantic for many years was that if you were unsure of your position and saw a DL flight on the tracks, you should turn 90 degrees to the DL track and you should be on course........


User currently offlineAirzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1197 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 30888 times:

Of course you can't forgot China Airlines took off from a taxiway at ANC.


CI A340 Took Off From ANC's Taxiway, Not Runway! (by Bobcat Jan 26 2002 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12396 posts, RR: 37
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 29890 times:



Quoting Airzim (Reply 21):
Of course you can't forgot China Airlines took off from a taxiway at A

Are you sure that was a taxiway; I recall that they took off from a runway, just the wrong one - and a considerably shorter one, so much so that they brushed a mound of snow on climbout.

Quoting Mcdu (Reply 20):
Those that don't remember some of these reference DL when they had a string of incidents. One of those was a double engine shutdown by the pilots on a flight from LAX to CVG shortly after takeoff. A DL jet that landed in Frankfort KY instead of LEX, And a DL L1011 that had a gross nav error over the Atlantic that put them in close proximity to a CAL flight. So close that some pax took a pic of the DL flight crossing the path of the CAL flight

Ah the Summer of '87 ... memories! I believe all the crews involved in those incidents were invited to consider early retirement (to phrase it as gently as possible) ... something the crew in the current situation might be reflecting on.

Also, I recall that a CO 757 landed on a taxiway parallel to the short, crosswind runway at EWR, either last year or the year before.


User currently offlineAirzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1197 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 29773 times:

Definitely a taxiway

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20020125-0


User currently offlineLuftfahrer From Germany, joined Mar 2009, 1011 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 29379 times:



Quoting Airzim (Reply 21):
Of course you can't forgot China Airlines took off from a taxiway at ANC.

In the meantime a new system has been developed to prevent that from happening.
I forgot what its name was, but you can see its functions in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCG78GUpIf8
There is a callout played when the runway is about to be reached and when the aircraft has taxied into position. Similar thing on landing- the runway the a/c is approaching is announced, and on rollout the remaining distance to the end of the runway. Maybe I or someone else can find a video.
This should basically rule out taking off from (or landing on) taxiways.



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25 Post contains links 71Zulu : Here's another article on it, http://www.ajc.com/news/delta-flight-lands-on-167519.html and looks like the landed on Mike. The article says touchdown
26 Post contains links Viscount724 : In addition to the CI 343 that took off from a taxiway at ANC in 2002 (and only barely made it into the air as the taxiway was much shorter than the
27 RobertS975 : There are several instances where an airliner actually landed at the wrong airport! I believe a UA DC8 once landed at Opa Locka while trying for MIA.
28 Viscount724 : There are dozens of "wrong airport" landing incidents. Apart from the 1987 DL 737 incident you mention, DL 727s landed at the wrong airport twice in
29 NWAESC : DAL: "ATL tower, Delta 60 heavy's with you on final" ATL Tower: "Just park 'er anywhere."
30 TrnsWrld : Posted by Phoenix9 "This may be a stupid question but: Why didn't the ATC warn the aircraft that its approaching a taxiway instead of a runway? Someon
31 DALMD88 : They actually did this in ATL a few years back. I can't remember which one, it was one of the south runways. They ripped out the entire runway and la
32 Phelpsie87 : My favorite quote from the article: "Pilots are trained to land on the runway," Bergen says. Awesome....
33 Matheus : Not long ago a TP A340 landed on the taxiway in GRU. It was approaching for runway 27L on late afternoon and landed on taxiway B. The pilots taxied to
34 SuseJ772 : I thought the same thing. What a stupid statement.
35 DeltaMD90 : I could see them losing their jobs over this. This is a huge safety risk. Some people ask why pilots get paid so much since the plane mostly flies its
36 Gonzalo : I certainly don't want to look harsh with the crew involved, and I think is fair to expect the final report from the FAA ( or the NTSB ? ), but in cas
37 Post contains links ULMFlyer : Not exactly the same thing, but here's what a night landing on RWY 26R at ATL looks like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72T701ZfBKE
38 IAHFLYR : Much the same as yourself, see reply # 10! There is nothing in the least funny with an incident such as this. Just think if the taxiway had been clos
39 JAAlbert : Aero Mexico or Mexicana landed on the taxi way in Tucson several years back also. Everytime I have been to ATL the taxi ways have been filled with pla
40 Srbmod : It was 27L/9R that was the runway in question. They used Taxiway November as a temporary runway. This was definitely a major screwup, regardless of t
41 Flylku : I am not a controller but I do not believe they follow every aircraft visually to touchdown. I do not see how they could at even a small airport with
42 Gonzalo : I agree, believe me !!... but some others here talk about this like a funny and irrelevant confusion ( which is NOT ) that's what I mean in my first
43 DonnieCS : My company policy is when given a visual, we always back up with the ILS or GPS when available (basically for runway verification purpose). I know ATL
44 Azjubilee : OMG people! Stop trying to make excuses and justify this blunder! It doesn't matter how many times this has happened before. It was an inexcusable inc
45 Phoenix9 : I am not trying to blame the controllers here. Just trying to understand that in a system of so many checks and balances, how did this get through? I
46 Cell7481 : I am glad no one got hurt in this major screw up. Being based in ATL its pretty scary for me. I do know one thing that has bothered me before is ATL s
47 JohnJ : Perhaps the crew are fans of Bell X1 and their album "Blue Lights on the Runway" - the same lyric is featured in their popular song "The Great Defecto
48 Kraw : Twy M looks pretty funny with the skid marks on it... actually, it was Twy R. You can still see the faint outline of markings on the shoulder
49 TrnsWrld : I still dont see how you think ATC should have been able to tell. Yes they see many many planes land everyday. But think about this, a runways main t
50 Micstatic : Why don't they do this? One would think there must be some sort of valid explanation? Nevertheless, if they have a deficiency, one would think the co
51 Srbmod : I must have killed that brain cell that contained that fact, as I thought it was November, not Romeo. Looking at the Google Earth historical image of
52 MCOatc : I know it might seem that way, but you haven't spent very much time in a large tower cab. Yeah I can look out the window and tell if you're high or l
53 FlyPNS1 : Thankfully, ATL is relatively quiet at 6am.
54 Micstatic : I'll tell you one thing. The CVR must be interesting as hell on this one.
55 MCOatc : I know we don't have the sequenced flashers on unless the visibility necessitates it, and the explanation for step 1 lighting would be that it's what
56 Jawed : Does anyone have the radio transmission between pilot and ATC from this incident? I wonder what ATC said. "Uhm... Delta 60... WTF are you doing?"
57 IAHFLYR : You should buy it because of the simple fact that is is ture! There are situations where you simply can't tell no matter how many landings you've wit
58 FLFlyGuy : It is particularly scary that this happened at ATL. You could almost......ALMOST...... understand if this was an unfamiliar airport that the crew had
59 Jbmitt : Suppose this was a medical emergency- with the emergency involving a member of the flight crew-pilot. The flight should have been crewed with 3 pilots
60 RobertS975 : Three pilots on this long stage length flight. The inner runways are often used for redeye arrivals as there really are no departures to speak of unt
61 71Zulu : This was posted by a DL pilot on another board and could be exactly how it happened:
62 Azjubilee : More proof that we can't let ATC back us into a corner and feel rushed. By sidestepping they probably saved very little time. It's easy to bite what a
63 XFSUgimpLB41X : Chill out... no one is trying to justify them. Sounds like a little regional envy here... It was a royal f-up.... there are many reasons for it happe
64 FlyDeltaJets : ATL has taxiway centerline lights, and those lights are green correct? ATL has runway centerline lights, and those lights are white and red toward the
65 Post contains links Thrufru : It happens at SFB with quite a bit of regularity. Taxiway B is between 9L/27R and 9C/27C. Bravo is 100' wide, whereas the center runway is miniscule.
66 AirNZ : Sorry, but I don't see that you're understanding at all and, with all due respect, you're playing the modern blame-game of someone has to be at fault
67 Phoenix9 : If you read my post in reply 45, I am not trying to blame anyone but merely trying to understand how a wrong approach slipped through the cracks. Yet
68 Rbgso : I'll have to look for the skidmarks on the taxiway next time I'm in ATL. Should be easy to spot.
69 Archer : As a novice pilot I landed on a taxiway at PIT many years ago. Later I realized there should be the large numbers that indicate the runway such as 28
70 Birdbrainz : I'm surprised that a DL crew would do this at their own home airport. You'd think that of all the airports they're most familiar with, it would be KAT
71 ATCtower : The lighting is quite different from a runway.... Even a student pilot should be able to tell the difference between a runway and a taxiway under VFR
72 Azjubilee : XFSU - I am just pointing out the incredible double standard in the media, on this forum and by pilots from the majors.  Had this been at a regional
73 RobertS975 : I agree that this episode speaks for itself... it ended without a tragedy, but this could have easily turned into another Tennerife with hundreds of d
74 IAHFLYR : So here is my question. We have an airplane landing with three pilots all on the flight deck and if the reports are correct, they accepted a side-step
75 Post contains images XFSUgimpLB41X : I wouldn't assume this.... Now, connect the dots- medical emergency and there "may" not have everyone on the flight deck. Oh, and it was IOE for the
76 XFSUgimpLB41X : There's also a considerable bias from regional guys to try to point fingers and throw stones as quickly as possible to the majors. A jealousy of sort
77 Azjubilee : Get over yourselves! There is no jealously here what-so-ever. Simply put, in this day and age double standards run rampant as it is in this case. If i
78 727forever : Really?? Really, I had no idea. Wow, thanks for clearing that one up for me. I guess in my 15,000+ landings I just never noticed. As someone else sta
79 XFSUgimpLB41X : Like I said, no excuses here. When Colgan crashed, my first assumption was a problem with the aircraft and icing. The farthest from my mind was what
80 Azjubilee : It's not childish, it's calling a spade a spade. You still haven't answered my question... How can anyone be jealous of this? Do you honestly think we
81 XFSUgimpLB41X : You're assuming I'm saying the jealousy is in regard to landing on a taxiway. How can you even make that jump?
82 FlyPNS1 : I do wonder at what point did the pilots realize they were on the taxiway? Could they have done a go-around? While I realize they had an emergency on
83 ATCtower : Im not trying to get into a pissing match here, but perhaps you may need 15001 landings. I am quite aware ATL will often dim the lights at times, but
84 XFSUgimpLB41X : This is exactly why it's so important to not fly fatigued. You do weird things.
85 Jamesjimlb : Had to be Mike or November, maybe even Lima? This brings back the CO flight and the AA flight that landed on the taxiway. Is there a significant diffe
86 Victrola : So what has happened to commercial pilots in the past who have done this? Is this a career ender?
87 Kraw : not only that, but they are the new LED's (maybe a year old?).. not the old dim lights. There is NO WAY they could be mistaken for another color
88 Gonzalo : IIRC, in the case of CO 1883 both pilots were grounded, re-trained, and back to line. The "usual" action in previous incidents like this is to modify
89 CatIII : Then the PIC (which is the LCA actually, although he was ill) shoud have had the airplane diverted. They overflew how many online stations? It's thei
90 Post contains links CatIII : From the NTSB website: http://www.ntsb.gov/Pressrel/2009/091021b.html NTSB Advisory National Transportation Safety Board Washington, DC 20594 October
91 Baw2198 : I haven't read anything in this thread that ATC strong armed the pilot into taking the other runway. All the controller did was OFFER the pilot anoth
92 IAHFLYR : I am connecting the dots just fine!!! And yourself? But help me connect a few more please!! During a medical emergency how often does a flight deck cr
93 XFSUgimpLB41X : Nah, you aren't, haha. THe LCA was the one that was sick.
94 XFSUgimpLB41X : There are a number of questions to be answered, and some serious mistakes that were made. The illness was progressive in nature. From the LCA simply
95 FlyLKU : I've only made a few tower visits but I think you will find that even if you were looking at the threshold of a runway, at some airports the angles a
96 727forever : People seem to not be reading all that I am writing. I am saying there is no excuse. However, I am saying that we need to find out why they did what
97 XFSUgimpLB41X : They all had the fish.
98 Mir : What do the WN runway overrun in BUR, the AA crash in LIT, and AA965 in Colombia all have in common? A last minute runway change. Definitely not some
99 Airlinespotter : Then why do we have ATC for? According to what you are saying then planes could mistakenly land using taxiways lots of time. My 2cents.
100 Saab2000 : The primary function of ATC is to provide separation of aircraft in controlled airspace. Their job is not to hold my hand and make sure I don't land
101 IAHFLYR : Well at least I started to connect them after that post, found the LCA was the ill person so now it is all one big blob! Did you really ask that ques
102 FlyDeltaJets : I can only speak for JFK and the taxiway lights are definatly not de-activated.
103 ATCtower : Just as Saab200 said, we are there to provide separation in controlled airspace. We are not there to hold your little hand and make sure you know how
104 Gonzalo : You're right, the last minute runway change is a contributing factor in this incident for sure. It's a known fact that there are certain situations t
105 727forever : The green taxiway centerline lights work, but the side lights have been de-activated and replaced with blue reflectors on just about the entire airpo
106 RobertS975 : Perhaps in the daytime, Saab2000, but this incident occurred in the dark of night, not even a glimmer of light on the eastern horizon, about one and
107 Kraw : how is it the airports/controlers fault a pilot landed on the wrong runway/taxiway? Lights wouldn't make a difference. What's there is what's suppose
108 Gonzalo : I never said that. I clearly put the controllers out of the equation, and clearly mentioned the "authorities of ATL". All I'm saying is, this is one
109 Kraw : ok, so, how are the authorities for ATL at all to blame for a pilot landing where they shouldn't? Everything on that airport is up to part 139 standa
110 DiscoverCSG : Yeah... I highly doubt that, even if the chart was open and visible to the crew in this situation, they were actually looking at it. Many street maps
111 Saab2000 : Again, I'm not making excuses for what happened, but I can kind of see how it happened. But you're right, It should be quite obvious, even more so at
112 Flybyguy : I don't understand how this mistake can happen. I've flown about a dozen times at night as a low time private pilot and could always tell the differen
113 Evan767 : Flew through ATL this evening and could've sworn I saw a distinct pair of "skidmarks" on taxiway M.
114 Mpdpilot : I just wanted to add my 2 cents. First, every checkride I have been on I have been the PIC. The checkairman has never been the PIC. The FAA even says
115 XFSUgimpLB41X : The check airman was sick, first off. We're talking about airlines and not an FAA checkride. There are disputing accounts as to whether it was a spec
116 XFSUgimpLB41X : Something to note, the inboard runways at ATL are primary departure runways- the ILS is rarely turned on, unless you ask for it. I've asked for it to
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