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BDL Long-Haul Announcement Oct 22  
User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2528 posts, RR: 5
Posted (5 years 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 14598 times:

Looks like the press conference is set for 11am tomorrow... Who wants to place their bets?

http://www.hartfordbusiness.com/news10673.html

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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9555 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 14543 times:

DL to AMS or CDG. Thats my guess


yep.
User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8906 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 14521 times:

I'm guessing AA to LAX (again). Hartford Courant article is hinting it won't be trans-Atlantic and AA is having some 738s coming online that would work. Delta with a 319 to LAX is a slim possibility, but I'd bet more on AA.

I tend to doubt it would be UA to LAX/SFO - not enough capacity to go around.

[Edited 2009-10-21 16:13:03]

User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3108 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 14521 times:

I bet its DL to LAX. DL promised they would restart the route.


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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4570 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 14483 times:

What about DL to SEA given the recent expansion announcement from SEA? Wouldn't it make sense to fly BDL-SEA-Asia?


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2528 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 14449 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 2):
I'm guessing AA to LAX (again). Hartford Courant article is hinting it won't be trans-Atlantic and AA is having some 738s coming online that would work. Delta with a 319 to LAX is a slim possibility, but I'd bet more on AA.

Seems overkill to have a press conference for an LAX flight though no? Since the press conference is out of dreadful Terminal A, maybe it's a new AA route (757 to LHR perhaps)?


User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2812 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 14381 times:

Does DL have intentions of restarting LAX-BDL? I still remember in 2007 when DL had several red-eyes from LAX to secondary East Coast cities including BDL, RDU, and JAX.

User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3108 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 14358 times:



Quoting Modesto2 (Reply 6):
Does DL have intentions of restarting LAX-BDL? I still remember in 2007 when DL had several red-eyes from LAX to secondary East Coast cities including BDL, RDU, and JAX.

They did when they ended it, it was a former Song route. I dont know if they still want to restart it.

I know AA, UA, and DL all had transcons from BDL.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5472 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 14291 times:



Quoting Indy (Reply 4):
What about DL to SEA given the recent expansion announcement from SEA? Wouldn't it make sense to fly BDL-SEA-Asia?

I doubt BDL would be very high on a potential list of new domestic routes from SEA to link to the new Asia service. But...

Here's the link to the article in the Courant (mentioned by DeltAirlines in Reply #2):
http://www.courant.com/business/hc-b...ley-new-route-1021,0,6983748.story
and the key comment from the article:

Quote:
"...but sources said Wednesday's announcement is highly unlikely to be new transatlantic service.

So if that comment is to be believed, then a re-instatement of the LAX route is the most likely announcement. And my money would be on Delta. (I can't see AA doing anything like this for a long time.)

My other thought is what about B6 coming to town and heading to California (SFO, OAK, LAX, LGB...?) That would be pretty big news!

Whatever it is, good for Hartford for making SOMETHING happen!

bb


User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 14157 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 1):
DL to AMS or CDG. Thats my guess

Already has and will fail again....it has to be DL or AA to LAX



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8906 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 14129 times:



Quoting SANFan (Reply 8):
I can't see AA doing anything like this for a long time.

Back in the early-2000s, AA did have a daily BDL-LAX service on the 737-800 (as well as United having a daily A319 to SFO). Given that AA is now bringing on new 738s, it's a possibility.

Saying that, the A319 does seem like a great plane for DL transcon service out of LAX - 124 seats (soon 132) is a lot less than the 150/160 on the 737-800s that were being used before.


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 14112 times:



Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 9):
Already has and will fail again....

They never flew to CDG. Personally, I never knew why they diddnt go there or to LGW/LHR right off the bat.

Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 9):
it has to be DL or AA to LAX

Again thou, a press conference just for an LA route? Seems much ado about nothing. There wasn't this much hub bub when they launched it last time.



Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
User currently offlineCatIII From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3045 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 14064 times:



Quoting SANFan (Reply 8):
My other thought is what about B6 coming to town and heading to California (SFO, OAK, LAX, LGB...?) That would be pretty big news!

That would be my guess. New airline for BDL, new service...

Or AS to SEA  Smile


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 14028 times:



Quoting CatIII (Reply 12):
That would be my guess. New airline for BDL, new service..

B6 would be nice. I would love to fly LAX-BDL instead of the red eye to JFK.



Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8906 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 13943 times:

I hope there's more to it than this:

http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/l...-Mexico-From-Bradley-65181742.html

Sounds like Delta is bringing back BDL-CUN (seems they've done this route in the past), as well as more flights to FLL/RSW. If this is the news, it's a bit of a letdown.


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5306 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 13871 times:



Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 9):
it has to be DL or AA to LAX

Why? Airports don't often call a press conference to announce a new domestic route.



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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4570 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 13822 times:



Quoting OA412 (Reply 15):
Why? Airports don't often call a press conference to announce a new domestic route.

They've done it many times at IND. They had a big deal a number of years ago here when FL added SFO and LAX. They had Peyton Manning at the airport and everything. And with times being tough right now I think smaller airports like BDL will make a bigger deal over something that other airports wouldn't even bat an eye over.



Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8906 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 13787 times:



Quoting OA412 (Reply 15):
Why? Airports don't often call a press conference to announce a new domestic route.

Major airports don't. If it's something big like a new trans-continental service when there currently isn't any at a smaller-midsized airport, there'd probably be a presser.


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5306 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 13730 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 17):
Major airports don't. If it's something big like a new trans-continental service when there currently isn't any at a smaller-midsized airport, there'd probably be a presser.

I didn't think of it that way. Still, I usually intepret press releases regarding "long haul" service to be regarding intercontinental service. I guess we'll see tomorrow.



Hughes Airwest - Top Banana In The West
User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 13722 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 1):
DL to AMS or CDG. Thats my guess

Same here, it's either one of those or LAX. (95% I'd say it'll be DL announcing something)

Quoting SANFan (Reply 8):
So if that comment is to be believed

Can't be airport sources though, since the other article says:

Quote:
But offcials are mum about the destination.

Also it's not about CUN, RSW and FLL since they've been flying those. (seasonal)



delta.com
User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 13703 times:



Quoting OA412 (Reply 18):
I didn't think of it that way. Still, I usually intepret press releases regarding "long haul" service to be regarding intercontinental service. I guess we'll see tomorrow.

And they said "major long haul". lol



delta.com
User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 13579 times:

I, like most others on here, also think it's going to be a DL announcement. DL is still BDL's largest carrier, and they used to have quite a network out of the airport - even as recently as 2006, DL was flying out west to LAX, SLC and LAS out of BDL. But if it was an international route, wouldn't they have announced that yesterday with all the other new summer additions?

As others have pointed out, DL said back when the stopped flying BDL-LAX that they'd like to serve the route again in the future. With 319s now available, I'm thinking that's the "big" announcement - and for BDL that is pretty substantial. They currently don't have any flights out to the west coast, just Vegas on WN.

Maybe a combined BDL-LAX/SLC launch? Back when DL flew those flights at the same time, they had the 738 redeye coming in from LAX turn around to SLC early in the morning.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25420 posts, RR: 86
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 13564 times:
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It's a pity DEN doesn't count as "long haul."  Smile

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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4694 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 13463 times:

While I don't know the answer... I do know:
1) its domestic
2) its long haul

Im guessing they wouldn't be bringing everyone out for a resumed IAH DEN or PHX flight.

Id for for either DL or AA to LAX... though I have a hard time imagining the big fanfare for a resumed DL route, but BDL hasn't had much to celebrate since shedding 2 million passengers since 2005.

The only major major thing I can think of would be VX (LAX and SFO), but I think that would be a little premature for VX right now. DL and US/UA(star) have a pretty strong hold on BDL business traffic and I don't think now is the best time for it.

Best for all interested parties = LAX on DL AA or UA



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User currently offlinePHXtoDCAtoMSP From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 13421 times:

I am hearing rumblings that there is a good chance it will be CDG on a 75E

25 JohnJ : I'm going to say Phoenix on Southwest. Southwest seems to be doing quite a bit of route mixing-up of late, and has announced a bit of new BDL service
26 DeltAirlines : I'd doubt that, simply because it seemed like WN did some announcing today (new service to PFN, plus some new flights out of STL). Add in that they d
27 RL757PVD : A fairly reliable source told me it is domestic
28 DeltAirlines : The way the news articles are phrasing it too, they're heavily hinting that it will be a domestic route. I'm thinking it'll be West Coast, especially
29 Mason : What expansion announcement?
30 DeltAirlines : DL announced that they will be starting SEA-KIX and SEA-PEK nonstop starting next year.
31 Jayspilot : I think its AA to LAX or the long shot of a new carrier. I think this is the route b/c WN and DL just announced seaonsal additions yesterday so if the
32 RL757PVD : and after all the hype and fanfare it is.... WN to DEN
33 FlyIGuy : I wouldn't call that " Long Haul " and its still only 10:10...the press confrence isn't till 11am...Whats your source ? Just my 0.02
34 Post contains links RL757PVD : http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Southw...es-prnews-2536644334.html?x=0&.v=1
35 FlyIGuy : I don't know what the responce of UA will be on this route, but I know they will respond on the DEN to IAD hub to hub run !!! Just my 0.02
36 RL757PVD : UA wont have to respond.. they still have WN beat at a 10:1 seat ratio im sure. This is yet another jab at F9 notice MSY and OKC are included (announ
37 Richierich : It's more like medium-haul but I guess that doesn't sound so good in a press release! While it is nice to have another route out of BDL, it is a litt
38 Dvincent : I don't think most people liked the scheduling. Only a return redeye is probably not too thrilling for a lot of folks.
39 Deltaguy767 : So WN to DEN is the reason for all this hubub? Forgive me if I'm very disappointed, but if F9 couldn't make the route work, and they have more DEN fee
40 Airbazar : AMS is/was a NW hub. The flight was AMS-BDL-AMS, not the other way around. Even medium haul is a stretch. Anything shorter that a 3-3.5 hour flight i
41 WA707atMSP : If you want this route, then hope AA-BA is approved. It's been speculated on other threads that LHR-BDL and LHR-DTW are likely to be added if the all
42 Sectflyer : It is a bit of a disappointment after the hype but still not a bad score. Any new service is welcome. I agree that WN will do much better. Everyone ta
43 Aadfw : Its after 11 EST - Any word on the announcement yet?
44 Aadfw : I really hope it wasnt just the WN annoucement -- Thats not a big deal
45 Post contains links SASD209 : http://www.bradleyairport.com/News/press.aspx?id=115 ....Looks like DEN...
46 Dvincent : A much more reasonable return flight time than the F9 flight. Good work, WN.
47 CALMSP : well,its not as bad as that announcement DFW had 2 years ago..............something about having a band or dancers from japan at the airport??!! what
48 Jabar : I was really hoping for DL to announce they are re-starting the AMS flight... the rumours have come and gone on this. I guess the market is not back y
49 MtnWest1979 : LOL, but at least it continues on to my hometown! (BOI) I have only flown into BDL once, and it was on the aforementioned F9 redeye flight. I rather
50 Post contains links LoneStarMike : As far as jokes go, you don't even know the half of it. The "big" announcement, as you noted was that the Texas Ballet Theater was going to take a cu
51 IliriBDL : So Denver is "major long haul route"??? Wow
52 Cadet57 : Quite aware of that. And WN to Denver? Thats it? Thats the big "long-haul" announcement? Lame.
53 SANFan : Good for BDL for getting something new to report but I agree with many that this WAS somewhat over-hyped... Also, just yesterday I commented on anothe
54 WROORD : DEN maybe makes sense for the ski season but we'll see if it lasts pass spring 2010. I am not sure why they said that is is a major long-haul route -
55 ThegreatRDU : For the BDL nation, this has got to hurt, so much for the long haul announcement, my gut feeling told me it would be a west bound domestic flight... W
56 Richierich : Boy, somebody's Mr. Negative!!! I think it COULD work to London daily but its not a guarantee. The BDL catchment area is pretty big, at least 1 milli
57 EIJFK : All I know is that Stateside, I am based about 10 minutes from BDL, always dreamed of a convenient European flight from there. Ground travel to JFK i
58 Post contains links LoneStarMike : I believe the airport referred to BDL-DEN as a "long haul" route because it will be BDL's longest nonstop flight. Here's a list of BDL's nonstop dest
59 ThegreatRDU : Guys I'm not being mr negative, I'm just facing reality 1 million catchment in the USA does not justify transatlantic services friend not even close R
60 Rhodylee : Just looked it up and adding up the Hartford and Springfield metro areas gives about 1.9 million people. Adding in some of the New Haven area makes it
61 Indy : The Hartford MSA is just under 1.2 million. Not sure why you would include Springfield.
62 JohnJ : The thing about international flights from Hartford is the price. As a business traveler who gets to LHR on a fairly regular basis, I almost always fl
63 JohnJ : Perhaps because Springfield is about 13 miles away from BDL.
64 DeltAirlines : Considering BDL is halfway between Hartford and Springfield (16 miles to downtown Hartford, 20 miles to downtown Springfield), it'd be irresponsible
65 Lexy : Why look at US Census metro numbers and "ANet Metro Number" (those made up from us adding cities and towns to the MSA)? Why not look at the number of
66 JohnJ : Metro areas in this region that gravitate toward BDL include: Hartford: 1.2 million New Haven/Milford: 846,000 Norwich/New London: 264,519 Springfiel
67 Lexy : I realize that cities in that part of the country are basically on top of eachother. While here in the south, John you know this just as well as I do,
68 Post contains links Indy : The Hartford MSA is just under 1.2 million http://recenter.tamu.edu/Data/popm/pm3283.htm But if you guys are trying to get clever with numbers to show
69 Dvincent : BDL's catchment area isn't just Springfield and Hartford, it also includes Greenfield, southern VT, Bekrshire county... none of these areas have sched
70 Lexy : I'm sure the same could be said for those markets too. But as we all know, economies, travel habits, business ties, etc. are all different in each me
71 Indy : I know. Its the reason why places like RDU can support their TATL service(s) but BDL cannot.
72 Lexy : Of course. But all of us would agree that without the RT's (Research Triangle) collective subsidies, that LHR flight for RDU is gone. Scrape away tha
73 BOStonsox : If TATL service returned, BDL would be the closest airport for anyone living everywhere in Connecticut, Southern VT, Southwestern NH, and MA west of
74 Sectflyer : What are the yields like on the RDU-LHR deal?
75 IliriBDL : I can tell you for Eastern Europeans living in CT and Western Mass., majority go to JFK because of the connections offered there.
76 Cubsrule : Charlotte and Nashville don't have other MSAs as close to the airport as BDL does. The situation is no different from RDU. Raleigh and Durham are now
77 ERJ170 : Greensboro-Winston Salem? Norfolk-Virginia Beach? Minneapolis-St Paul?
78 Cubsrule : Each of those is a single MSA.
79 JohnJ : It certainly is different here than Memphis. There, MEM is about your only option unless you want to go to lengths to save a few bucks and drive to L
80 Airbazar : Don't forget Worcester too, which is right in the middle between BOS and BDL. A lot of people in that area use BDL and PVD instead of BOS.
81 Steex : Very true. The only other significant one I can think of that even come close would be BWI with Baltimore being almost exactly half the size of Washi
82 MogandoCI : is it just me or this is a celebration of mediocrity? we're talking an airport that used to have transatlantic service is reduced to having press conf
83 JohnJ : This has been a very rough year for BDL. Something, anything, at this point is good news and worth reporting.
84 Richierich : As much as some of us wish, hope and think that a TATL service would be a success from BDL, the truth of the matter is that you'll be asleep for a ve
85 MAH4546 : BDL probably can, but Amsterdam was the wrong market. BDL-LHR will be a winner. And I wouldn't be shocked to see it within 18 months.
86 Post contains links and images Dvincent : BDL-AMS was NW's 757s. View Large View MediumPhoto © Dan Vincent - New England Airports
87 CODCA09 : LHR slots are so expensive and difficult to attain I'm sure Delta would rather use one for a larger market & a larger aircraft rather than a 757 to BD
88 Airbazar : Success is a relative word. As someone pointed out, NW and AMS were the wrong choice. A foreign carrier is more likely to make it work, or AA/DL to L
89 JohnJ : I think NW did concentrate on business travelers on their BDL-AMS service, and really stuck it to us with the fares. I tried to use the flight on seve
90 Airbazar : Exactly. Which is why I don't think BDL will never be able to support anything more than an all business configuration aircraft which no US carrier c
91 Cadet57 : Because Springfield and W.mass is 20 minutes from BDL? Thats like asking If you should include Queens when talking about JFK. Have you ever taken the
92 Cubsrule : Where do you live that you can get to BOS in an hour without traffic and JFK in two? Hartford-Penn Station isn't much less than two hours, and Penn S
93 BOStonsox : I have not, however I was referring to ground transportation. AMTRAK from Springfield to Boston sucks, and from Hartford nonexistant (you have to cha
94 SYfan100 : 2 routes that Northwest was going to do before they merged.
95 Airbazar : You don't have to go to Penn Station to get to JFK. If you drive directly to JFK you may be able to make it in 2 hours. It's only 120 miles.
96 Cadet57 : I said a LITTLE over an hour. From my house, in Chicopee to Logan it is like 1:15- 1:20 I diddnt say it was. From Springfield to Penn Station its lik
97 Sectflyer : Any Anetters gonna be at BDL this thurs morning? Going BDL-MSP-SEA at 1110.
98 EIJFK : I'm always outvoted by the family, unfortunately. We always used JFK, so they drive me to JFK! We also have a place at the CT shore, so we sometimes
99 BOStonsox : Yeah, and it runs over 3 hours westbound, Boston to Springfield! Wow, so you drive to the train station, ride the train to Penn Station, ride the tra
100 Cubsrule : If you don't drive to New Haven, it's five, as you have to change trains in New Haven.
101 Dvincent : I think the better question is - what will return first? The Whalers, or transatlantic service?
102 Cadet57 : Huh? No. I take the train from Springfield to Penn station. and from Penn Station take the LIRR to Jamaica where you then pick up the airtrain. It''s
103 IliriBDL : My shift starts at 1:30pm lol. Maybe next time.
104 BOStonsox : That's pretty much what I said. I'm sure it's not a horrible trip, I did a condensed version of that throughout college. Hmm. I don't live anywhere n
105 SlcDeltaRUmd11 : What about BDL-SLC coming back? The flight would do well now that the 319 is back as an option. LAX would be my second guess coming back on the 319.
106 RL757PVD : SLC didn't even last a year. LAX is a good 319 route.
107 Slcdeltarumd11 : That is because DL never had the right aircraft for either LAX or SLC from BDL the 738 is simply too big. I think if i remember correctly DL was not
108 IliriBDL : I wouldn't be surprised to see both LAX and SLC and maybe even a transatlantic route sometime next year. (if the economy keep improving that is)
109 SLCPDXATL : I see that nobody ever posted or commented on the announcement. It is Southwest with one daily flight to Denver......(yawn)
110 HVNandrew : DL didn't use the CR9 on SLC-BDL. They used the 738 redeye that came in from LAX and turned it to SLC.
111 Richierich : Sorry - you are correct. In the excitement of pounding the letters on my keyboard, I got carried away and forgot something I should have remembered.
112 Richierich : Huh? What do you think we have been discussing? Here is the short version: - Posts 1-31 are pure speculation on what the new route might be - Posts 3
113 SLCPDXATL : My bad....I didn't read every thread. When I saw that in the last half of the discussion people were still speculating on things, I assumed that nobod
114 Richierich : Makes sense, considering only a small fraction of the posts on this thread are actually on-topic!
115 JohnJ : After flying out of JFK last night during the evening rush, I have one more consideration to add to the JFK vs. BDL train of thought. Every night - EV
116 RL757PVD : the thing is JFK will have flights every hour, whereas BDL will just have one. So say BDL's flight is at 8pm, if you take the 6pm or the 7pm out of J
117 Jricco7x7 : I'd personally like to see a BDL London flight...
118 Afitch7881 : Just some thoughts after reading this entire thread. Hartford to BDL is 16 miles Springfield to BDL is 20 miles New Haven to BDL is 50 miles vs 80 mil
119 Indy : Problem is the difference is so small and the number of choices offered at BOS and JFK so large. It would help if the distance were greater.
120 Cubsrule : Sure, though keep in mind that those people are not included in the 3.6 million number above.
121 Post contains links Indy : The airport served 6,112,979 passengers in 2008. Lets not kid ourselves. Those people are flying from other airports. If the catchment was really tha
122 Cubsrule : Absolutely - because they don't have a choice. But that's true of people within Hartford and Springfield for whom BDL is the primary airport too. If
123 FlyPNS1 : But even domestically, all those in that catchment area aren't using BDL. For instance, those in Groton/New London trend toward using PVD....it's clo
124 Cubsrule : ...which is why I think the 3.6 million number is a little misleading. But for 2 million or so of those people, BDL is by far the closest and most co
125 RL757PVD : very very very few airports will ever serve nearly their entire catchment area. Probably the closest one would be a market like LIT, but even they los
126 MtnWest1979 : It is these sorts of talk back and forth about leakage and such that make me glad I live in an isolated city with only one decently sized airport with
127 Cubsrule : How, then, do we explain the lower traffic levels than airports like MCI or IND?
128 RL757PVD : There are many more business centers (Boston, New York, Philadelphia) that are within a more practical driving or rail time than flying. Like with PV
129 Cubsrule : Maybe the problem is the definition of "leakage," then. BDL isn't so much leaking to other airports but rather is leaking to Amtrak and cars. But tha
130 RL757PVD : No, but its just that the traditional "catchment area" for BDL might be different because the flying catchment area might be like 75% of the size bec
131 Cubsrule : How different is it? Most places east of the Rockies have at least one major business destination within a reasonable drive; in MCI it's St Louis, in
132 FlyPNS1 : For longer haul flights, people have a greater propensity to drive to neighboring airports, hence I would argue that BDL suffers from greater leakage
133 Sectflyer : I truly believe that a big part of the BDL problem is that it is run by the DOT and they do virtually nothing to promote the airport. And I am sorry b
134 RL757PVD : The cities you mentioned are nothing in comparison to NYC or Boston when it comes to business. Think about where meetings will take place, or regiona
135 Cubsrule : I agree that the comparison can be misleading, but is any population number useful in discussing these longer flights? Pretty much regardless of how
136 Indy : I think more important than your catchment area is your metro area. Outside of that you have to look at the preferences of the people and the economi
137 Cubsrule : ...but using metro areas yields similar results. It's about 1.8 million people, or roughly the size of Indinapolis, but larger than Kansas City or Na
138 FlyPNS1 : Just using MSA, BDL is the smallest by far. Using the 2008 Census MSA estimates: BDL: 1,190,512 BNA: 1,550,733 IND: 1,715,459 MCI: 2,002,047
139 Cubsrule : If you just count Hartford, sure. But BDL serves Hartford and Springfield, so you need to add 615,000 or so people to those figures.
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