WorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8326 times:
As part of a series of agreements with Skywest, including loans and potential payment deferrals by United, ASA will begin flying 13 a/c for UA.
ST. GEORGE, Utah, Oct. 20 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- SkyWest, Inc. ("SkyWest") (Nasdaq: SKYW - News) announced today that it has reached an agreement with United Air Lines, Inc. ("United") that provides operational funding to United, extends the current code-sharing relationship between SkyWest Airlines, Inc., ("SkyWest Airlines") a wholly-owned subsidiary of SkyWest and creates the opportunity to develop a new relationship with Atlantic Southeast Airlines, Inc. ("ASA"), another wholly-owned subsidiary of SkyWest
Skymiler From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 471 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8256 times:
Quoting WorldTraveler (Thread starter): This would appear also to reduce the number of a/c ASA is operating for DL.
This would be a good thing in order to reduce the congestion and gate/delay issues that ASA faces daily in ATL.
Frankly, some of us would much prefer to have DL mainline instead of ASA .. with no disrespect intended toward ASA staff in ATL, out of TLH we have a lot of trouble with late flights -- just check the recent FAA statistics for most delayed!
NorCal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2383 posts, RR: 5 Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8259 times:
Quoting WorldTraveler (Thread starter): This would appear also to reduce the number of a/c ASA is operating for DL.
If I remeber correctly ASA is losing something like 15-20 CRJs from the Delta system in the Spring anyways so these are simply being relocated to UAX. Skywest Inc. just managed to buy their way into a contract. I wonder if they financially muscled Mesa out of the way to do this?
Hiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2123 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8178 times:
50 seaters are a lot like the relative that came to stay the weekend and never left...great initially but the welcome is wearing out. (ask Indy air) 70 and up are more efficient/comfortable by far and airlines would be adding them left and right except for scope clauses but enough of them are getting in to find routes for the 50's tougher....note the SKW just took 4 or 5 cities in Michigan as EAS from Delta...and are using 50 seaters to boot. Is that what the ASA birds are for? Another thread regarding DAB celebrations quoted a SKW official stating they were looking at running more Fla to IAD trips for UAX...is that what the ASA birds are for? (rumors of SKW into Florida have been around for years...increased lately because of 3M issues with CO and with CO joining Star would make it more attractive for SKW to come in...they could serve US CO and UA as well as LH, TAM, and TACA at gateways).
Bhmdiversion From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 445 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8080 times:
I've heard through the grapevine that ASA will operate out of the IAD hub. Just a rumor, but it's out there...
OB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2975 posts, RR: 8 Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7910 times:
Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 3): Another thread regarding DAB celebrations quoted a SKW official stating they were looking at running more Fla to IAD trips for UAX...is that what the ASA birds are for? (rumors of SKW into Florida have been around for years...increased lately because of 3M issues with CO and with CO joining Star would make it more attractive for SKW to come in...they could serve US CO and UA as well as LH, TAM, and TACA at gateways).
I wouldn't mind seeing an increase in frequency on IAD-MIA, especially if it was an evening departure.
Devildog2222 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 141 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7728 times:
United airlines employees must be thanking OO employees for helping keep UA alive. Skywest is loaning money to UA to basically help them stay away from Chp.11. Skywest has a lot of money to help out a mainline airline.
JayDub From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7612 times:
For now, they're CRJ2's coming from EV's existing fleet. I believe, later on, they could turn those to CRJ7's if they can get the airframes on the property.
Devildog2222 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 141 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7600 times:
I know that part is crazy. I know of some people that have been doing a lot of traveling, there paying $500, and even over $1,000.
I wonder if this big loan will keep OO stations safe from being taken over by UA ground handlers? I'm sure the answer is no.
CalibansA333 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 207 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7514 times:
Why doesn't United put more effort into getting their own aircraft to fly these domestic routes? Correct me if I am wrong, but flying UA mainline service out of small airports would be a lot better, it could certainly improve their image. When someone flies a short hop on UAX via skywest, then their image of United is totally warped. Just something to think about. Personally I don't see the positive side of using these small carriers.
AvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3 Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7502 times:
Is this flying replacing a certain Express carrier?
NorCal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2383 posts, RR: 5 Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7379 times:
Quoting AvConsultant (Reply 13): Is this flying replacing a certain Express carrier?
There have been rumors of this flying replacing the flying Mesa currently does for United. Don't know if that is true or not, we'll probably know more in the coming weeks.
Enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6157 posts, RR: 12 Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7373 times:
This term loan thing smells of desperation at UA. They must be in deep ^&^%& liquidity-wise to do a deal like this. It locks them into more 50 seaters they don't really want. The interest rate is also pretty terrible considering it is a routine business partner.
AvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3 Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7244 times:
Quoting Enilria (Reply 16): It locks them into more 50 seaters they don't really want. The interest rate is also pretty terrible considering it is a routine business partner.
I'm wondering if UA is headed for Ch11.
I was thinking the same thing!! With other carriers pushing 50 seaters out and this deal is inked does not make sense. All at the same time with UA borrowing against their fleet for financing. Very odd.
I've posted several times, we are in survival mode and the ones with the deepest pockets will survive.
I asked who is covering this flying? If it is Mesa I can somewhat understand. However, ASA's cost are higher than Mesa's. Maybe Skywest is trying to get some revenue out of these -200's who knows.
Apodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3652 posts, RR: 6 Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7123 times:
UA had an RFP out for flying, that I thought was for more 70 seat lift. Is this ASA deal the result of the RFP, or is this something else that has happened, with the RFP still out there?
FlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6088 posts, RR: 25 Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7024 times:
Quoting Enilria (Reply 16): I'm wondering if UA is headed for Ch11.
Maybe, though the 3Q09 numbers UAL posted really aren't the numbers of a carrier heading toward BK. Of course, the next 2 quarters will be rougher.
However, if SKYW believed that UA was headed toward imminent BK, it's kind of odd they would want to sign this deal which further exposes them to UA.
Also, not announced in this press release, is that SKYW gets first crack at potentially operating as many as 30 "large turboprops" for UA.
Quoting Enilria (Reply 16): It locks them into more 50 seaters they don't really want.
They may not want them, but SKYW may be willing to offer them a pretty good deal to keep these planes flying. Part of this deal is as much desperation on SKYW's part as it is UA. SKYW knows there are too many 50 seaters in the industry and is trying to keep as many in the air as possible.
Quoting Apodino (Reply 18): Is this ASA deal the result of the RFP, or is this something else that has happened, with the RFP still out there?
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25869 posts, RR: 79 Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7025 times:
Quoting Devildog2222 (Reply 7): United airlines employees must be thanking OO employees for helping keep UA alive. Skywest is loaning money to UA to basically help them stay away from Chp.11. Skywest has a lot of money to help out a mainline airline.
Honestly, given all the money UA has paid OO over the years, often to its detriment, perhaps those thank yous should be going the other way.
Quoting CalibansA333 (Reply 12): Why doesn't United put more effort into getting their own aircraft to fly these domestic routes?
They don't have enough aircraft at this point, especially now with the 737 retirement.
Quoting Mir (Reply 14): Skywest has very good service on their flights.
Not particularly. I generally find Brasilia service better than on the RJ, but I'm not a huge fan of either.
Quoting CalibansA333 (Reply 12): Personally I don't see the positive side of using these small carriers.
Regionals are kind of like crack. The legacies had their first taste and loved it. Now they spend more and more money on more and more RJ flying trying to get that high again, and all it does is cost them money.
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DC8Fanjet From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 383 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6896 times:
Quoting Devildog2222 (Reply 7): United airlines employees must be thanking OO employees for helping keep UA alive. Skywest is loaning money to UA to basically help them stay away from Chp.11. Skywest has a lot of money to help out a mainline airline.
Hardly...the amount involved is barely more than petty cash for a company the size of
United..Skywest (ASA) has airplanes they are stuck with, and wanted homes for them.
UA was willing, for a price.
Slcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2483 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6851 times:
I dont think anyone thinks that UA Bankrupcy is going to happen that soon that skywest needs to worry about them as a company
I think UA will reduce DEN and will replace mainline with RJs on some routes. They wont try to compete for the O&D as much in DEN and go after higher fare paying connecting customers. If anything i see UA going more regional in a place like DEN so skywest should be safe. Sure UA seat per mile will go up with RJs but they will shift to connecting passenger traffic which pays a higher fare and try to compete less with Southwest and Frontier for O&D passengers. Constant fare matching on routes when their costs are significantly higher is a bad equation for DEN O&D for UA and this might be what southwest is pushing for by it large expansion at DEN
FWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3220 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6771 times:
Quoting Bhmdiversion (Reply 5): I've heard through the grapevine that ASA will operate out of the IAD hub. Just a rumor, but it's out there...
Wonder if this means the long-rumored IAD-FWA and even-longer-rumored IAD-SBN flights will finally come to fruition? They have to place those Climb-Restricted Jets somewhere...
DC8Fanjet From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 383 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6773 times:
Quoting Slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 22): Constant fare matching on routes when their costs are significantly higher is a bad equation for DEN O&D for UA
If you take a look at the quarterly, you'll see that United's costs are NOT
much higher. That explains the reasonably good performance for 3rd qtr.
25 KGAIflyer: Yes, but IAD-MIA is currently *all* S5 and all *E70*. That's a very long ride in a CR-2.
26 KGAIflyer: And without the Y+ product and the usual 6 F class seats, 1Ks and Premiers will be rioting.
27 DurangoMac: How do we know that it's replacing anyone else. I would highly surprised if replaces any 66 seat or more flying from other carriers. I have a suspici
28 Srbmod: ASA doesn't operate the E-170s, and all of the CRJ-700s are still earmarked for DL Connection operations. As mentioned earlier, EV is losing some DL
29 N7371f: ASA is losing 20 CRJ-200's in 2010 that are currently flying for Delta (but owned/leased by ASA). This deal with United is for 13 active CRJ-200's and
30 Cubsrule: It almost has to. There has been no - repeat ZERO - indication that any 66 seat aircraft are leaving the United Express fleet. That said, we do know
31 AVLAirlineFreq: I probably missed this earlier, but is this simply reduced flying for ASA that is being picked up by another DL Connection carrier, or does it reflec
32 RJFLYER: Alright here's the scoop - I'm an insider We had to park 20 RJ 200s in order to be awarded 10 RJ 900s last year. The United flying will start with 8 J
33 Pilotpip: Good to hear for my friends at ASA. Hopefully they recall some pilots for this. Probably means a loss of flying for Mesa or TSA unless this is simply
34 XPFG: Not to OO, though. SkyWest has a separate agreement and is excluded from the nickel and diming the other carriers are getting.
35 LAXintl: Per todays earning call, the announced ASA flying is not going to be used as added incremental UAX capacity, but instead basically replacement capacit
36 NorCal: From what I've heard it is supposed to be something like 46 new RJs to help replace the 737 fleet right?
37 FlyPNS1: No offense, but your baggage handling stunk even when it was done by ASA. ASA's baggage handling and on-time numbers have stunk for a long time (+10
38 DurangoMac: This is airport and ground handler related, ATL is horrible for delays, people think ORD is bad, ATL is worse. Now that ORD has opened the new runway
39 Goldenshield: Not for the little things. However, SkyWest (and ASA) employees pay more than other carriers so that they can keep priority on their own aircraft. Th
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