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777-200ER - Is The End In Sight?  
User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 22324 times:

It is interesting to note that the backlog for both passenger models 777-200ER and 777-200LR the smallest members of the 777 family has declined to a very low backlog. As of September Boeing only had 39 frames to be delivered.

From the numbers below, once can easily conclude that the 77F and 77W continue to do very well and have taken the lead in their respective market segments.




Boeing 777 Backlog:

Orders/Deliveries.

777-200 = 88/88 *(backlog 0 frames)
777-200ER = 431/412 *(backlog 19 frames)
777-200LR = 56/36 *(backlog 20 frames)
777-200F = 71/9 *(backlog 62 frames)
777-300 = 60/60 *(backlog 0 frames)
777-300ER = 408/206 (* backlog 202 frames)

Regards,
Wings


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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 22217 times:



Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
777-200ER = 431/412 *(backlog 19 frames)

Yes, the end is near, but 431 sales are impressive. The 789 and the A333 are biting into its market share, those who need the 77E have them, might add a few more, but not in big numbers. In addition, there will be more and more 2nd hand 77Es coming into the market, starting with those from SQ. This will also reduce possible sales.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8375 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 22129 times:
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Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
Boeing 777 Backlog:

Orders/Deliveries.

777-200 = 88/88 *(backlog 0 frames)
777-200ER = 431/412 *(backlog 19 frames)
777-200LR = 56/36 *(backlog 20 frames)
777-200F = 71/9 *(backlog 62 frames)
777-300 = 60/60 *(backlog 0 frames)
777-300ER = 408/206 (* backlog 202 frames)

Lets not cry for teh 777-200ER, it did a great thing for the world, killed the MD-11 and has almost put the A340 out of production. The -200ER put many places closer in the Pacific like the 767 did in teh Atlantic, and improved the flight expereience over the 767. Look at what AA has done to South America with their 777 fleet. Who would have imagined EWR to HKG and ORD to DEL nonstop with teh 777-200ER

Clearly as the 744 time is coming to an end many airlines are going for the 77W as the next generation airplane of choice, in Asia all the major airlines have them. Who would have thought we would see more JAL and ANA 77W's at NRT then 744's. Cathay has found them to be great for service to JFK and Toronto. The A380 is just too much airplane, even Emirates who has 57 A380's on Order has a HUGE fleet of 777's.

The future of the 777 is also in teh 777-200LR, though a niche plane flown by Delta, Qatar and Emirates the Freighter version, the 777-200LRF , will be big with FEDEX and others.

The 777 still has many decades to go, can't wait to see the 777-400ER or thr 777-300LR.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30986 posts, RR: 86
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 22061 times:
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Well the last 77E will likely be delivered around two decades after the first, so that's been a pretty decent run. I agree that model should be pretty much done. At this point, even in terms of top-up orders, you're likely better off moving to the 77L since the actual transaction price isn't too different (irregardless of the difference in list) and it offers operators better performance (and economics on the deeper end of B-market missions).

User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4695 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 22055 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 2):
it did a great thing for the world, killed the MD-11

opinions vary wildly on that one  Wink. Especially from enthusiasts.



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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10735 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 21946 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 2):
The 777 still has many decades to go, can't wait to see the 777-400ER or thr 777-300LR.

Not in terms of production. I guess around 2025 the last 777 will be built, that is if Boeing builds a 77W "NG", which will be just a better stopgap though. A joint 747/777 replacement makes sense by 2020. The shorter passenger variants will be "killed" by its sister 787 and the A350. The 772ER´s production run is certainly near to its end. The 772 and 773 are dead already and wont have a very long service life, as they are pretty much unwanted by most airlines.


User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 21951 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 2):
Lets not cry for the 777-200ER, it did a great thing for the world, killed the MD-11 and has almost put the A340 out of production.

The 777 was the right product at the right time, although not always the best for the missions it was used for. This has been witnessed by SQ recent switch to the A333 for regional/medium haul mission.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 2):
The future of the 777 is also in the 777-200LR,

With 56 orders of which 36 have been delivered. Not such a bright future in my opinion.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlinePackcheer From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 21924 times:

With a backlog of 202 aircraft on the 777-300ER, are any of those orders from US airlines? (American, Delta, Continental, already operate the -200, Why have none ordered the -300, or now the -300ER)

Where are the majority of the remaining -300ER's orders from? Asia? Europe?



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25315 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 21806 times:

Quoting Packcheer (Reply 7):
With a backlog of 202 aircraft on the 777-300ER, are any of those orders from US airlines?

No, the only North American customer (apart from leasing companies) for the 777-300ER so far is AC.

Quoting Packcheer (Reply 7):
Where are the majority of the remaining -300ER's orders from? Asia? Europe?

Asia and the South Pacific, followed by Europe, then South America. Some of the carriers with 777-300ER orders not yet delivered include TK, NZ, BA, AF, KE, BG, EY, GA, CA, CX. JJ.

[Edited 2009-10-21 10:48:30]

User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8153 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 21768 times:



Quoting JRadier (Reply 4):
opinions vary wildly on that one

Say what you like - good riddance to that money-eating bucket of bolts.  Wink



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7063 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 21622 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 2):
it did a great thing for the world, killed the MD-11 and has almost put the A340

Can not agree with that statement from an enthusiast point of view, the MD 11 is the most elegant aircraft of the three (followed by the A340 as a close second).



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User currently offlineMogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 21437 times:

Nothing wrong with a small backlog of 772/77E/77L.

772 (77A) was designed to be a short-haul heavy lifter. 77E fulfilled is mission of an efficient 300-pax plane that regularly traverses both oceans. The 77L has always been a niche super plane designed for those who REALLY need that range.

The 747 lasted that long only because it didn't have any competition, so Boeing had little pressure to bring out improvements, and even then, at their own pace.

Now, the future of the 777 family definitely lies in the 77W. For those who forgot that it entered service only back in 03/04, this plane is still brand new, and still be the flagship for many airlines for years to go. Those who're writing the 77W's obituary based on the A350-1000 paper specs are a bit pre-mature if you ask me. There's still a jillion 744s waiting to be replaced, and that's where the 77W will do the job. The first batch of 744s just reached 20yo, the prime time for replacement orders.

I see a bright future with the 777/787 combo....at least until Y3 comes online, but that won't be minimal 10 years.


User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10735 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 21242 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 2):
Lets not cry for teh 777-200ER, it did a great thing for the world, killed the MD-11 and has almost put the A340 out of production.

A "great" thing indeed, bringing the world a big step closer to a boring twinjet monopoly. As for myself I´d wish Boeing would have never buit it.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 2):
can't wait to see the 777-400ER

You mean an even longer fat sausage? That would easily be the ugliest widebody ever, a designer´s horror without any pleasing proportions. I hope Seattle doesnt succumb to such a bad idea.

Quoting Packcheer (Reply 7):
With a backlog of 202 aircraft on the 777-300ER, are any of those orders from US airlines?

No, and I doubt they´ll come. Maybe for a 77W NG (if it comes, and I hope it doesnt, but fear it will), but not for the current model. Continental doesnt need it, AA has no money, and Delta wont place an order for the next 5 years anyway, and by then the best days of the 77W will be over.


User currently offlineRIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 21201 times:



Quoting Columba (Reply 10):
from an enthusiast point of view, the MD 11 is the most elegant aircraft of the three (followed by the A340 as a close second).

- that's subjective, and the original quote was not about elegant looking  Smile...

Quoting PM (Reply 11):
"Did a great thing for the world"... Like, er, erradicating malaria or reversing global warming?

- say it on malaria or global warming forums. The original quote included, "The -200ER put many places closer in the Pacific like the 767 did in the Atlantic, and improved the flight experience over the 767", and there was nothing wrong with it in this forum.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15744 posts, RR: 27
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 21024 times:



Quoting Packcheer (Reply 7):
(American, Delta, Continental, already operate the -200, Why have none ordered the -300, or now the -300ER)

They just don't need the capacity yet. The airlines that need large aircraft have them, though 747s may need replacing soon. Even then, I'm not sure how likely it will be that they will go with the -300ER, since the trend is toward smaller planes anyway.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 2):
it did a great thing for the world, killed the MD-11

The MD-11 killed the MD-11.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10735 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 21002 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 15):
The MD-11 killed the MD-11.

Thats true. That the MD-11 wouldnt be a success was already clear before the first 777 became airborne.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15744 posts, RR: 27
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 20935 times:



Quoting NA (Reply 16):
That the MD-11 wouldnt be a success was already clear before the first 777 became airborne.

The MD-11 is a plane that should have showed up in the mid 1980s, not the 1990s. And actually meeting the performance promises is always a good thing to do.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 20917 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 2):
Lets not cry for teh 777-200ER, it did a great thing for the world, killed the MD-11 and has almost put the A340 out of production.

Yeah, what an achievement.  Yeah sure

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 2):
The A380 is just too much airplane, even Emirates who has 57 A380's on Order has a HUGE fleet of 777's.

58 I believe. Some of them might actually work on routes where there are 5 777s or 3 747s going off within two hours.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 2):
The future of the 777 is also in teh 777-200LR, though a niche plane flown by Delta, Qatar and Emirates the Freighter version, the 777-200LRF , will be big with FEDEX and others.

77L: As WINGS said, they are at 36/56. I doubt the total will go higher than 72, so more than half are delivered. Some carriers, DL or AI are using them on other fligths than ULH, so this business model doesn't seem to work too well. It'll share the fate of the A342, A345, and 747SP. Nice planes, but no big market for them.

77F: With the current cargo crises, competition from the A332F and A359F, fuel prices possibly rising again, I give it 150 produced planes maximum.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 2):
The 777 still has many decades to go, can't wait to see the 777-400ER or thr 777-300LR.

Both will never happen. Another stretch is not likely, because of the overall configuration of the plane and because of the 747-8I. 773LR would hardly make sense. Too few routes for such a capacity and range. 772LR is already troubled enough.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15744 posts, RR: 27
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 20754 times:



Quoting Thorben (Reply 18):
77F: With the current cargo crises, competition from the A332F and A359F, fuel prices possibly rising again, I give it 150 produced planes maximum.

Though converted 777s may be quite popular with package (and maybe freight) carriers in the future.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineRIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 20732 times:



Quoting Thorben (Reply 18):
Yeah, what an achievement.

- again, it's not the whole quote. Although even this way, it is an achievement, but hardly a "great thing done to the world"  Smile.

Quoting Thorben (Reply 18):
Both will never happen.

- -400 not necessarily means stretch, although even that is not impossible.


User currently offlineManfredj From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 20693 times:

Quoting NA (Reply 13):
A "great" thing indeed, bringing the world a big step closer to a boring twinjet monopoly. As for myself I´d wish Boeing would have never buit it.

That's interesting. I've never thought about it like that before. As much as I like the 777, I think I would have traded that for a few more quads and three holers flying around.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 15):
The MD-11 killed the MD-11.

Hehe. I remember growing up reading about the problems with MD-11. I thought it was so awesome looking! I guess they made it look great before they made it work right.

Does it get any better than this!

Big version: Width: 1280 Height: 866 File size: 414kb






The 772 will stick around as long as there is a back order for them. Take a look at the 767 for indicators or how long Boeing keeps an airplane around before they stop assembly.

[Edited 2009-10-21 13:18:55 by manfredj]


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30986 posts, RR: 86
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 20500 times:
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Quoting BMI727 (Reply 15):
The MD-11 killed the MD-11.

If the plane had hit her marks at EIS, it might have fared a bit better. But between missing her specifications and the 777-200ER outperforming it even after the PiP brought the MD-11 up to original specification, the plane just didn't really have a chance.

If the 777 had never launched, it likely would have fared better, though the A330-300 and A340-300 would have bracketed her and limited her ultimate market penetration.


User currently offlineRIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 20449 times:

Oh, and this:

Quoting NA (Reply 13):
You mean an even longer fat sausage?

- being longer, it would definitely look less fat, wouldn't it?  Smile (Although who am I to contradict a certified 777 hater  Wink...)


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21529 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 20358 times:

Other than El Al (who still could switch to the 789) and the few 77Es CO will take delivery of (possibly as few as 3), it is likely no other 77Es will be delivered at all. So we are looking at 3-9 more, with my money on 3...

Quoting WINGS (Reply 6):
although not always the best for the missions it was used for

This is spin.

The A333 SQ is taking delivery of now is not the same A330 available 14 years ago. At that time, the 777 was a better choice. Thus it WAS the best plane for the missions it was bought for at the time, at least as a collective whole for the fleet, where the overall performance needs to be weighed against the varied stage lengths on payloads required of the fleet.

But now, 12-14 years later, there are better options, including the tweaked A333 that is now able to match the lift of the 777 on those routes at a lower cost due to it's lower weight, and because SQ has a 12-year accounting life for aircraft, it is the right choice to replace the 77E with the most modern A333 version.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15744 posts, RR: 27
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 20171 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 24):
The A333 SQ is taking delivery of now is not the same A330 available 14 years ago. At that time, the 777 was a better choice. Thus it WAS the best plane for the missions it was bought for at the time,

And the same can be said for the 777. Both the A330 and 777 have moved up the range/payload ladder to the point where A330s are replacing earlier 777s and the newer 777 variants are replacing A340s. (and 747s in the case of the 77W)



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25 Max Q : And that was a good thing. Incidentally, there was another MD11 incident in Montevideo yesterday.
26 STT757 : CO had 8 on order, they converted 3 of the 777-200ER orders to 8 737s. CO will still take delivery of 5 more 777-200ERs.
27 Ikramerica : Not for the 77E, no. You miss the point. The 777s SQ is/was using on those routes were 77Es, more than capable of flying the routes SQ used them for
28 Mascmo : I think it could get better if they put some GE90's on that bad boy!
29 WestWing : Asiana have three 77Es on order. Has there been any news and/or rumor about Asiana not taking these ? Continental will undoubtedly take delivery of t
30 Jfk777 : These early 777 deilveries will find new homes in the Atlantic market since both the 777-200 / -300(nonER) can do the east coast to western Europe. D
31 Ikramerica : I had that reversed. I thought they had 3 scheduled for next year, and then 2 (formerly 3, one was just canceled) for a bit later. So it could be as
32 WestWing : Boeing's orders & deliveries website maintains that Asiana have three undelivered P&W powered 77Es. Not saying these 3 won't be cancelled or converte
33 Max Q : Maybe, rumours are now we will only receive the two nexy year and that will be it.
34 AirNz : Can you run that by me again please.....as in specifically how in God's name is the 789 biting into the market share of anything????
35 EBJ1248650 : I can see UPS and perhaps Fed Ex in the future buying surpluse 773s as replacements for MD-11s and early 747s. Now that would be a freighter!
36 Scipio : Mind you, the 77W is close to outselling the 744. Boeing only built 448 passenger 744s. Orders for the 77W stand at 408... If you add up the existing
37 Ikramerica : The facts don't back up your analysis. First, the A346 was marketed as a 747 classic replacement, not a 744 replacement, and the list of 744 customer
38 Astuteman : I think the niche for a ULR aircraft is going to keep getting smaller as current mainstream (i.e. non-ULR) aircraft like the 773ER and A380 continue
39 WINGS : Is this really correct? Were early A333's that limited for routes within the Asia/Pacific region? I find this rather odd as Cathay Pacific seemed to
40 YULWinterSkies : If the 774ER is a 773 stretch, i do not think this will ever happen. The A346 (2 meters longer than the 773) already is at the very end of airport pa
41 Post contains links Planesailing : http://www.aircraft-commerce.com/sam...icles/flight_operations_sample.pdf But the 777W is not perfect. In comparison with the A346, although it burns
42 Nicholaschee : Actually, this is now 15 years. Depreciation to 10% for Pax and 20% for Freighters.
43 Astuteman : Although the document you link is from 2001, and shows the 773ER's max payload range as 4 850Nm and it's nominal range as 7 200Nm. The 773ER substant
44 UALWN : But the fact remains that 448 744 were ever sold, while 731 77W+346+748+380 have been sold so far. This implies an obvious increase in capacity in th
45 Conti764 : I can't understand how anyone can find the 346, the 330 or the MD11 better looking then a T7... It is subjective, but after the 747, in my opinion the
46 STT757 : Well then those three 777s would either be converted into additional 737s (CO recently converted 3 777s into seven 737s) , or they would be converted
47 Md80fanatic : I suspect more MD-11 "incidents" to come, as there are many aging twins who now need a new home, a home that has been successfully supported by the MD
48 KC135TopBoom : Is that why so many B-777s fly for Japanese airlines? You need new glasses, my friend. So does Airbus. Then wouldn't the A-359 and A-3510 also be ugl
49 DocLightning : I think he was talking about the MD-11. Anyway, the 77L will get orders for a while, but with the 333 encroaching on the 77E and the 77W's populariti
50 ArabAirX : I suggest you go say the same thing to Emirates and they'll likely laugh at that comment. Wasnt it one of Emirates top executives who stated that eve
51 RIX : - and what is so not clear about it???????? There are 789 orders that would go to some other airframes otherwise - isn't that obvious????????????????
52 BMI727 : I wasn't speaking specifically about SQ. And really, the A330 and the 777 have both done pretty much the same thing, just Boeing built a new variant
53 Virgin747lgw : sure, but im guessing the A359F is not a real high priority aircraft for Airbus atm, probably wont see EIS until about 2025 at the earliest, 16 years
54 Incitatus : One of those outstanding orders for 772ERs is from American and I would be surprised if they get those 777s at about the same time 787s will be deliv
55 PlaneHunter : The 772s and 773s in service are still heavily used and they do the job which they were designed for. And while more and more other widebodies such a
56 Scipio : Look back 25 years: with the exception of the B747, all the widebodies that were in service then (DC-10, Tristar, A300, A310, B767) were smaller than
57 RIX : - yep, and I see your point now (it was not about particular shares inside the "group of big"). Interestingly still, how "747 against 300/310/DC10/76
58 Jfk777 : Lufthansa seems to be the only airline with 3 big international sizes, A380/ 748/A340 & A330's. Most are going with A380 then 777 or A340's or still
59 RIX : - well, the question was about those who do go for 380 (otherwise, there is no capacity gap to discuss). It can be called, "SQ model" and "LH model",
60 JRadier : KLM comes to mind, 744/77W, 772/MD-11/74E, A332
61 Jfk777 : KLM is in between old planes, MD-11 & 744's, and new ones, 777 and A330's. I will miss those KLM 744's.
62 PHKLM : Well, as far as I know KLM is just only beginning to install PTV+AVOD in the 747 coach cabins, show I am sure they think there's a lot of life left i
63 JRadier : MD-11s will be around until 2012 at least, with no replacement ordered. The 777s (77W only) on order now are for growth, not replacement (although th
64 OyKIE : it depends on how much redmodelling Boeing can do on their current 777. Economy comes first. It nees to offer similar cost pr seat as the A350. Secon
65 FUN2FLY : Not sure what the plan is for CO on the 777 anymore. They ordered 8, w/6 possibly to be the 77W which made sense as the 772 is dated and a few routes
66 KC135TopBoom : If Airbus waits until 2025 for an EIS of the A-359F, then there is no sense introducing it, they would have already missed its market. That is a lot
67 STT757 : They converted three 777 orders into an additional seven 737s, not sure why it was done in two steps perhaps for Boeing's accounting (who knows). The
68 WorldTraveler : Winglets will do wonders for the 772ER; Boeing is very aware of the power of winglets to add economic life to an aircraft. Winglets are so low cost an
69 AirNZ : So you're saying there will be no air cargo market in 2025? I could also win the lottery next week.....so what point are you making with these 'could
70 Astuteman : This from the guy that calls the A330F a "paper freighter"? Can't fault your consistency, my friend Rgds
71 DocLightning : And how were you planning on packing the, say, 150,000 or so required lbs of thrust into a single engine that fits under a 777 wing?
72 Amirs : any news on el al's order for 4 772er frames? they were suppose to decide by december 2008 if they will change the order to 77w or mayb eeven 787. ANY
73 Beeweel15 : If the 777-200ER is on its way out will there be a 777-200LR#2 with Rolls Royce Engines. Anyone from Boeing out there that can confirm is that would e
74 Stitch : If it's MTOW is under 700,000 pounds, it could happen, but likely won't. 700k is said to be the trigger for "GE power exclusivity" on a 777 airframe.
75 Cb777 : I wonder if the B787 is delayed even further would Continental go with the B777LR's?
76 OyKIE : Since they already have GE engines, I do not understand why they haven't opted for the 777LR in the first place. The SFC are lower on longer missions
77 Stitch : Once polar routings to China became available, CO didn't need the additional performance of the 77L to make the trip from EWR - their 77E's now had t
78 KC135TopBoom : No, I didn't say there would be no cargo market in 2025, I said Airbus would miss the market for the A-359F. My friend, it would be good if you win t
79 JRadier : so it basically transformed from paper to a real airplane just before roll-out?
80 Aircellist : Who would believe the things that happen while those big doors are opening... !
81 Rheinwaldner : In the "were" part you missed the A380. About the "are being" part may I ask for sources? How do we know which aircrafts will be replaced by A350/787
82 PM : I think you're being excessively generous. It still hasn't flown yet. Maybe it never will. Still sounds like "paper" to me. Then, even if it does man
83 Frigatebird : Umm, maybe we should wait for the first ones to be scrapped, and see if they'll be recycled as metal or paper beer cans
84 MogandoCI : i think the common definition for VLA is larger than 747, so that would exclude 77W/346. Only the A380 qualifies for that definition.
85 Rheinwaldner : I know that it is common definition but: - First my assesment still stands if you only count 747 and A380 - Second is the 773ER larger than the 742 a
86 MogandoCI : can we at least stop pretending the US AirForce selection process is nothing but a margin-squeezing technique on Boeing ? They tried awarding a contra
87 Aircellist : A definition fit for just one type may well be useless. Or bad faith. Frankly, the 777 easily carries more than 300 Pax and takes off at more than 30
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