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FL: YX No Longer "Hometown Airline"  
User currently offlineYeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 882 posts, RR: 14
Posted (4 years 11 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8985 times:

AirTran's CEO Fornaro is quoted as saying Midwest no longer has the hometown advantage, giving Airtran the opportunity to make inroads in the MKE market.

"Republic's not going to fool anybody. I mean, Midwest is gone. You can call it what you want, but any business traveler in that part of the country knows that what used to be Midwest doesn't exist."

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/ (10/21 entry)

Yet as recently as yesterday I noted on the YX homepage the slogan "Milwaukee's hometown airline". It's not there today.   

Time for a new approach, YX?
How about "A Whole Different Animal"?

yeo

[Edited 2009-10-22 06:46:28 by yeogeo]


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User currently offlineEmSeeEye From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 508 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8900 times:



Quoting Yeogeo (Thread starter):
You can call it what you want, but any business traveler in that part of the country knows that what used to be Midwest doesn't exist.

Ouch. Hes not lying.


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8859 times:

Remember a short while back when airTran made the proposal to Midwest and the City of Milwaukee how great things would be if airTran bought Midwest and set up at MKE.

Remember all the posts A-net got, especially Midwest employees saying NO NO NO resist
dont sell...blah blah blah?

I'll just bet the bank the tune played now is .."boy, we shudda sold to them and we would STILL be working at MKE."
Ain't it funny how things change...like people and attitudes.
safe



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User currently offlineMKENut From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8832 times:

Bob Fornaro and Kevin Healy are just thumping their chests. Republic has a lower cost structure than AirTran and they have to be worried about that. Plus, you throw in Southwest and you have a real battle in MKE. There is going to be a loser at MKE within a year's time. Kevin even said "We'll give it a year" in the Q3 results when talking about MKE.

User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4568 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8677 times:

If I were FL I'd watch myself and not let my ego get in the way. YX may not be the same airline they were a few years ago but the FL product isn't anything all that special either. They have WIFI. The F9 flights have DirecTV. Where is FL going to expand to? They already have loads under 80% to 8 of their destinations and their jets aren't right sized for many of the destinations that could potentially have service from MKE. YX has that edge. They have the larger jets like FL but they also have the regional jets. They may not be the same airline they were 2 years ago or more but they still offer a decent product and they can still offer more nonstop service to more cities. And there will still be loyalty to the brand. Bashing the long time hometown favorite isn't a very smart move by FL.


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User currently offlineYeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 882 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8573 times:

If referring to the article in the Dallas News, I think this talk of bashing and thumping chests is a bit over the top.

If the shoe were on the other foot I don't think Republic would hesitate to point out the competitor is no longer MKE based and therefore not the "hometown airline".

Republic I'm sure is working on a new plan for Midwest, but the hometown thing... that's done.

yeo



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User currently offlineYx302 From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8500 times:

As a YX employee iam still satisfied they way things turned out. If airtran would of taken over we might be in a worse palce or no job. Iam still working and looking forward to the future with Republic and Frontier. YX still flies to more cities out of MKE than anyone and thats not going to change. As far as saying YX isnt a hometown airline anymore because its now owned by Republic in IIND, what about when TPG owned YX. It hasnt been based here in two years. So why now a problem.

User currently offlineVulindlela744 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8394 times:

I don't think Mr. Fornaro is "thumping his chest"!!! I listened to the Q3 conference call and he simply stated that Midwest isn't the same airline. Face it folks.....it is a virtual airline now. It is owned and operated by Republic with their aircraft. Midwest has gotten rid of all their 717's and MD80's. HMMMMM, what do you think has happened to all those 717 and MD80 pilots. Well, I'll tell you. They are outta a job. That's what. All the flying is done by Republic. And to address the plane issue. The largest a/c they have is the E-190 which is hardly a large aircraft. It only has 100 seats and in the winter may have soome range issues going from MKE to the west coast destinations. So we'll see what the future holds. But I wouldn't bet against Airtran.

User currently offlineYeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 882 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8375 times:



Quoting Yx302 (Reply 6):
As far as saying YX isnt a hometown airline anymore because its now owned by Republic in IIND, what about when TPG owned YX. It hasnt been based here in two years. So why now a problem.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but when TPG owned Midwest, the day to day operations were still headquartered in Milwaukee, Howell Ave., wasn't it?

yeo



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User currently offlineYx302 From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8272 times:



Quoting Yeogeo (Reply 8):

Correct me if I'm wrong, but when TPG owned Midwest, the day to day operations were still headquartered in Milwaukee, Howell Ave., wasn't it?

You are correct but thats not the only thing to me that would define an airline as a "hometown airline" There still the largest in MKE and growing, they employ the most in mke of the airlines ,headquarters is still operating just not to the capacity it used to. Maintenace is still being done here and they still contibute to the community. So in my terms i would consider them a "hometown airline". I get what your saying, i just dont think it gives airtran an advantage in any way. Afterall airtran cant be MKEs "hometown airline" ever either, unless they move there HQ here.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23023 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8184 times:



Quoting Vulindlela744 (Reply 7):
Face it folks.....it is a virtual airline now. It is owned and operated by Republic with their aircraft. Midwest has gotten rid of all their 717's and MD80's.

No one disputes this fact. It's the alleged change in public perception that baffles some of us.



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User currently offlineYeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 882 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8164 times:



Quoting Yx302 (Reply 9):
There still the largest in MKE and growing, they employ the most in mke of the airlines ,headquarters is still operating just not to the capacity it used to. Maintenace is still being done here and they still contibute to the community. So in my terms i would consider them a "hometown airline". I get what your saying, i just dont think it gives airtran an advantage in any way. Afterall airtran cant be MKEs "hometown airline" ever either, unless they move there HQ here.

Fair Enough, Yx302!

And for the record, I'm more interested in (and anxiously awaiting) what the brain trust in IND will develop into the New Midwest rather than any old slogans.


yeo



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User currently offlineIAHERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 677 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8146 times:

I remember another airline in the Midwest(MDW) that thumbed its nose at an offer from AirTran Airways. The employees thought they were getting a better deal going with the SWA offer. Where are they today?

IAHERJ



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25281 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8147 times:
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Quoting Yeogeo (Reply 5):
If referring to the article in the Dallas News, I think this talk of bashing and thumping chests is a bit over the top.

If the shoe were on the other foot I don't think Republic would hesitate to point out the competitor is no longer MKE based and therefore not the "hometown airline".

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I can't think what else Mr. Leonard would say.

Quoting Yx302 (Reply 9):
Afterall airtran cant be MKEs "hometown airline" ever either, unless they move there HQ here.

Oh, I dunno. Southwest is claiming to be Denver's "new hometown airline."  Smile

Quoting Yeogeo (Reply 11):
And for the record, I'm more interested in (and anxiously awaiting) what the brain trust in IND will develop into the New Midwest rather than any old slogans.

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User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8116 times:



Quoting Vulindlela744 (Reply 7):
The largest a/c they have is the E-190 which is hardly a large aircraft. It only has 100 seats and in the winter may have soome range issues going from MKE to the west coast destinations. So we'll see what the future holds. But I wouldn't bet against Airtran.

The E190 only has 100 seats, but remember YX operated their 717s with 88 seats all-signature then 99 in the split arrangement. The MD-80s had 121 seats.

So is the 190 really that different?



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25281 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8090 times:
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Quoting Vulindlela744 (Reply 7):
The largest a/c they have is the E-190 which is hardly a large aircraft. It only has 100 seats and in the winter may have soome range issues going from MKE to the west coast destinations.

Republic - as in Frontier/Midwest - has aircraft up to the size of the A320.  confused 

mariner



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User currently offlineQantas777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 484 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7746 times:

If Bedford wants to waste his time and throw his ample liquid reserves into MKE, go ahead. But really he has little shot. Hopefully, they can fold Midwest and focus on F9.

User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25281 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7692 times:
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Quoting Qantas777 (Reply 16):
If Bedford wants to waste his time and throw his ample liquid reserves into MKE, go ahead. But really he has little shot. Hopefully, they can fold Midwest and focus on F9.

Why does he have "little shot"?  confused 

mariner



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User currently offlineJreuschl From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7311 times:

Yes, it is still the hometown airline as long as they keep those cookies!!!  Wink

User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4568 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7227 times:



Quoting Qantas777 (Reply 16):
But really he has little shot.

Really? Last I heard YX was the #1 carrier at MKE and FL was the one trying to move up the ranks with a number of the routes struggling with loads under 80%. FL is the new guy that is having a hard time filling jets on a number of routes. Maybe we can say they are the one with little shot. They are the one with limited expansion opportunities and limited gates for expansion.



Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7186 times:



Quoting IAHERJ (Reply 12):


I remember another airline in the Midwest(MDW) that thumbed its nose at an offer from AirTran Airways. The employees thought they were getting a better deal going with the SWA offer. Where are they today?

I don't recall Air Tran making a bid to buy ATA nor did WN make a bid for ATA either.

ATA got into bankruptcy because of poor mgmt and themselves, WN had nothing to do with it at all.

Alex



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3150 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7120 times:



Quoting Yeogeo (Thread starter):
AirTran's CEO Fornaro is quoted as saying Midwest no longer has the hometown advantage, giving Airtran the opportunity to make inroads in the MKE market

He's stirring up the pot for WN entry into MKE on Nov 1.



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User currently offlineN7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1734 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7083 times:
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Quoting JBo (Reply 14):
The E190 only has 100 seats

Actually Republic's E190's are legally operated with only 99 seats. One seat is permanently blocked out - can't be sold - can't be occupied. Republic does not have a contract with its pilots to fly anything over 99 seats. So until the pilots union and Republic reach an agreement on flying larger planes - the E190 will have a legal configuration of Y99.


User currently offlineKingCavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1306 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6912 times:

If FL had been able to purchase YX, then YX wouldn't have been the "hometown" airline then. It would've been an airline based in Orlando. I don't get Fornaro's point.  Confused


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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4568 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6880 times:

It would have been the airline with the HQ in Orlando and the main hub in ATL. So what would that have made MKE? The red-headed stepchild?  Smile


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
25 MUWarriors : He isn't saying FL will be the "Hometown Airline" but that YX will not be able to call itself that in marketing, losing that distinct advantage in th
26 JohnMKE : Your right. If Republic can be "profitable" and have the lowest ticket prices, YX will continue to domintae the MKE market and other copetitors will
27 Post contains links Indy : Not sure what happened but while #4 was my reply the "Republic has a lower cost structure than AirTran" was not my post. BTW I found out something od
28 MKENut : I'm not sure why you think MKE was going to have traffic growth for 2009. I think almost every airport has seen a decline in traffic. This recession
29 Post contains links Indy : Maybe because you see threads like this touting a staggering 35% increase in service. MKE Sees Staggering 35% Jump In Service! (by Enilria Oct 14 2009
30 FlyPNS1 : But the 35% increase is for January 2010, not 2009.
31 Indy : Most of the increase is already in place. And it just goes to show that you can dump all the seats you want into a market. You aren't going to fill t
32 PHLBOS : IIRC, the bids that IAHERJ was referring to was not to buy TZ outright (only HP's bid was such) but rather either to buy SOME of TZ's assets and/or g
33 Post contains links Cubsrule : That is correct. Wikipedia's history is fairly comprehensive and basically accurate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Trans_Air
34 FlyPNS1 : Not relative to the first half of this year. Many of the new Airtran flights only started in May/June and many of the YX increases are only this fall
35 Indy : With 2/3rds of the year already in the books and the busiest part of the year in the books as well most of the increases ARE in place. And even if th
36 FlyPNS1 : This is simply not true. WN is a big part of that 35% increase and they have yet to fly a single flight to MKE. You need to understand that the 35% n
37 Post contains links MUWarriors : 5 minutes on the Mitchell Airport website yields this: http://www.mitchellairport.com/2009/2009_Aug_Traf.pdf Granted this is through August, but avai
38 Indy : WN will make up less than a 10% increase in flights. That isn't a big part. Most of the flights that will make of the increase over the 12 months hav
39 MKENut : 35% increase after Midwest did a 40% decrease system wide at the end of 2008 beginning of 2009. As it has been said before... part of that 35% increa
40 FlyPNS1 : See the link provided above by MUWarriors. Capacity for the first 8 months at MKE was DOWN 8%, so NO most of the capacity has NOT been added. That is
41 MUWarriors : You're comparing apples to oranges here though. WN will be less than a 10% increase in flights, but will be a higher increase in seats. That's simply
42 Cubsrule : I think that's right. There are people from Lake and even northern Cook Counties who go to MDW to fly WN, and that's a brutal drive. The trouble is t
43 MUWarriors : This is true, but even with 1 lane down in Wisconsin, getting to MKE is a heck of a lot better than through or around Chicago. There is just no good
44 MKENut : I maybe wrong but my guess is Indy wants Republic or AirTran to pay more attention to IND. I think Republic might.... I can see more P2P Midwest/Fron
45 MKENut : I think I-94 has 8 years of construction between MKE and the Illinois State Line. If you think that is bad, just wait for the Zoo Interchange constru
46 Cubsrule : I don't know; it's sort of the opposite situation from a year ago, when the Edens was torn up and almost the entire Tri State was a mess too. The Tri
47 MUWarriors : That thing is going to make the Marquette Interchange construction look like a cake walk (and I lived at Marquette and then the eastside during that
48 Yx302 : Ive heard its just not the same anymore from the public. But when it comes down to it, majority of fliers from mke will pick based on price. And with
49 TVNWZ : I'm the Public. Just got back from round trip to Vegas. Loved the E-190. Others commented that how nice the plane was.
50 Indy : I have no problem with MKE. I think it is a nice airport. I think YX and F9 are good airlines. Just because someone disagrees with a growth idea does
51 Atlwest1 : Indy. You dislike the Airports or the cities? Perhaps you should clarify so people dont misunderstand. IND btw has a great airport love coming into it
52 Indy : Sorry I should clarify it. I was talking about airports. I dislike those because I think they are a nightmare to deal with. They are very prone to de
53 Yeogeo : Well, that IS the truth, after all, especially if you look back five or more years. I, too, have good memories of crab cakes and champagne... but the
54 Post contains images GEnx : Hopefully I'm not veering too far off topic here, but thought I'd include some other (what I thought were) highlights from the FL conference call: 1)
55 Smcmac32msn : Yeah and the Marquette was supposed to clear up traffic problems into AND out of the interchange once its completed. It takes me nearly 1/2 hour from
56 Cubsrule : Isn't that the truth? I can't speak for the Tri-State, as I've been avoiding it, but the Edens is really nice now.
57 Blueman87 : i bet midwest shoved there foot up there A** after saying No to AirTran
58 Post contains links Mariner : I guess the Bucks are happy with the hometown airline: http://www.jsonline.com/business/65827482.html JSOnline: "Bucks, Midwest Airlines expand market
59 YXwatcherMKE : The only people that see YX as a virtual airline are the people on this site. The general public in the MKE metro area still see YX as MKE's hometown
60 Indy : I wonder what percentage of the general traveling public even understand what operated by Republic, Compass, Pinnacle, Comair, etc means? I'd bet onl
61 Mariner : My American in-laws, an older couple, have been visiting from Berrien Springs, Michigan. They booked through United and even though they were told th
62 YXwatcherMKE : Hey Mariner here is one for you, My son just came back from a 8 week trip to New Zealand with his new wife, and was on NZ from AKL to LAX, and loved t
63 Mariner : Glad they had a good time. The reason I told the tale was to reinforce the point that "non-airline" people, which is the majority of the traveling pu
64 N911YX : [quote=YXwatcherMKE,reply=59]I have a feeling that if the APA & the old F/A union can get over their attitudes I would bet that they would get their j
65 LV : So will YX now call itself "Indianapolis' hometown airline"
66 Indy : With their RJ only service to MKE they fit right in with all the other RJ service we have here. So when Hoosiers fly them to MKE they feel right at h
67 YXwatcherMKE : It is 2100 hours Saturday Oct. 24, and I'm listening to the radio as I'm reading the posts and I just heard a YX ad on the darn thing and YX is still
68 LV : Yeah it is sad the way IND has become an RJ city. Pretty much if your not on FL or WN... your on an RJ. I go out of my way to support FL at IND becau
69 Atlwest1 : Hometown Airline in the literal sense means an airline that is based and from a particular city. However with the advent of hubs it means that whereve
70 Cubsrule : When was the last time that FL gave any expansion effort time?
71 Atlwest1 : Very true however if you look at them they have been profitable just about every year except for last year(which truth be told everyone was hurting ba
72 CitrusCritter : I see no reason for FL to stay in the coming bloodbath in MKE beyond some commitment to keep the city at a DAY/CAK type level. If FL is going to go to
73 Cubsrule : There is. That's why I don't see why we should "give MKE time." If it's losing money, FL will go elsewhere - like CitrusCritter, I see IND as the obv
74 YXwatcherMKE : What is it that FL feels that MKE is the city to build there Mid-western hub other that the fact that they lost the bidding war for YX. Personally tha
75 FL787 : Why are you so sure? FL likes to make money and is good at it and if MKE isn't making money why should they stay? I don't see an imminent departure b
76 CWAFlyer : I asked a friend of mine that is losing her job at YX as of NOV3 what the customers in MKE think of the shell game that's going on. She said that it'
77 Atlwest1 : Wouldnt IND provide redundancies geographically that BWI and ATL already cover? If anything if they chose somewhere else to build up, it should be mor
78 Mariner : You may well be right there. And that wider, grander plan could easily be something that none of us are expecting. And - if there is that plan - it m
79 Cubsrule : If IND is redundant, MKE is equally redundant; the two are only 200 miles apart. MKE is a better hub for SEA-BOS, but IND is a better hub for LAX-DCA
80 FL787 : I don't think so. I think IND would provide more of the same type of traffic flow (east/west) as MKE but not really cause any redundancies. Also beca
81 Yeogeo : Ha! Cookies above all! How quickly that would change if something bad happened and got their attention. Human nature is funny. But under normal circu
82 GEnx : Also from the AirTran conference call, CEO Bob Fornaro: "$2 to an airport versus $2 to an airline is a very, very big deal, and that message just doe
83 Mariner : Which may the simple answer, and simple is often the best. But it is also possible that there are "unresolved issues" - such as the Midwest/Delta cod
84 Indy : The fees are pretty high. I read all the IND airport authority board papers (ok I need a life.. I know) and I've seen what they charge for space and
85 CitrusCritter : Didn't seem to be too terrible for Delta with ATL/CVG all these years.
86 Sideflare75 : I sure hope it's not left over anger over being snubbed by YX. That seems like a pretty bad way to run a business. I'm assuming they thought that YX
87 FlyPNS1 : Well, at the time that FL chose MKE, it was probably the best available option. Let's rewind the clock a few years and look at FL's choices for a Mid
88 Indy : We are talking about only 59 miles difference between IND-ATL and CVG-ATL. That is no big deal.
89 CitrusCritter : Precisely; IND could be an excellent alternative for FL. The geography is still pretty good for an east-west hub.
90 SkyguyB727 : If Midwest was already bleeding money at their current fares, why is cutting the fares for Midwest Connect a good thing? From a business perspective,
91 Post contains links Mariner : I don't think they are bleeding money. Republic's Bryan Bedford discussed this in an article in Flight Global in August: http://www.flightglobal.com/
92 SkyguyB727 : There seems to be a strange desperation to keep the Midwest Airlines name and brand going. My city used to be a mainline Midwest city. After Midwest p
93 Post contains links Mainland : You are correct, they do not appear to be bleeding money and have written off a ton on the balance sheet. Further, save for those huge write offs, th
94 Yeogeo : Interesting, Skyguy, and thanks for that account, but the exception to the rule I think. Those with personal connections would rally behind the corpo
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