CVG2LGA From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 590 posts, RR: 1 Posted (3 years 7 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1874 times:
My friend was telling me this morning that the service road that leads to the freight area near Fedex, UPS and 30L & 30R has been moved further from the field and a new fence installed. Can anyone tell us why? This used to be a great spotting approach.
Thanks for the info
Tchau
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Pnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2046 posts, RR: 12 Reply 4, posted (3 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 1715 times:
That is a routine thing that seems to be happening as security as airports is ever increasingly tightened. Some things were done immediately and less urgent ones have been scheduled and done gradually when maintenance was to take place, or funds made available. Seems spotters are being moved further and further away, which is too bad because the additional security is not really aimed at them.
I don't know this particular field as I have only flown there once. But also as engines have gotten bigger and more thrust and therefore more jet blast, service roads have also been moved further from runways. The whalejet with its larger wing span and engines that are further out from the fuselage have also necessitated service roads and structures to be moved further from the taxiways and runways.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21242 posts, RR: 19 Reply 5, posted (3 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 1715 times:
Quoting Pilotpip (Reply 3):
Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 1):
May have something to do with the rumored Chineese cargo hub perhaps?
Bingo.
The article in the Post this morning made it sound like the Chinese cargo hub is in danger - of course, I take most things the Post writes with a grain of salt.
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Pilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3082 posts, RR: 12 Reply 6, posted (3 years 7 months 16 hours ago) and read 1629 times:
I'm sure it is with everything else in this economy. However it will still be built and the airport will then have to raise fees to finance it.
Worst case it might lure some 121 cargo from companies like ATI. Haith is really gouging on the cargo ramp with is why ATI moved to the pad just east of the East Terminal (oddly enough, the original location of the cargo ramp).
The article in the Post this morning made it sound like the Chinese cargo hub is in danger - of course, I take most things the Post writes with a grain of salt.
Your are talking about the St Louis Post-Disgrace, right?
Steex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1426 posts, RR: 9 Reply 8, posted (3 years 7 months 13 hours ago) and read 1529 times:
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 5):
The article in the Post this morning made it sound like the Chinese cargo hub is in danger - of course, I take most things the Post writes with a grain of salt.
I saw a presentation on the Chinese cargo hub at a seminar recently and, unfortunately, only came away with questions about why the Chinese would ever locate it at STL. Without going into detail, I can understand why it would be in trouble based on the information presented there.
Steex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1426 posts, RR: 9 Reply 10, posted (3 years 7 months 10 hours ago) and read 1467 times:
Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 9): - Would that be a single cargo carrier out of China or a group operating a cargo hub that is HQ'd in China?
At this point, that is very undefined. Essentially, STL has been pitching to the Chinese government that STL would be a good place for cargo service from one of the Chinese carriers (given typical government influence in China, presumably the government would choose a carrier).
STL is attempting to play to the fact that mainline China carriers (so eliminate CX, CI, and BR) have very little market share flying cargo between the midwest and China. However, they also have to try to convince the Chinese government and freight forwarders that there is some benefit to using STL when the vast majority of the freight they're attempting to target is actually destined to/from Chicago, Atlanta, and Dallas (among others). As such, they would not only be competing against those cities (particularly ORD), but other midwestern airports - including BLV just across the river - that could serve the same role.
It should also be noted that the term "hub" is being very loosely in the sense of an airline hub. The presentation I saw indicated that the STL group realizes that demand for daily services does not exist, and also that St. Louis does not generate enough cargo for the return flight to China. As such, they have shifted their focus to obtaining a triangle or tag-on involving LAX. So by "hub," they mean a twice weekly flight through LAX coming in and all of the cargo leaving by truck, with the STL folks specifically targeting cargo trucking to/from the Chicago, Atlanta, and Dallas markets.
PC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2238 posts, RR: 5 Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1377 times:
Quoting Pilotpip (Reply 3): Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 1):
May have something to do with the rumored Chineese cargo hub perhaps?
Bingo.
No. From what I hear, the localizer antenna for 12L is being relocated further east.
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MoMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 4 Reply 12, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1364 times:
Quoting Steex (Reply 10): It should also be noted that the term "hub" is being very loosely in the sense of an airline hub. The presentation I saw indicated that the STL group realizes that demand for daily services does not exist, and also that St. Louis does not generate enough cargo for the return flight to China. As such, they have shifted their focus to obtaining a triangle or tag-on involving LAX. So by "hub," they mean a twice weekly flight through LAX coming in and all of the cargo leaving by truck, with the STL folks specifically targeting cargo trucking to/from the Chicago, Atlanta, and Dallas markets.
Thanks, pretty much what I expected. I would put the STL Chinese-hub as DOA unless the City gives the carriers very cheap landing fees, and with cheap or no landing fees, there is little benefit to the city to have the station except for ancillary services.
Not only will competition be steep, there are other airports with lesser fees equally suited to play a midwestern cargo hub. I can even see how Memphis/Louisville would be a better choice to tie in with the other major air cargo carriers.
MSNDC9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1351 times:
Quoting CVG2LGA (Thread starter): My friend was telling me this morning that the service road that leads to the freight area near Fedex, UPS and 30L & 30R has been moved further from the field and a new fence installed. Can anyone tell us why? This used to be a great spotting approach.
Well the road is within the runway safety area of both runways.
CVG2LGA From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 590 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1323 times:
Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 11): No. From what I hear, the localizer antenna for 12L is being relocated further east.
That makes the most sense. Thanks for the reply!
As for the China cargo hub. I'll believe it when it happens. Thanks everyone for your help.
Tchau
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They don't call em' emergencies anymore. They call em' Patronies.
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14338 posts, RR: 26 Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1295 times:
Quoting CVG2LGA (Reply 14): As for the China cargo hub. I'll believe it when it happens.
That is about my thinking on it too.
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FlyBoy84 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 364 posts, RR: 5 Reply 16, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1220 times:
If it's the road I think you're talking about, that's the one that extends north from Brown Road at Natural Bridge; it's James S. McDonnell Boulevard!
IIRC, this was planned long before any talk of a Chinese cargo hub! I thought it was part of the masterplan, but I could be wrong!
Penguinflies From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 975 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1120 times:
I think it's a redesign of the approach for both 30L and 30R. Between I-170, you can see additional poles and what-not that are going to be replaced on the structures for the 30R lighting. Before the AA pullout, AA was going to build a new MX hangar near Signature fbo and demolish their existing hangar near runway 29. All plans are put on hold after the 2001, now the recession. Not sure why the airport continued with the expansion of Mcdonnell between Brown and I170 access.
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