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A VIP Aircraft For New EU President Job?  
User currently offlineBrightcedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1288 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9308 times:

The Lisbon Treaty is slowly passing the remaining hurdles and the EU is gearing up for some important institutional changes such as the more permanent jobs of EU President and High Representative - the latter being a kind of EU Foreign Minister. Of course these two jobs will come along with the institutions one could know as the Presidency or President's Office and the External Action Service.

With more prominent posts like these, wouldn't it be time and maybe more practical for the EU to have a VIP aircraft or two? I'm thinking along the lines of a narrow-body long-range Airbus i.e. A318 or A319 and something with longer legs such as an A330-200.

Also, do any have you have some insight on what high ranking EU officials use for transport nowadays?

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User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3570 posts, RR: 29
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9248 times:

Everything larger than a gulfstream would cause huge problems in public perception. So don't count on it.

Of course, if you wanted to really piss everyone off, lets get an A380  Wink


User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5692 posts, RR: 44
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9127 times:
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Where is the EU President likely to travel to(often) that would not be better served by a private compartment on a high speed train?


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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9330 posts, RR: 29
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9102 times:



Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 1):
Of course, if you wanted to really piss everyone off, lets get an A380 Wink

not as much as a 748i


 Cool

well, it has to be European and that means a Falcon will do but it might very well be a A318 or 319



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User currently offlineBrouAviation From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 985 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9064 times:

It will be Airbus or Dassault, I'd put my money on Airbus, an A319ACJ would do the job well. A330-200 would be possible too, however I didn't know the A330 is available as a private jet. The A319 should be able to reach the US or SE Asia with one fuelstop, seams reasonable to me.

Here in Holland they still fly to Australia and New Zealand in a Fokker jet, poor guys. However I expect an Embraer jet in the future, considering KLC is doing the maintenance and operates Embraers too.



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9330 posts, RR: 29
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9020 times:

The travel is mostly within Europe, there is no need for an 330 and the EU commission has no other purposes for such an aircraft to justify such an expense.

Quoting BrouAviation (Reply 6):
Here in Holland they still fly to Australia and New Zealand in a Fokker jet,

dot they still have the caravans for the Fokkers?  Cool



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User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5692 posts, RR: 44
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9014 times:
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Quoting BrouAviation (Reply 6):
Here in Holland they still fly to Australia and New Zealand in a Fokker jet, poor guys.

Not sure they do actually. IIRC the last official visit I am aware of the party flew to Australia commercially and the F70 was prepositioned to fly them around Aus/NZ.

Cheers



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User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4395 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8811 times:

The Czechs could give back the A319s they got for their Gov if they don't sign.

On the other hand the EU apparatus is tiny, so something Netgear has to offer is sufficient. You know all the EU has less employess than the city of Hamburg?

Of couse, if the Tory's want to make the channel 10000 miles wide, a long range aircraft will be needed to fly Brussels-London - if ever... ex Kingfisher A345?


User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2450 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8493 times:

Give NetJets, Comlux, Privatair, TAG etc etc etc a call.......

Otherwise a Falcon 7X.



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User currently offlineJanmnastami From Italy, joined Apr 2008, 828 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8254 times:



Quoting StealthZ (Reply 3):
Where is the EU President likely to travel to(often) that would not be better served by a private compartment on a high speed train?

HSR doesn't cover all the continent and the president of the European Council can't wait for trains. I suppose a business jet would be enough, the EU doesn't need an A319.


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 8201 times:

Well the EU has a bigger BNP, number of inhabitants then another superpower so I guess 2-3 A380s are in place, plus some big cargo planes to bring in vehicles, special forces, helicopters etc. Lets set up a big "look us us" show  Wink

User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8340 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 8200 times:
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Quoting PanHAM (Reply 5):
Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 1):
Of course, if you wanted to really piss everyone off, lets get an A380 Wink

not as much as a 748i



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 7):
The travel is mostly within Europe, there is no need for an 330 and the EU commission has no other purposes for such an aircraft to justify such an expense.

ITs going to be an Airbus, how could it be anything else. An A330-200, it has to be an airplane of significance, not just another executive jet.


User currently offlineAirNz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7915 times:



Quoting StealthZ (Reply 3):
Where is the EU President likely to travel to(often) that would not be better served by a private compartment on a high speed train?

Hmmm! anywhere in the world. I don't see the US President only needing an Amtrak.


User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4806 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7255 times:



Quoting Brightcedars (Thread starter):
I'm thinking along the lines of a narrow-body long-range Airbus i.e. A318 or A319



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 5):
well, it has to be European and that means a Falcon will do but it might very well be a A318 or 319



Quoting Dano1977 (Reply 9):
If it does go through. Then anything bigger than a A319 will just be extravagant

Hmmn, not that airlines write-off aircraft for simple bird ingestion, but BA might be willing to trade in their A318 for a new one?  Wink Of course, the replacement might take a while.....

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Is this the correct plane?



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User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5414 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7140 times:

I think the EU should set a green example. How about a refurbished de Havilland Dragon Rapide?

Greatly reduced energy consumption and carbon emissions. A British plane that sounds vaguely French, they could reengine it with Daimler diesels, fit Italian upholstery, and serve sherry and strudel.



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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2358 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6944 times:

I think the most important question is what the livery will look like.


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User currently offlineHAMtoSTR From Germany, joined Mar 2008, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6913 times:



Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 21):
I think the most important question is what the livery will look like.

I guess the tail design would look similar to this:


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User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4806 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6879 times:

And a stylized rendition of this for the fuselage.....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sw...European_Union_presidency_2009.svg



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User currently offlineFcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 784 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6185 times:

You think the Dutch FK70 is embarassing? How about the UK's poultry old BAe146's? Of all the G7 countries, the UK is the only one without a respectible dedicated long range VIP transport. But then again, if they used VC-10's again it would be unique!

The EU 'president' would use an A319CJ, not much doubt there.


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9330 posts, RR: 29
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5922 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 17):
ITs going to be an Airbus, how could it be anything else. An A330-200, it has to be an airplane of significance, not just another executive jet.

unlike the US president, the EU president is not an elöected official and he does not have the executive power that lies with the US president. He does not have a 1 Billion $$ travel budget either, so the extravaganza olf 2 747s plus several cargo planes (which the Russians copy) will not be needed. A 330 is too big either and no EU president will have anything with a plush interior like Millde Eastern rulers or the Russian president. Most European nations have biz jets for their executives, the Czech 319s are out of proportion for the size of the country, and the 2 A340s Germany will get next year to replace aging 310s will have the luxury of a sleeping cabin and a shower for the Chancellor since they must arrive fresh at their destinations, The rst of the entourage has normal business and economy seating, probably les luxurious than normal airline style.

In democracies, plush luxury does not fit elected officials.



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8488 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5870 times:



Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 13):
Give NetJets, Comlux, Privatair, TAG etc etc etc a call.......

Really? That's really taking informality to an extreme... any EU president would have a pretty important status, one of the top 10 dignitaries of the world, at least possibly. It just seems like a figurehead of EUROPE -- however powerless -- ought to be given some real equipment. If only for security concerns.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 25):
In democracies, plush luxury does not fit elected officials.

Very true that even the German or USA VIP aircraft are primarily functional, even though they are large. I don't know about the Japanese. Those are still the top 3 economies of the world, or maybe China is next. But that's one way to decide who justifies a VIP jet -- who governs the places that can most easily afford these big jets.


User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5551 times:



Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 14):
How about a refurbished de Havilland Dragon Rapide?

Most excellent suggestion.

Heck , I'd like to find one !!!


User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13012 posts, RR: 100
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5550 times:
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Quoting Keesje (Reply 10):
Lets set up a big "look us us" show

I believe that AirForce 1 actually provides a benefit from the 'look at me' show. So if the EU wants to be serious with an airframe that will 'awe', then they should select a widebody.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 3):

well, it has to be European and that means a Falcon will do but it might very well be a A318 or 319

 checkmark  A 7X would be a pretty sexy airframe, but I have a feeling a larger airframe is needed. I could see a dedicated fleet with a few Falcon 7X's, one or two A319, and one A332. Heck, if Buffet sees a business reason to fly in an 738 (in order to hold meetings during the flight), I could see a government utilizing an A332.

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 1):

Of course, if you wanted to really piss everyone off, lets get an A380

 rotfl  Yea, but if they had three of them in a fleet... hand polished...  Wink It would set an image.

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User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3971 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5497 times:
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It'll take a couple of years until they agree on anything, as usual. Until then, whichever country has the rotating presidency will provide the lift.


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User currently offlineIvo From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5338 times:

There are a some government ACJ flying around Europe.
They can be used by an EU president.

Italy 2, France 2 + 1 A330-200 (soon), Czech 2, Germany 2 + 2 A340-300 (soon),

Other Airbusses:

Spain A310-300 2x, Belgium A330-300 1x(not really a Corporate aircraft).


I think there are more.......


Ivo


25 MEA-707 : The European electorate are extremely sensitive about money wasting EU and will make a fuzz about a shiny and big EU coloured aircraft. The EU doesn't
26 Petertenthije : On long distance the queen and/or ministers fly with a regular (or chartered) KLM flight. The Fokker will then be waiting in Australia / New Zealand
27 KC135TopBoom : Isn't the A-340-8000 still avaiable? I thought it was in flyable storage somewhere in Germany. It has not been flown much and is essentially a 20 year
28 BlueFlyer : Usually, they would travel with a member of the government of whichever country is presiding the council, and said country would provide the means of
29 Australis : Well, i believe the EU president does not need a aircraft for the job. EU president outta be fine with just leasing a bizjet for meetings across the E
30 LTU932 : If you got the cash, anyone can modify you an aircraft for everything. The King of Jordan has a VIP A340, so a VIP A330 should be possible. That bein
31 Panais : Just the perfect argument as to why governments should select planes. The operating expenses of a wide body could be higher, yet we are talking about
32 Rdwootty : am sure it should be called BlairAir Just needs a "BIG" front and of course Four engines, just in case one has a dispute. Male and Female toilets ( eq
33 KC135TopBoom : I think we can eliminate any Boeing product now. We van also throw out the used A-310, too. It will have to be a new or near new airplane. I still th
34 DocLightning : I disagree. It *MUST* be a European manufacturer. Probably an A319CJ, which I'm sure wouldn't attract too much attention. It seems reasonable for the
35 AirNZ : Not to nitpick, but that is actually incorrect.
36 LTU932 : I'm sorry, but that's just overkill. Anything bigger than an A310 for a widebody, or an ACJ for narrowbody is just too much. And I don't know why an
37 R2rho : I think it'll be a while before we see any of this. The Lisbon treaty is yet to be approved, and the figure of EU President will need to get meaningfu
38 Evomutant : Indeed. Presumably PanHAm means "directly elected" by the population at large. Which of course the EU president will not be. But then neither is the
39 KL911 : Just regular C class. In case of Holland that is. why more. Its my tax money.
40 PanHAM : That is exactly what I meant. There still is a difference between the US and the still to be (s)elected EU president. The popular vote in most of the
41 Post contains links N14AZ : A little bit off-topic but I just found a picture of this first A330-300 used as government / military aircraft: http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/view
42 PanHAM : with 3 Falcons and 4 Embraers serving a VIP role, why does a country like Belgium need an 330 on top of that?
43 Post contains links N14AZ : To replace their two A310s. Belgium: Government Leases 1 A330 To Replace A310 (by Bralo20 Aug 19 2009 in Military Aviation & Space Flight) Best regar
44 PanHAM : My question was a bit on the ironic side. Belgium needs to swap UN / NATO troops occasionally, an agreement with a commercial EU carrier would serve t
45 BrightCedars : Wonder if we could imagine that this Brussels based jet could have interchangeable tail stickers for Belgium and EU (and why not Flanders and the rest
46 Post contains links and images N14AZ : Funny, before they re-painted this aircraft for the Belgian Air Force it had already a stylistic EU flag ... View Large View MediumPhoto © Morri
47 LifelinerOne : As our beloved Prime Minister Balkenende is currently on the short-list to becoming the first EU President, some more news about this job was publishe
48 Mortyman : I say, let's bring back the Concorde -- On a more serious note, I'm thinking 2 A380's or A340's, escorted by 6 Eurofighters, 1 Awacs and 2 A400M's ( t
49 Evomutant : My read on it is that the president is going to be a pretty marginal player. Chairing summits and such. Actual policy and stuff like that is still goi
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