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Mexicana’s Click Accelerates Boeing 717 Acquisitio  
User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12571 posts, RR: 25
Posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2991 times:

Seeing that there are so many 717 fans here:

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...erates-boeing-717-acquisition.html

Some quotes:

Quote:
Mexicana originally was going to take delivery of one aircraft per month with the first eight to be delivered this year, 12 in 2010 and the last five in the first half of 2011.

But Mexicana chief executive Manuel Borja says deliveries have been accelerated and Click has just placed into service its tenth 717. He says the carrier now aims to take the 25th and final 717 at the end of next year.

These are the ex-Midwest 717s that are being phased out rapidly in favor of EMBs from Repulic.

And:

Quote:
Click's 717s are being delivered in two-class configuration with 84 economy and 20 business class seats. The carrier's Fokker 100s are in single class configuration with 100 economy seats.

Borja says the response to the 717s and the introduction of business class at Click has so far been positive. He says the business class has generated "some extra revenues" but more importantly it has allowed Grupo Mexicana to attract more frequent fliers, giving it a "competitive advantage" over rival Aeromexico. Borja says Aeromexico uses Embraer ERJ-145s operated by regional unit Aeromexico Express on several Click routes.

So it seems some airlines are finding that 717s give them a step up from the EMBs, one that attracts the frequent flier crowd.

Hope that's a trend that continues. I'd like to Boeing narrow body in the future to be two different aircraft, one spanning 80-150 seats and the other 150-250 seats.


Inspiration, move me brightly!
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User currently offlineNetjetsINTL From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2950 times:

I read that article last week.... makes economic sense, they have to get rid of those F-100s as soon as possible.. Good move for comonality purposes and probably much cheaper maintenance....

So the plan calls for getting 15 more B717s over the next two months


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12571 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2931 times:



Quoting NetjetsINTL (Reply 1):
So the plan calls for getting 15 more B717s over the next two months

Yes, they say they are mostly limited by training issues (the number of instructors and the amount of sim time available).

It must be quite a leap to go from F100 to 717 for both the airline and the pax.



Inspiration, move me brightly!
User currently offlineOlli From Mexico, joined Mar 2001, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2886 times:



Quoting Revelation (Reply 2):
It must be quite a leap to go from F100 to 717 for both the airline and the pax.

I just flew last week for the first time on a 717 and I loved it. I don't like the F100 at all.

Good for MX!

Best Regards,


User currently offlineXAAPB From Mexico, joined Jan 2005, 438 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2835 times:

I hope to see soon the B717 on the MEX-TAM route!!


Jorge Meneses
User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7521 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2819 times:



Quoting Revelation (Reply 2):
It must be quite a leap to go from F100 to 717 for both the airline and the pax.

This is probably the first time the 717's replaced another aircraft type in one's fleet besides the DC-9; at least in the Western Hemisphere.



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User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5222 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2679 times:



Quoting NetjetsINTL (Reply 1):
So the plan calls for getting 15 more B717s over the next two months

Indeed, Click needs 15 additional Boeing 717s for a total of 40 or else, introduce another aircraft type to its structure.

Besides the Midwest, there are 2 more B717s sitting idle ex Bangkok Air. It would be great if QA could take those. But I don't see HA or Air Tran freeing some other birds anytime soon.

g77



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2643 times:



Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):
These are the ex-Midwest 717s that are being phased out rapidly in favor of EMBs from Repulic.

I think this is due to better aircraft economics provided by the E-Jets family, do you happen to know details about this? anybody?

Regards,

Fyano


User currently offlineFly727 From Mexico, joined Jul 2003, 1789 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2587 times:

For what I heard, the acquisition of the 717 was only going to be temporary as Click is awaiting slots on the production chain of the CRJ-900 which will then replace the 717s in the near future (fleet commonality with the CRJ-200 which MexicanaLink has already in service).

Someone could explain how long the lease of the 717 is it signed for?

RM  Smile



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User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5222 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2534 times:



Quoting Fly727 (Reply 8):
Someone could explain how long the lease of the 717 is it signed for?

Yeap my Fly145, 2009-2016/7. It's a 7 year lease but with these birds so new, IMHO, MX should keep them till 2020.

As a pax, I've flown the Embraer 145/175 and the CRJ200/700, I think by far, the Embraer is better. As a pilot, I've only flown the E145 simulator, but heard the CRJ200 is so much nicer, right Pablo... Aeromexico757 if you're reading this...??

g77



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineNetjetsintl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2516 times:



Quoting Fly727 (Reply 8):
For what I heard, the acquisition of the 717 was only going to be temporary as Click is awaiting slots on the production chain of the CRJ-900 which will then replace the 717s in the near future

yes there was an article of flightglobal.com.... Mexicana is studying the larger Bombardier CSeries


User currently offlineFly727 From Mexico, joined Jul 2003, 1789 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2442 times:



Quoting Netjetsintl (Reply 10):
yes there was an article of flightglobal.com.... Mexicana is studying the larger Bombardier CSeries

Thanks; I will browse for that info.  Smile

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 9):
As a pax, I've flown the Embraer 145/175 and the CRJ200/700, I think by far, the Embraer is better. As a pilot, I've only flown the E145 simulator, but heard the CRJ200 is so much nicer, right Pablo... Aeromexico757 if you're reading this...??

Quite the opposite my friend. I actually like the CRJ series better if flying as a passenger. I was rated on the Bombardier Challenger which shares much of the systems and cell of the CRJ200 and by far the EMB145 is superior. I have shared the cockpit with copilots who previously flew for ALMA de México (CRJ operator) and have told me about how much friendlier is the Embraer layout. Cockpit preparation procedures in the CRJ are looooong, it is a bit more tricky to land and the engines are under certain conditions fairly underpowered.

"as a pilot"... wow. You just couldn't resist it right? Congrats and welcome to the club.

RM  Smile



There are no stupid questions... just stupid people!
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5222 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2243 times:



Quoting Fly727 (Reply 11):
I have shared the cockpit with copilots who previously flew for ALMA de México (CRJ operator) and have told me about how much friendlier is the Embraer layout. Cockpit preparation procedures in the CRJ are looooong, it is a bit more tricky to land and the engines are under certain conditions fairly underpowered.

LOL, Pablo and another friend who are ex Alma pilots and now flying for Costera they both told me just the opposite and I was like... Hmm....??? I've seen the cockpit of the CRJ and I entirely agree with you... I was like... no waaaaaaaay, the Embraer is friendlier.

Also on final the CRJ as you mentioned it, it's far more tricky to land vs the lovely Embraer!!!

Quoting Fly727 (Reply 11):
"as a pilot"... wow. You just couldn't resist it right? Congrats and welcome to the club.

Caaaaaan't!!! LOL... youuu specially my friend know well for how many decades I've been waiting for real life to start. I'm so happy to finally join the club. I'm enjoying every single second flown and can't wait to take a beer with you at any Mexican airport real soon!!!

Looooong finals...

g77



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineMayaviaERJ190 From Mexico, joined Jan 2008, 313 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2169 times:

BraSil, la la la la la la la lah, BraSil, BraSil... (Anything from Embraer with music).

Ahora si (about time) que ni que... ke ni ke (Mexican-Japanese for There's N0 other way around) Gopher, Ghost, Rick, Go Phor it! HE IS FLYING!

Congrats, Carlos.



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