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US Airlines In CPH And AMS  
User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 2 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2137 times:

I know that TWA flew to AMS out of JFK and STL
NWA currently flies AMS out of JFK and DTW
CO probably flies there out of EWR to both cities.
But what about the other airlines like PA, UAL, AA, ETC
I 've heard that US Airlines weren't turning too much of a profit at CPH which is why they codeshared with SAS or another airline flying there as their planes werehalf empty. Can anyone care to take a stab?


"FUIMUS"
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User currently offlineTR From UK - England, joined May 2001, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (13 years 2 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2096 times:

No US airlines fly into CPH these days. All who tried simple had to give up to the competition from SAS. Air Canada is the only North American airline offering scheduled services with B767-200 to CPH from YYZ in Star Alliance codeshare with SAS. 5 times weekly in winter and daily in summer. Delta was the last US airline to operate into CPH with their daily service from JFK. This service has no been moved to ARN but I´ve heard that they will have to "surrender" from there as well leaving only American Airlines operation from ARN to ORD on a daily basis. Northwest tried to operate from OSL to MSN with DC-10 but they were not able to make any profit and suspended the service again. The problem for US airlines is that SAS has what you might call a monopol in the skies over Scandinavia. This means that SAS can take very high prices for passengers connecting to other cities than ARN, CPH and OSL. With SAS operating all of it long haul flights out of Copenhagen - exept for the ARN-EWR, ARN-ORD and OSL-EWR routes - I guess most US airlines do not want to open the battle. And with Star Alliance partners United Airlines and Air Canada/Canadian on the "American side" and SAS and Lufthansa in Europe most travellers have exellent connection to all over these continents. However we would love to have more US airlines flying into CPH - but I think we have to think of the old days with Pan Am, Northwest Orient, TWA etc.

Almost forgot - we do see World Airways MD-11s quite often in summer months when they fly in cruise passengers for Baltic Sea cruises. Copenhagen has the largest number of cruise ships departing for cruises in the Baltic Sea region.

Cheers
Thomas


User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2080 times:

Thank you for the info TR. I'd like to hear about the other forum members opions about this topic. By the way; when did NWA fly to CPH and when did they pull out? What about TWA,CO,DL at AMS along with the other airlines like PA, AA,etc


"FUIMUS"
User currently offlineARN From Sweden, joined Feb 2001, 262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2072 times:

NWA had a series of different operations to CPH from late 70s through early 90s. New York aswell as Minneapolis and Detroit were served. (Detroit was a onestop-service)The latest service was with DC10-equipment to Boston. Tower Air did pull out a couple of years later and as TR pointed out Delta switched their operations to ARN some years ago. I guess it is tough in CPH given the competition from SK but I am sure that CO will start up in the nearest future.

User currently offlineGOT From Sweden, joined Dec 2000, 1912 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2065 times:

There is in fact another US airline that operates to Scandianvia - FedEx. They aren't flying people but anyway Big grin.

GOT



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User currently offlineGardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1520 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2058 times:

I also recall Pan Am flying sometime in the 80s to Oslo and to Bergen as well, very surprisingly.
Apparently CO are looking at Scandinavia, mainly Oslo, but probably also CPH and ARN. So fingers crossed.


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2052 times:

AA never operated to AMS. They complained that the combined KL/NW force was too big and that yields at AMS don't justify a service to AMS (therefore, only codeshare with BD).

As for TW they haven't flown AMS-STL as far as I know. AMS did have AMS-JFK (Tristar, B767 and sometimes a B747) but I've never heard of an AMS-STL service. Currently TW codeshares with RJ (AMS-JFK) and KU (AMS-ORD).

PA served AMS for many years. They've operated the B707, B747, B727 and A310 to AMS. I duess that the B747 and 707 flew on AMS-JFK (I've only seen pictures of these planes). The B727 flew AMS-LHR and onward to DTW (after a plane change at LHR). This was one of the reasons why it took so long before KLM gained traffic rights on AMS-DTW. After PA lossed the LHR hub the began flying the A310 to JFK.

DL flies AMS-ATL for many years now. The flight is currently a MD-11 , but will become a B767 in June. After the collapse of PA, DL took over PA's AMS-JFK flight and used an A310 on this route. Currently the B767 operates AMS-JFK.

United now flies AMS-LHR (B767 onward to SFO), AMS-ORD (B777) and AMS-IAD (B777). They used to fly AMS-LHR with a B727 (the flight taken over from PA).

Finally, US returned a couple of weeks ago to AMS with a B767 to fly AMS-PHL.

Regards
Laurens


User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32607 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2049 times:

NW airlines flies MIA-AMS daily with a DC-10. along with DFW-AMS. As for US-CPH service, no US airline does it. CPH is not a big market, though I do know SAS flies SEA-CPH and Premiair flies MIA-CPH. There is services out of JFK and/or EWR too, I'm sure.


a.
User currently offlineUSFlyer MSP From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2034 times:

NW metal flies:

SEA-AMS
MSP-AMS
DTW-AMS
BOS-AMS
IAD-AMS
MIA-AMS
seasonally
JFK-AMS
EWR-AMS



User currently offlineSK A330-300 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2046 times:

"Delta was the last US airline to operate into CPH with their daily service from JFK. This service has no been moved to ARN but I´ve heard that they will have to "surrender" from there as well leaving only American Airlines operation from ARN to ORD on a daily basis."


I contacted Delta and the answer that I got was that they have no plans to discontinue the JFK-ARN route.


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6446 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2025 times:

Who did you call at Delta that was in a position to know that Delta was not going to drop ARN? There are probably only 2-3 people at Delta who would know that. Believe me that pilots, flight attendants,reservations and station people would not know this.

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2017 times:

CO also flies into AMS from its EWR hub; first with the DC10, this winter with the 757 and 762s will be introduced shortly (not sure of the date). When CO expands transatlantic service out of IAH, there is a possibility that they will try IAH-AMS, but it is not a priority. CO is also said to be looking at several cities in Scandinavia as expansion possibilities out of EWR, CPN must be on this list, but nothing definite has been decided.

US airlines have had odd relationships with the cities that you mentioned; only in recent years have US airlines really tried to make service to AMS work and the reports are that the yeilds on the AMS flights are so-so. Odd.


User currently offlineLGB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1992 times:

Who did you call at Delta that was in a position to know that Delta was not going to drop ARN? There are probably only 2-3 people at Delta who would know that. Believe me that pilots, flight attendants,reservations and station people would not know this.

Same question about the original statement: from where was it heard that DL *is* going to drop ARN?

Lars


User currently offlineSK A330-300 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (13 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1989 times:

It might be like you say that only 2-3 people would know about it. I got this information by sending Delta an e-mail and at least that Delta employee who replied to my e-mail said they had no such plans.

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