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United Flight 1/2 ORD-HNL-ORD 744?  
User currently offlineDc10rules From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 99 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10372 times:

I was checking into flying to HNL after the holidays and noticed the above flights changed from 772 equipment to 744. I am curious because UA domestic 777 seats more than the 747 (I am pretty sure anyway). That flight has always been full when I have been on it. Why the change? Not complaining of course!

Cheers!

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User currently offlineN801NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 744 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10368 times:

The flight is operating with the 744 for the busy holiday season. 744 service begins on 12/17/09 and ends 01/04/10. The 777 returns on Jan. 5, 2010, according to the UA Timetable.

User currently offlineYeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 890 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10271 times:



Quoting N801NW (Reply 1):
744 service begins on 12/17/09 and ends 01/04/10. The 777 returns on Jan. 5, 2010, according to the UA Timetable.

OAG confirms this, but adds that the SAT/SUN departures are slightly different from the weekdays.

Quoting Dc10rules (Thread starter):
I am curious because UA domestic 777 seats more than the 747 (I am pretty sure anyway). That flight has always been full when I have been on it. Why the change?

According to the UA site the 747-400 carries 347 and the "North America Configuration 1" 777's carry 348, so you are correct by one! The big difference is the amount of premium seats: the 747-4's have 14 F and 73 J, whereas the 777's have only 36 F. Seems sensible to cater to premium payers at that time of year.

I gotta say the title of the thread is a bit confusing... If you still have time to edit, may I suggest "UA flights 1 & 2...." instead of "UA flight 1/2". I read it as "one half". Got my attention though!

yeo



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User currently offlineYeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 890 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10203 times:

Incidentally, does anyone out there know what happens to those North American-configured 777's during that 2+ weeks they're taken off the HNL duty?

(just curious)
yeo



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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10119 times:



Quoting Yeogeo (Reply 2):

According to the UA site the 747-400 carries 347 and the "North America Configuration 1" 777's carry 348, so you are correct by one!

According to seatguru.com, one version of the 744 seats 347 and the other seats 374.



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User currently offlineDC8FanJet From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9922 times:



Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 4):
According to seatguru.com, one version of the 744 seats 347 and the other seats 374

the 744's in regular scheduled service all have 374. only N187UA isn't converted, it
is running military charters.


User currently offlineScorpy From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 401 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9810 times:

Probably this isn't for capacity, since the international 744 is similar in terms of capacity to the 777 domestic, but rather there are only 6 of the domestic 777 at UA, One is probably due for heavy MX, or painting (they are all in the battleship grey colour).

User currently offlineYeogeo From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 890 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9810 times:

Can't explain the discrepancy... Here's the UA site:

http://www.united.com/page/article/0,6867,3071,00.html

yeo



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User currently offlineUA76Heavy From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9218 times:

Interesting, you can even purchase J class seats. The seat map shows they're the flat bed seats.

User currently offlineAZNCSA4QF744ER From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 696 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8680 times:



Quoting Yeogeo (Reply 2):
According to the UA site the 747-400 carries 347 and the "North America Configuration 1" 777's carry 348, so you are correct by one! The big difference is the amount of premium seats: the 747-4's have 14 F and 73 J, whereas the 777's have only 36 F. Seems sensible to cater to premium payers at that time of year.

UA 1/2 will be operate on the ITPE configuration a/c. 12F 52C 310Y = 374 seats

Virus the US configuration on the B777 36F 312Y = 348 seats

Quoting Yeogeo (Reply 7):
Can't explain the discrepancy... Here's the UA site:

The website hasn't update to the new seat map yet. Only one a/c (N187UA) in old configuration 14F 73C 260Y. Sadly, this a/c will soon be pulled from the fleet.


User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1449 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8077 times:

I did a mileage run on UA's domestic 777 yesterday, SFO-IAD-SFO. I can't remember what the registration number on it was but it was pretty beat up. I was under the impression even those have PTVs but I guess I was wrong. All in all, took a total of exactly 12 hours from wheels-up at SFO to touchdown at SFO which earned me 6048 miles and most importantly, Star Alliance Gold for around $200.


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15828 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8033 times:



Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 10):
I did a mileage run on UA's domestic 777 yesterday, SFO-IAD-SFO. I can't remember what the registration number on it was but it was pretty beat up.

Those are some of the oldest 777s in the world. I am a bit surprised that you got the domestic ones. I think that usually UA's domestic widebody flights are repositioning for the international birds.



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User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1449 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7985 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 11):
Those are some of the oldest 777s in the world. I am a bit surprised that you got the domestic ones. I think that usually UA's domestic widebody flights are repositioning for the international birds.

They have the 6 that only do domestic and I was unlucky enough to get one on both flights. Both legs were packed to the brim too. The flight number on the outbound was continuing on to CDG and I was thinking it'd be awful being a CDG-bound pax if the plane was continuing on.



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User currently offlineDariusBieber From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7865 times:

So, these United B747s have PTVs, but won't include any hot meals on the 8+ hour journey?


Darius Bieber
User currently offlineAZNCSA4QF744ER From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 696 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7537 times:



Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 10):
I did a mileage run on UA's domestic 777 yesterday, SFO-IAD-SFO. I can't remember what the registration number on it was but it was pretty beat up.

Ship: 2511

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 11):
I think that usually UA's domestic widebody flights are repositioning for the international birds.

Nope, UA914/24OCT is a schedule B77A (domestic config) aircraft.

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 12):
They have the 6 that only do domestic and I was unlucky enough to get one on both flights. Both legs were packed to the brim too. The flight number on the outbound was continuing on to CDG and I was thinking it'd be awful being a CDG-bound pax if the plane was continuing on.

UA914 SFOIADCDG with equipment change from B77A to B77C in IAD for CDG sector.

Quoting DariusBieber (Reply 13):
So, these United B747s have PTVs, but won't include any hot meals on the 8+ hour journey?

BOB! No free meal on domestic flight.


User currently offlineFlylku From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7328 times:

Were the high density 777s (two class config) put into service when the high density 747-200s were taken out of service? I was on one of those (747 high density) back in about 1998 from IAD to DEN. It was a two class configuration I believe. I was in coach and sat next to door 1R (I think that is the door: main deck, 1st door, right side). Would normally have been the front of J.

Also, I thought the high density 777s were almost exclusively used on Hawaii routes; was on one a few years back from ORD to HNL.



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User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1449 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7319 times:



Quoting AZNCSA4QF744ER (Reply 14):
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Question, any idea why when I tried to make my booking on OCT23rd, the UA website was showing UA 975 departing IAD at 5:40PM, a 777 but when I actually made the booking later in the day, it was on UA915 departing at 5:25PM. I am guessing there couldn't have been to 777 flying IAD-SFO withing 15 minutes of each other.



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User currently offlineDaron4000 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7268 times:



Quoting Flylku (Reply 15):
Were the high density 777s (two class config) put into service when the high density 747-200s were taken out of service? I was on one of those (747 high density) back in about 1998 from IAD to DEN. It was a two class configuration I believe. I was in coach and sat next to door 1R (I think that is the door: main deck, 1st door, right side). Would normally have been the front of J.

Also, I thought the high density 777s were almost exclusively used on Hawaii routes; was on one a few years back from ORD to HNL.

I believe you were probably on a soon-to-be retired 747-100. These were 2-class birds that featured (old) domestic F seating in the nose and small upper deck (with only 3 windows). The rest of the plane were coach and had a huge density. They were retired around the same time but slightly earlier than the 747-200's, which featured international cabins that were also dated (i.e. 42 inch pitch in C I believe). The high density 777s are used mainly to HNL and typically operate ORD-HNL-ORD, ORD-OGG-KOA-ORD, SFO-HNL and a few others, such as the SFO-ORD redeye.


User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7069 times:



Quoting DariusBieber (Reply 13):
So, these United B747s have PTVs,

Only in F and C. No PTV's in Y.



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User currently offlineUnitedFA07 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6973 times:

The 777XA (domestic) does fly out of IAD to both SFO and LAX. NOT a fun bird to work in Economy!!!

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User currently offlineAZNCSA4QF744ER From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 696 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6852 times:



Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 16):
Question, any idea why when I tried to make my booking on OCT23rd, the UA website was showing UA 975 departing IAD at 5:40PM, a 777 but when I actually made the booking later in the day, it was on UA915 departing at 5:25PM. I am guessing there couldn't have been to 777 flying IAD-SFO withing 15 minutes of each other.

Your guess is correct.

UA975/23OCT IADSFO operated on B77A (ship: 2515)
UA915/23OCT IADSFO operated on A320 (ship: 4635)


User currently offlineFlyLKU From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5844 times:



Quoting Boston92 (Reply 18):
I believe you were probably on a soon-to-be retired 747-100. These were 2-class birds that featured (old) domestic F seating in the nose and small upper deck (with only 3 windows).

I think you are correct.



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User currently offlineDC8FanJet From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5558 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 11):
Those are some of the oldest 777s in the world

Actually, not true. N211UA-N215UA came well into the 777 deliveries, and were
"purpose built" for the domestic & mainland-Hawaii markets.

They are, however, getting a lot of hours, as they are in the air almost constantly.


User currently offlineUnited1P From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5512 times:



Quoting UnitedFA07 (Reply 19):

I don't think that there are any scheduled 77A's between LAX and IAD, only 77C's.



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User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3538 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks ago) and read 5337 times:



Quoting Yeogeo (Reply 3):
Incidentally, does anyone out there know what happens to those North American-configured 777's during that 2+ weeks they're taken off the HNL duty?

Probably for some charters - college football bowl games, military, and others. Christmas/New Years is a big charter season.



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25 UA772IAD : They'll be flying other domestic hub-hub/Hawaii flights. Probably in MX as well. CDG is served by an int'l configured aircraft. Don't forget N210UA R
26 USAirALB : True, 867 is INTL.. when I flew it it came from SAO.
27 United1P : There is also 946/947 LAX-IAD-AMS-IAD-LAX, all flown by 77C.
28 ORDnHKG : Incorrect, those 2 class 777 are all built in 2000, so all of them are 9 years old, about to do the first D check. The oldest one are those that fly
29 Post contains images Viscount724 : As far as I know, all UA 747-100s were built with 10 upper deck windows per side, and it seems to be confirmed from A.net photos. A couple of early 1
30 Post contains images LAXintl : No most early built -100s had the 3 windows(some even only 2), including several flown by United.
31 United1 : Most of the early build 747-100s did indeed have only 3 upper deck windows however I believe UA had their 747-122s outfitted with 10 windows on the u
32 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : I assume the early-build 747-100s factory-delivered to UA were converted from 3 windows to 10 at some fairly early stage. The two aircraft in Reply 2
33 777gk : CO and UA had 7 extra windows cut into each side of their 747-100s around 1971 or thereabouts. The 747-200 was entering service at the time with 10 wi
34 777gk : On second read I have to say it was only CO that had the windows added so early. CO's original batch left the fleet in 1974 and they had the extra win
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