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USA Today: ... A Fight For The Overheads - Oct 22  
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3625 times:
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http://www.usatoday.com/travel/fligh...2009-10-21-airlines-carryons_N.htm

Just read on the printed edition, and it comes with interesting comments from travelers, and the clear indication that for F/A and travelers, this become a major nightmare in many full flights.

I even consider interesting the idea of charging not to check the bag, but rather to use the overhead as now, security checks took longer, boarding and on time departure on full flights become part of the past, and no one respect the 1 item rule.

Opinions ?


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15831 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3623 times:

Well, the checked bag fees are not, and never were, free money for the airlines. There was always a price to be paid and airline manager who didn't consider it is an idiot.

Edit: Let me add my big kudos to DL for allowing coach pax in the exit rows to board with First Class since they cannot place items under the seat.  thumbsup 

[Edited 2009-10-22 14:06:13]


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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31395 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3584 times:
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Well enforcing size rules at the security checkpoints is only going to make things worse as people who either don't know the new rules or feel they don't apply to them argue about it with the TSA folks, slowing down the processing.

User currently offlineChootie From Germany, joined May 2007, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3524 times:

X cuse me. If what is left of a "legacy" airline, then you folks need to stop the nonsense of adding fares for "x" what ever. No wonder everyone want to take their own home plus more in carry on. STOP THE MADNESSS!!! Either "full-service" or "low-cost" Brand yourselves accordingly., thank you!


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3523 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
Edit: Let me add my big kudos to DL for allowing coach pax in the exit rows to board with First Class since they cannot place items under the seat.

When did that change?

Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):
I even consider interesting the idea of charging not to check the bag, but rather to use the overhead as now, security checks took longer, boarding and on time departure on full flights become part of the past, and no one respect the 1 item rule.

I've thought of - and posted about - this idea before, and I think it's a good one. Airlines should charge per piece over a certain size or weight - perhaps over 35 linear inches or ten pounds - regardless of where the bag is going to travel. Then, we return to the pre-bag fee incentives for checking and carrying on, a system that seemed to work much better.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15831 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3501 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
When did that change?

The first time I experienced it was in June on a NW flight and I should add that it was also applied for those in the bulkhead rows. It may have been that way before and I just never noticed.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3468 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 5):
The first time I experienced it was in June on a NW flight and I should add that it was also applied for those in the bulkhead rows.

Interesting. I've flown NW and DL exit rows and bulkheads (curtain bulkheads) numerous times and never run across this. The only airline I know of that prohibits bags under the seats for exit row pax is AF.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3433 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6):
Interesting. I've flown NW and DL exit rows and bulkheads (curtain bulkheads) numerous times and never run across this. The only airline I know of that prohibits bags under the seats for exit row pax is AF.

I've sat in Delta exit rows dozens of times (if I have to fly in coach, it's going to be in an exit row 90% of the time) and never had an issue with my briefcase going under the seat in front of me.

Delta does allow Zone 1 boarding for those in bulkheads, where there is no underseat storage, which does alleviate any problems there quite a bit.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15831 posts, RR: 27
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3433 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6):
The only airline I know of that prohibits bags under the seats for exit row pax is AF

Well, the issue on the flight I took this summer was that there was no seat in front of me since I was sitting at the L2 door on a 757. Same deal for the bulkhead I had on a NW DC-9. Maybe the policy is different for the overwing exit rows. In fact there was never actually an announcement on the 757 flight, my boarding pass was just marked "Breezeway."



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3403 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 8):
Same deal for the bulkhead I had on a NW DC-9.

Bulkhead passengers on -9s and 32xs may put bags under the F seats, AFAIK.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3403 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 8):

Bulkhead passengers on -9s and 32xs may put bags under the F seats, AFAIK.

It's more of a rule grandfathered in from Delta, where no bulkhead passengers could put stuff under the seat in front of them, since the MD-88s/MD-90s/737s/767s/777s all had full wall-to-ceiling bulkheads; the NW -9s/32xs have the partial ones that come down half-way, allowing access to the seat in front of you.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20335 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3392 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Thread starter):

I even consider interesting the idea of charging not to check the bag, but rather to use the overhead as now, security checks took longer, boarding and on time departure on full flights become part of the past, and no one respect the 1 item rule.

I have an idea.

*1 checked item is free.
*$15 fee for getting a green tag on your size-approved roll-aboard that allows it to be put in the overhead bins
*$10 for getting a blue tag that gets you priority checked baggage handling. Your luggage will be in the first 25% off the aircraft, guaranteed.
*Coats can be stored for free in the overhead bins as long as all green-tagged items are accommodated.
*Medically necessary items, such as canes/crutches, fridge-packs for medicines, etc. get free "green tags," of course.


User currently offlinePWMRamper From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 645 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3390 times:

"Gate-checked bags are usually the last ones loaded into the baggage compartment, the first ones out, and generally the first ones on the (baggage) carousel," flier Brown complains. "There should be an inconvenience penalty for gate-checked bags."


That doesn't seem right...if the bag's loaded into the Pit last, it comes off first at the final destination and therefore is at the bottom of the Offload Bag Cart, which means it's offloaded last.


User currently offlineSurprise From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 133 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3390 times:

I really think this is the one time the government should get involved. Ideally this should be dealt with at the ticket counter however with so many people by passing the counter the security checkpoint is the best location. I have traveled all over the world and never been held up at a checkpoint because someone was arguing about whether or not they could take their bags with them. It's handled quickly and efficiently. When I tried to take a musical instrument to the gate in HKG I was told in no uncertain terms to return to the ticket counter and check it as it was too large. Believe me when I tell you there was no room for discussion. I'm pretty sure everyone agrees the carryon situation is out of control and this is (in my humble opinion) the best way to deal with it. The government is justified because this is a safety issue. Anyone who has been hit in the head by something falling out will most certainly agree. Gate Agents and Flight Attendants everywhere will be grateful.

User currently offlineFlyIGuy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3365 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
I have an idea.

*1 checked item is free.
*$15 fee for getting a green tag on your size-approved roll-aboard that allows it to be put in the overhead bins
*$10 for getting a blue tag that gets you priority checked baggage handling. Your luggage will be in the first 25% off the aircraft, guaranteed.
*Coats can be stored for free in the overhead bins as long as all green-tagged items are accommodated.
*Medically necessary items, such as canes/crutches, fridge-packs for medicines, etc. get free "green tags," of course.

How about telling people to leave the overhead bins open until they are full and not close them like right after they put their 1 peice of luggage in it sideways taking up 3/4ths of the bin when they can stow it wheels out and put 2 more bags in it...That is 1 thing that annoys me, people close them so you assume they are full and then when you need to stow your item it looks like they are all full but alass, you open the bin n your row with 1 little bag in it because the person in the row with you wanted it all to them selves and didnt want to have to move your stuff to get their bag out...

Just my 0.02



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15831 posts, RR: 27
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3365 times:



Quoting PWMRamper (Reply 12):
That doesn't seem right...if the bag's loaded into the Pit last, it comes off first at the final destination and therefore is at the bottom of the Offload Bag Cart, which means it's offloaded last.

But usually aren't they placed on a separate cart to be returned to pax planeside?

Quoting PWMRamper (Reply 12):
flier Brown complains. "There should be an inconvenience penalty for gate-checked bags."

Why? I like gate checking. It gives me flexibility. I don't have to check a bag, I don't have to stress out about how big (not ridiculous just a duffle bag) and I don't have to be that guy standing in the aisle for 20 minutes shoving it in the overhead. I just make sure I don't put anything vital in there so it's no big deal.



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User currently offlineFlyIGuy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3333 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 15):
But usually aren't they placed on a separate cart to be returned to pax planeside?

Thats only express flights that dont have overhead bins at all like crj's...With mainline flights at UA, when the overhead bins are full yourt carryone must be chacked to the cargo hold to the final destination and it can be picked up at the baggage claim area at that final destination...


Just my 0.02



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3328 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 10):
It's more of a rule grandfathered in from Delta, where no bulkhead passengers could put stuff under the seat in front of them, since the MD-88s/MD-90s/737s/767s/777s all had full wall-to-ceiling bulkheads; the NW -9s/32xs have the partial ones that come down half-way, allowing access to the seat in front of you.

But why? Obviously - on NW and on DL alike - if there's a solid bulkhead, the bag has to go up. But if there's a seat in front of me, why shouldn't I put my bag under it, especially in a situation where overhead space is limited?



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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8655 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3328 times:

"The problem has become so pressing since major airlines began imposing fees for the first checked bag on domestic flights in mid-2008 that Congress is considering legislation to limit and standardize carry-on size and ensure enforcement at TSA airport checkpoints. "
I'm gonna laugh my ass off when the public is so fed up that they'll demand that the Government will require every airline to start accepting checked bags free of charge again. I think this nickle&diming will eventually come back to bite the airlines in the form of more government legislation and enforcement.


User currently offlineCm767 From Panama, joined Dec 2004, 655 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2990 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 6):
The only airline I know of that prohibits bags under the seats for exit row pax is AF.

AM also does not allows it, If you ask me all airlines should do the same.



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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5316 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2968 times:

Firstly, the airlines need to enforce a 1 bag rule and have a maximum weight for that carry on.

here in Australia it is 7kg's (roughly 14 pound) and that is it. If it is over or you ahve a 2nd bag it gets checked in. It is the check in agent in the first instance and then finally the gate agents responsibility to check the carry ons.


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2939 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 17):
But why? Obviously - on NW and on DL alike - if there's a solid bulkhead, the bag has to go up. But if there's a seat in front of me, why shouldn't I put my bag under it, especially in a situation where overhead space is limited?

I think you misunderstood my point.

On Delta, those in bulkheads had to put all their bags in the overhead - there was no underseat storage whatsoever. Thus, Delta gave them Zone 1 to alleviate that.

When the NW merger came along, a curveball was thrown in, as NW DC-9s and A32x didn't have a real bulkhead in coach - the only true bulkhead was Row 1. Rather than complicate everything, Delta made it a standard policy across fleets that the first row in coach was Zone 1. On about 80% of the fleet, that means both bags go overhead. On the other 20% (DC-9s and A32x), the bags can go under the seat in front of you with no issues - you still get to board early though. It's more of a catch-all than having two rules going on.


User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4881 posts, RR: 37
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2928 times:

Quoting ANstar (Reply 20):
here in Australia it is 7kg's (roughly 14 pound) and that is it.

Depending on your airline it's not always checked.

And thank goodness for that, I recently travelled with $20,000 worth of camera gear, and there is no way I was checking that in to get smashed to pieces!

So my small backpack was about 1.5kg over the allowance - but well within the size allowances, so that I didn't take up excessive amounts of locker space. And it took me about 10 seconds to put it in the overhead - so I didn't hold everyone else up.

There has to be some reasonable allowances made in these situations, instead of a blanket ruling that is strictly enforced to the detriment of all.

Anyhow, I was flying in J, so I should get dispensation because I paid more than those crowds flying in Y!

Interesting how these complaints all seem to come out of America and its nickle-and-dime legacy carriers... When will they ever learn that their nasty ways will come back to bite them?

[Edited 2009-10-23 17:54:47 by cpd]

User currently offlineDALMD88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2614 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2911 times:



Quoting PWMRamper (Reply 12):
"Gate-checked bags are usually the last ones loaded into the baggage compartment, the first ones out, and generally the first ones on the (baggage) carousel," flier Brown complains. "There should be an inconvenience penalty for gate-checked bags."


That doesn't seem right...if the bag's loaded into the Pit last, it comes off first at the final destination and therefore is at the bottom of the Offload Bag Cart, which means it's offloaded last.

There isn't a bottom. The first off get put in the front of the first cart. Usually in the bag room this cart gets unloaded first.

We really need to put and end to these stupid first bag fees. The incremental revenue they generate does not offset the crappy passenger experience.


User currently offlineDitzyboy From Australia, joined Feb 2008, 723 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2863 times:



Quoting ANstar (Reply 20):
here in Australia it is 7kg's (roughly 14 pound) and that is it. If it is over or you ahve a 2nd bag it gets checked in. It is the check in agent in the first instance and then finally the gate agents responsibility to check the carry ons.

Qantas allow two bags in Business and Economy on domestic jet services, meaning many problems, on Cityflyer flights especially. Under the policy one may bring two 'domestic' size bags (105cm) or one 'international' size bag (115cm). Weight per piece my not exceed 7kg. Flight Attendants do the gate boarding on domestic flights and will often allow two 115cm bags onboard - so much that it has become the norm, sadly.

Many morning 737 are delayed slightly for this reason. There is also many dramas with Economy customers using the bins in Business and baggage handlers closing the holds too early, meaning a customer's bag will not make the flight. This places pressure on the flight attendants to accommodate the bag - somehow, thus causing further delay. Customer refusal to put any bag under the seat in front only makes the issue worse.

http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airl...s/carry-on-baggage/global/en#jump0

Jetstar allow 10kg, but one piece only.


25 Cubsrule : We seemingly got our signals crossed; someone (not you) suggested that bags had to go up on -9s and Airbii. Sorry for the confusion - hopefully, we a
26 YVPHX : I think with majority of airlines charging for checked luggage, there needs to be a size and weight limit imposed for a carry-on. Now that fees apply
27 Falcon84 : That "nickle and diming" adds up to big money that the carriers need right now. It's a few hundred million for the legacies that they would not other
28 BMI727 : ...but it isn't free money. There is a tradeoff that the airlines are making to collect this money.
29 Falcon84 : I'm sure they knew that going in. But if the carry-on limits were enforced at the checkpoints by TSA and airline personnel, the problem would be solv
30 FrmrCAPCADET : Simplest solution: Assign a bin to each seat. If it is your bin and labeled with your seat number someone infringing on your space has to move it. Ver
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