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Could BLI - JFK Work?  
User currently offlineYXXMIKE From Canada, joined Apr 2008, 310 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2085 times:

Was curious if B6 would ever consider flying BLI - JFK to take traffic away from SEA & YVR? Thoughts? Also does anyone know how AS is doing at BLI with their LAS service?

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User currently offlineNYC-AIR From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2040 times:

Interesting. I'm surprised there aren't any majors in there actually. SLC or DEN would make for great connections to the majority of the country.

User currently offlineCGKings317 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 306 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2040 times:
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A B6 BLI-JFK route would be unlikely considering:

A. QX offers multiple DH-4 BLI-SEA flights a day, connecting BLIers to JFK on DL or EWR on AS.
B. B6 would not want to serve two airports 'close' together UNLESS it has been shown that the services to the nearby airport would not significantly hinder performance to the incumbent airport (ie B6's LAX service likely did not cause material harm on its incumbent LGB ops). B6 does well on JFK-SEA, but I am highly doubtful that there is enough people in the BLI catchment area to warrant a stand-alone flight, even seasonally or at less-than-daily levels.

With respect to the AS BLI-LAS service, word has it on that it is doing well and many times has been sold out, but that is based strictly on hearsay.
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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1999 times:
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I would imagine it could be possible. But in this economy, I don't think any airlines would be willing to try...especially if there are better service opportunities out of SEA or YVR as CGKings317 pointed out.

But I would think the fact that Skybus is tried eas-west service and was fairly successful until fuel prices went through the stratosphere.

I am pretty confident we'll see something new out of BLI when the economy recovers.


User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1981 times:

SkyWest did offer BLI-SLC service as Delta Connection up until about 2 years ago. Route was cut due to poor performance.

Quoting NYC-AIR (Reply 1):
SLC or DEN would make for great connections to the majority of the country.




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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5050 posts, RR: 28
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1911 times:

That is really a tough one. BLI is indeed a good market, but I can't see longer hauls like JFK being too appealing. The only reason is, that after a 4-5 hour flight, the last thing I would want to do is drive another 2-3 hours. I would think DEN would be a decent market, or even Texas routes. Anything further might be tough. I could be wrong, but I am trying to think like a passenger.

I live in Seattle, and I can't find myself driving up to BLI to fly to LAS on G4. The savings are not there for me to warrant that kind of trip. If G4 were to get into BFI, you bet your sweet MD-80 I would be taking G4.



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User currently offlineThreeIfByAir From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 676 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1853 times:

Everything depends on the CAD-USD exchange rate because local American traffic would be minimal.

First, I don't think JFK is a top destination from YVR (does Canada publish some sort of data on this?). Second, long thin routes like BLI-JFK are not easily profitable. I suspect B6 could more profitably deploy the 1/2 day's worth of A320 to a better route. It is all about the opportunity cost - even if this would make money (which I highly doubt), B6 can probably make more in other places.

There is basically no business traffic on the route - BLI has nothing of economic significance that generates business travel like SEA or YVR. All of Whatcom County has only 166,000 people. Skagit County has only 102,000 people. South of there, most people will drive to SEA. Canadians will be almost exclusively leisure passengers who want to save a bit with the CAD-USD exchange rate being favorable (right now, of course). So, you have a sub 300k primary catchment area plus some exchange rate sensitive leisure travelers who have to fight through whan can be a terribly long border crossing wait at times.


User currently offlineYXXMIKE From Canada, joined Apr 2008, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1813 times:



Quoting ThreeIfByAir (Reply 6):
Canadians will be almost exclusively leisure passengers who want to save a bit with the CAD-USD exchange rate being favorable (right now, of course)

Hah, have you ever been to greater Vancouver? There is a huge amount of business travel. I asked the question because YVR - JFK is typically a very expensive route to fly as there is really only two direct flights and the times aren't very appealing.

Any thoughts on a possible service from WN out of BLI or is it also too close to SEA for their liking?

With the large growth over the past 5 years in south western British Columbia I've always thought that BLI could easily become a very attractive offering for more clients. With the obvious border issues being a problem an offering to a major destination like JFK or DEN might attract business travelers that already have nexus. I'm actually rather surprised that there hasn't been any other flights going into BLI for the Olympics.


User currently offlineYVPHX From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1767 times:



Quoting YXXMIKE (Reply 7):


Any thoughts on a possible service from WN out of BLI or is it also too close to SEA for their liking?


I actually talked to a WN pilot about that shortly after G4 started service from BLI to IWA. he said that not only would it have to sustain a profit (Duh) but WN's motto of not serving only one destination from that city would have to apply. He agreed there is plenty of Canadians who come down during the winter months (snowbirds), but it must sustain a profit consistently and be able to compete with G4's incredible fares they offer.

Ultimately, I'd love to see WN in BLI. I used to fly into there every 3 months or so until I started working for the airlines. Its very convenient being so close to Canada, and avoiding their taxes.


User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1618 times:



Quoting YVPHX (Reply 8):
WN's motto of not serving only one destination from that city would have to apply.

How long did he say that? That's a load of BS now, as MSP was started with only MDW.



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User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1525 times:



Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 9):
How long did he say that? That's a load of BS now, as MSP was started with only MDW.

Well i am sure it was WNs plan from the get go to serve MSP from a variety of cities. They just started from only one. Whereas is guess he felt BLI could not sustain service from, say, LAS, OAK, PHX, DEN at same time. IDK if that's rue though.



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User currently offlineMogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1490 times:

Dunno why NYC-YVR is so severely underserved. You can either choose this freaking early 7am departure out of EWR on a tiny A319, or take the spanking-new 77W with Cathay but arrive at 1:40am !!!  Embarrassment

And sadly, the various 1-stop connections aren't any cheaper either.

But then, I still wouldn't use BLI as an alternative. It's really far away (plus border control) to make it an attractive option. And BLI is also very north within the larger Seattle region, so its catchment area is definitely limited.

Using BLI as an alternative for Vancouver is like using Scranton airport for New York City.


User currently offlineYXXMIKE From Canada, joined Apr 2008, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1395 times:



Quoting MogandoCI (Reply 11):
Dunno why NYC-YVR is so severely underserved. You can either choose this freaking early 7am departure out of EWR on a tiny A319, or take the spanking-new 77W with Cathay but arrive at 1:40am !!!

Basically my reason for starting this thread!

Again, with the price points out of YVR being very high and departure times a tad on the brutal side I was just very curious if a 3 x weekly service into NYC could work from BLI, maybe if even during the summer months?


User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1296 times:

I find that any USA-YVR flights are pricey. It costs an arm and a leg to get from MCO/DAB/JAX to YVR.


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25311 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1257 times:



Quoting MogandoCI (Reply 11):
Dunno why NYC-YVR is so severely underserved. You can either choose this freaking early 7am departure out of EWR on a tiny A319, or take the spanking-new 77W with Cathay but arrive at 1:40am

AC's flight leaves early as it's intended to connect to their YVR-Asia flights. And the CX schedule is intended mainly for JFK-HKG and YVR-HKG passengers who prefer an overnight flight. JFK-YVR 5th freedom traffic isn't CX's primary market on that flight.

The fact that there are no other direct flights is a good indication that the market is too small to sujpport them, especially with numerous connecting options. And many O&D passengers to/from NYC probably prefer to use more convenient LGA which they can do on dozens of daily connections via many connecting hubs (YYZ/YUL/SEA/DEN/ORD/MSP/DTW/SLC etc.)


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