Brightcedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1288 posts, RR: 2 Posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9308 times:
The Lisbon Treaty is slowly passing the remaining hurdles and the EU is gearing up for some important institutional changes such as the more permanent jobs of EU President and High Representative - the latter being a kind of EU Foreign Minister. Of course these two jobs will come along with the institutions one could know as the Presidency or President's Office and the External Action Service.
With more prominent posts like these, wouldn't it be time and maybe more practical for the EU to have a VIP aircraft or two? I'm thinking along the lines of a narrow-body long-range Airbus i.e. A318 or A319 and something with longer legs such as an A330-200.
Also, do any have you have some insight on what high ranking EU officials use for transport nowadays?
BrouAviation From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 985 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9064 times:
It will be Airbus or Dassault, I'd put my money on Airbus, an A319ACJ would do the job well. A330-200 would be possible too, however I didn't know the A330 is available as a private jet. The A319 should be able to reach the US or SE Asia with one fuelstop, seams reasonable to me.
Here in Holland they still fly to Australia and New Zealand in a Fokker jet, poor guys. However I expect an Embraer jet in the future, considering KLC is doing the maintenance and operates Embraers too.
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Keesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 8201 times:
Well the EU has a bigger BNP, number of inhabitants then another superpower so I guess 2-3 A380s are in place, plus some big cargo planes to bring in vehicles, special forces, helicopters etc. Lets set up a big "look us us" show
Fcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 784 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6185 times:
You think the Dutch FK70 is embarassing? How about the UK's poultry old BAe146's? Of all the G7 countries, the UK is the only one without a respectible dedicated long range VIP transport. But then again, if they used VC-10's again it would be unique!
The EU 'president' would use an A319CJ, not much doubt there.
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9330 posts, RR: 29
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5922 times:
Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 17): ITs going to be an Airbus, how could it be anything else. An A330-200, it has to be an airplane of significance, not just another executive jet.
unlike the US president, the EU president is not an elöected official and he does not have the executive power that lies with the US president. He does not have a 1 Billion $$ travel budget either, so the extravaganza olf 2 747s plus several cargo planes (which the Russians copy) will not be needed. A 330 is too big either and no EU president will have anything with a plush interior like Millde Eastern rulers or the Russian president. Most European nations have biz jets for their executives, the Czech 319s are out of proportion for the size of the country, and the 2 A340s Germany will get next year to replace aging 310s will have the luxury of a sleeping cabin and a shower for the Chancellor since they must arrive fresh at their destinations, The rst of the entourage has normal business and economy seating, probably les luxurious than normal airline style.
In democracies, plush luxury does not fit elected officials.
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Flighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8488 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5870 times:
Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 13): Give NetJets, Comlux, Privatair, TAG etc etc etc a call.......
Really? That's really taking informality to an extreme... any EU president would have a pretty important status, one of the top 10 dignitaries of the world, at least possibly. It just seems like a figurehead of EUROPE -- however powerless -- ought to be given some real equipment. If only for security concerns.
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 25): In democracies, plush luxury does not fit elected officials.
Very true that even the German or USA VIP aircraft are primarily functional, even though they are large. I don't know about the Japanese. Those are still the top 3 economies of the world, or maybe China is next. But that's one way to decide who justifies a VIP jet -- who governs the places that can most easily afford these big jets.
I believe that AirForce 1 actually provides a benefit from the 'look at me' show. So if the EU wants to be serious with an airframe that will 'awe', then they should select a widebody.
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 3):
well, it has to be European and that means a Falcon will do but it might very well be a A318 or 319
A 7X would be a pretty sexy airframe, but I have a feeling a larger airframe is needed. I could see a dedicated fleet with a few Falcon 7X's, one or two A319, and one A332. Heck, if Buffet sees a business reason to fly in an 738 (in order to hold meetings during the flight), I could see a government utilizing an A332.
Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 1):
Of course, if you wanted to really piss everyone off, lets get an A380
Yea, but if they had three of them in a fleet... hand polished... It would set an image.
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